Can Christianity survive without the Pope?

[LittleLambofJesus]

Even the EO survive because there is a Pope even if they do not recognize the Pope, for there is illness in the EO - if there were no Pope, the EO would finish their devolvement into chaos with all others.

If the Rock, Peter and the Papacy, ceases to be, then the Church of Christ which is built on it also ceases to be, for then the Church falls into the gates of hades.

I will not be contnuing in this thread - I simply saw it and came to vote, saw the comment and felt the correct reply needed to be made.

Thank you for your input tlf.
I will let the EO respond to that......

 

[alphonsus12]

Isn't the real point to this that we could--in theory--unite around the pope BUT we could just as easily unite around any one of a number of other persons?

There is nothing unique about the pope other than that the Papacy has overseen (caused?) more splits, schisms, and divisions in Christ's church than any other leadership post in Christendom. That track record is not much of a recommendation when it comes to church unity.

Patently false. The last time there was even a minor split within the Catholic Church, where persons were caused to question the authority of the Church because of doctrinal issues was Vatican II, and that was a minor schism at most. On the other hand an evangelical Protestant friend of mine left 4 Churches in as many years, joining new churches that split off from the previous one because of doctrinal grievances with the head pastor. There is an evangelical church in my area that has had every church plant associated with it break off from the original church, and each other because of doctrinal differences. Heck look at the Presbyterian Church, there are numerous divisions.

 

[prodromos]

Thank you for your input tlf.
I will let the EO respond to that......

Photini already gave the only response needed in post 17. Nothing more needs to be said as the post by TLF was nothing more than her unsubstantiated opinion. I don't understand why you even bumped her post.

John

 

[Montalban]

Thank you for your input tlf.
I will let the EO respond to that......

TLF has already made her statement and then said she's not going to discuss it. I see no point in discussing it when she's not going to discuss it.

 

[Rick Otto]

quote=alphonsus12;Patently false. The last time there was even a minor split within the Catholic Church, where persons were caused to question the authority of the Church because of doctrinal issues was Vatican II, and that was a minor schism at most.

Interesting perspective on "minor".

On the other hand an evangelical Protestant friend of mine left 4 Churches in as many years, joining new churches that split off from the previous one because of doctrinal grievances with the head pastor.

Oh yeah, I think I read about that in USA Today & heard the coverage on CNN. Definitely made Vatican II seem like a speed bump by comparison.
Such a tragedy about that poor Protestant fellow.

There is an evangelical church in my area that has had every church plant associated with it break off from the original church, and each other because of doctrinal differences. Heck look at the Presbyterian Church, there are numerous divisions.

All united in religious freedom of expression.

Syllabus of Errors

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The Syllabus of Errors (Latin: Syllabus Errorum) was a document issued by Holy See under Pope Pius IX on December 8, 1864, Feast of the Immaculate Conception, on the same day as the Pope's encyclical Quanta Cura. It was very controversial in its time and remains so to this day, because it condemned concepts such as freedom of religion and the separation of church and state.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

There is only one infallable and that is God himself. So therfore the interpreter of scripture lays not in man but in the Holy Spirit.

But the Holy Spirit has to speak thru men also correct?

 

[Anglian]

Dear LLOJ,

Another thread raised from the dead

Nice to see Rick's name, I miss that guy.

peace,

Anglian

 

[Sphinx777]

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[laconicstudent]

I'm not sure whether that is irreverent and offensive, or cute.......

Did it come with the garments? Is there really a Pope beanie baby or whatever?......

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I'm not sure whether that is irreverent and offensive, or cute.......

Did it come with the garments? Is there really a Pope beanie baby or whatever?......

Ahhh.....that is what Sphinx posted!

 

[Anglian]

You sure that isn't the Archbishop of Canterbury

peace,

Anglian

 

[SummaScriptura]

I voted "yes" since I am living proof that it can.

I've been without a Roman Catholic Pope since April 6, 1972.

As far as I can tell, I am surviving.

If I can do it, so can others. C'mon!

Of course one may argue, "you certainly cannot survive without our Pope Who art in heaven", in that case I would have to agree.

 

[chingchang]

Greetings. I see the peter and pope threads are being discussed ad-nauseam again so I would like to make a simple poll for ALL denominations to answer. I am not talking about if he was simply a Bishop of Rome and only for that city but a Grand Pope of all Christianity.

So this poll is quite simple "CAN CHRISTIANITY SURVIVE TODAY WITHOUT THE POPE/PAPACY OF ROME"

The Religion may or many not survive without the Pope...but God survives without the Pope. As long as God is God...who cares?

CC

 

[Montalban]

I voted "yes" since I am living proof that it can.

I've been without a Roman Catholic Pope since April 6, 1972.

As far as I can tell, I am surviving.

If I can do it, so can others. C'mon!

Of course one may argue, "you certainly cannot survive without our Pope Who art in heaven", in that case I would have to agree.

The pope still exists, though. The question isn't about whether you personally can live/exist, but whether Christianity can survive.

 

[laconicstudent]

You sure that isn't the Archbishop of Canterbury

peace,

Anglian

Possibly. I have this strange, bizarre desire now to see that bear in a riassa and kamilavka (I think that is what that hat with the veil down the back is called....)

 

[Albion]

The Religion may or many not survive without the Pope...but God survives without the Pope. As long as God is God...who cares?

CC

Christianity has survived thw whole of its history without the Pope running the show, so there's no reason to think it won't continue to survive. That is to say, there never has been a time when the whole of Christianity acknowledged the claims of the Bishop of Rome to be the ruler of the worldwide church. Only about half of the world's Christians have been willing to even theoretically submit to his claims about himself, yet Christianity continues to be the world's largest religion. The answer to the question is self-explanatory IOW.

 

[Rhamiel]

I'm not sure whether that is irreverent and offensive, or cute.......

Did it come with the garments? Is there really a Pope beanie baby or whatever?......

awwww Bear Pope is so cute
Pope Ursa XXV

 

[spiritwarrior37]

The only thing Christianity would fail without is Jesus Christ. I voted yes.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Christianity has survived thw whole of its history without the Pope running the show, so there's no reason to think it won't continue to survive. That is to say, there never has been a time when the whole of Christianity acknowledged the claims of the Bishop of Rome to be the ruler of the worldwide church. Only about half of the world's Christians have been willing to even theoretically submit to his claims about himself, yet Christianity continues to be the world's largest religion. The answer to the question is self-explanatory IOW.

Great post!

The only thing Christianity would fail without is Jesus Christ. I voted yes.

Thanks for voting.......

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

awwww Bear Pope is so cute
Pope Ursa XXV

Is there a picture of that somewhere

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