Blog debate : Proof of Evolution

[Split Rock]

Note how none of them have taxonomic classifications?

Try Homo Habilis.
Try H. Erectus.
Try H. Heidelbergensis.
Try Australopithicus Afarensis
Try A. Africanus.

The fakes you mentioned were exposed because they didn't work. Who do you think it was that exposed them, people who accept evolution, or creationists?

They're fakes that most creationist propaganda sites take them, and blow them out of proportion. They fell at the first hurdle that all the other, real, evidence passed with flying colours - peer review.

Ah... no. Only one was a fake, and that is Piltdown Man.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

If there is proof of evolution why are all the ape men fake,

Piltdown Man

Piltdown Man was indeed a fake, and you know how it was discovered? Its place in the theory became more and more suspect as more new, genuine hominid fossils were unearthed. When scientists went back and redated it with modern techniques, they found that it was a fake.

So rather than being a blight on evolution, it's actually evidence for it: the theory is so strong that we can see which fossils 'shouldn't' exist.

Nebraska man

Was never accepted by the scientific community as genuine: it was a known fake from the start.

Peking Man?

Peking Man is a genuine fossil, not a hoax. I don't know where you get your information from, but I recommend a better source.

Why will you give us real evidence?

The evidence is there for your perusal. Literally thousands and thousands of fossils that fit exactly into the evolutionary view. Genetic and anatomic profiling of extant species demonstrates common ancestry all on its own. The geographic and geologic distribution of species (both extant and extinct) fit what would be expected: we see ring species around mountains, we see close relatives of mainland species on nearby islands, etc. And we conspicuously don't see fossil bunnies in the pre-Cambrian.

 

[Split Rock]

Furthermore, evolution has been empirically falsified and is not scientific.

"...Evolution makes the strong prediction that if a single fossil turned up in the wrong geological stratum, the theory would be blown out of the water. When challenged by a zealous Popperian to say how evolution could ever be falsified, J.B.S. Haldane famously growled: 'Fossil rabbits in the Precambrian.'" -- Richard Dawkins, biologist, 2006

"Darwinism is not a testable scientific theory, but a metaphysical research programme." -- Karl Popper, philosopher, 1976

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"The history of cosmic theories can be called, without exaggeration, a history of collective obsessions and controlled schizophrenias, and the manner in which some discoveries have been made resemble the conduct of a sleepwalker, rather than the performance of an electronic brain." -- Arthur Koestler, polymath, 1959

It is obvious you aren't interested in answering questions or examining scientific evidence which contradicts evolutionary theology. Have fun.

Please don't go before reading my Creationist Quote Mine, speakout *opps* I mean, "Agonaces of Susa" (whatever you want to call yourself now). Oh and now I remember why I put you on Ignore in the past.

Here, Creationist Icon, the Hydraulic Engineer Henry Morris admits that a 6,000 year old universe is absurd :

“If the stars were made on the fourth day, and if the days of creation were literal days, then the stars must be several thousand years old. How, then, can many of the stars be millions or billions of light years distant since it would take correspondingly millions or billions of years for their light to reach the earth?”
-Henry Morris (1972) The Remarkable Birth of Planet Earth, p 61-62


Here he admits that evolution is a Law of Nature:

“Continuous evolution is a universal law of nature…”
-Henry Morris (1967) Evolution and the Modern Christian. p.34


Here he admits that index fossils are an accurate way to determine the age of rocks:

“That is, since evolution always proceeds in the same way all over the world at the same time, index fossils representing a given age … constitute infallible indicators of the geological age in which they are found. This makes good sense…”
-Henry Morris (1977) ICR Impact Series, no. 48.


Here he admits that theistic evolution is a perfectly fine belief:

“People can believe in theistic evolution (or progressive creation) and still believe in the Bible. They feel that the evolutionary ages of geology can … be accommodated in Genesis, by means (usually) of the ’local flood’ interpretation of the Noachian Deluge and the ‘day/age’ interpretataion of God’s week of creation.”
-Henry Morris (1980) Acts & Facts, March issue cover letter


Here Creationist Robert Ginskey admits to the fundamental flaws with a 6,000 year old earth:

“The fact is, fundamentalists face a real problem in trying to squeeze dinosaurs into 6,000 years of earth history. The facts just don’t allow it, even when Noah’s Flood is invoked as an explanation.”
-Robert Ginskey (1977) The Plain Truth , May, p 30-31


Here Creationist Geologist/Paleontologist Kurt Wise admits the truth about transitional fossils:

“It’s a pain in the neck. It fits the evolutionary predictions quite well.” (discussing a fossil sequence showing reptile to mammal evolution)
-Kurt Wise (2007) The New York Times Magazine, Nov 25, p34.


Here, Intelligent Design Icon and Lawyer Philip Johnson admits that science is the only reliable path to knowledge:

“Science, which studies only the natural, is our only reliable path to knowledge.”
-Philip Johnson (1995) Reason in the Balance, p 40.


Here Old Earth Creationist and Astronomer Hugh Ross talks about the limited usefullness of religion:

“A mechanical chain of events determines everything. Morality and religion may be temporarily useful but are ultimately irrelevant.”
-Hugh Ross (1993) The Creator and the Cosmos


Here I.D Icon Philip Johnson admits that evolution does not equate with atheism:

“The blind watchmaker thesis makes it possible to be an intellectually fulfilled atheist by supplying the necessary creation story. It does not make it obligatory to be an atheist, because one can imagine a Creator who works through natural selection.”
-Philip Johnson (1995) Reason in the Balance, p 77


Here Creationist Geologist Andrew Snelling admits that granites taking millions of years to form:

“Especially the huge masses of granites outcropping in the Yosemite area, must surely have taken millions of years.”
-Andrew A. Snelling (2008) Rapid Melting of Source Rocks, and Rapid Magma Intrusions and Cooling, Answers Research Journal, 1: 11-25


Here Creationist Icon Kent “Dr. Dino” Hovind admits that both deep time and evolution are true:

"The Earth is billions of years old. The geologic column is the way to interpret it, and Charles Darwin's evolution is right."
-Kent Hovind (1996) Unmasking the False Religion of Evolution, Chapter 4

 

[Hespera]

Nebraska man wasnt even a fake.
There was a worn broken piece of tooth. lets see who CAN easily and with certainty identify a worn broken piece of 20 million yar old tooth.

The fact that the theocreos bring it up so often and misrepresent it so totally is not really the way to show that they have god and Truth on their side.

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

All evidence (or rather lackthereof) that supports evolution is fake.

"Darwinism is not a testable scientific theory, but a metaphysical research programme." -- Karl Popper, philosopher, 1976

 

[laconicstudent]

All evidence (or rather lackthereof) that supports evolution is fake.

"Darwinism is not a testable scientific theory, but a metaphysical research programme." -- Karl Popper, philosopher, 1976

Argument from incredulity equals failure. Please try again.

 

[Hespera]

If there is proof of evolution why are all the ape men fake,

Piltdown Man

Nebraska man

Peking Man?

Why will you give us real evidence?

if theocreology is right and evolution is wrong why cant you come up with something real? Why must you speak falsehoods? isnt there, btw, a rule in your book against bearing false witness? You maybe should take it more seriously.

 

[Hespera]

All evidence (or rather lackthereof) that supports evolution is fake.

"Darwinism is not a testable scientific theory, but a metaphysical research programme." -- Karl Popper, philosopher, 1976

ok we are at the core of it now.

The theoy is..................ll of the geologists, astronomers, physicists, chemists, biologists of every sort, etc and so on whose work contributes to and supports the ToE... they are ALL FAKERS!!! Every single chemist etc on planet earth. wow. all part of a vast atheist conspiracy.

Now if you want to talk about outlandish untestable unverifiable screwball theories.... that one is a gem.

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

Ahhhh, I never cease to be amused by the Creationists quote mining and flat out denial. Argument from incredulity equals failure. Please try again.

If you're not a creationist why do you have your religion marked as Christian?

Is that another one of your Darwinists tricks and deceits?

 

[laconicstudent]

If you're not a creationist why do you have your religion marked as Christian?

Because YEC isn't necessary for Christian faith.

Is that another one of your Darwinists tricks and deceits?

Nope, I'm a Christian.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

If you're not a creationist why do you have your religion marked as Christian?

You realise a belief in Creationism isn't a requirement to be a Christian, right?

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

You realise a belief in Creationism isn't a requirement to be a Christian, right?

How can one be a Christian and deny God created the universe?

 

[laconicstudent]

How can one be a Christian and deny God created the universe?

I don't. I just believe that God used a mechanism, an infinitely more intelligent and subtle approach then the YEC magic.

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

Because YEC isn't necessary for Christian faith.

I don't know any YECs. I personally believe man, the Earth, and universe are very old. Older than many evolutionists assume.

Nope, I'm a Christian.

Do you believe God created the universe?

 

[Split Rock]

Psst....

http://metropolitician.blogs.com/scribblings_of_the_metrop/_files_troll_2.jpg

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

*Wonders how on Earth you would get a correlation between Christian belief and a knowledge of Greek*

FYI The New Testament was written in Greek.

 

[laconicstudent]

I don't know any YECs. I personally believe man, the Earth, and universe are very old. Older than many evolutionists assume.

Ok then.


Do you believe God created the universe?[/quote]


Isn't that what I just said? http://www.christianforums.com/t7422218-6/#post53649931

 

[laconicstudent]

FYI The New Testament was written in Greek.

We're aware of that....

 

[Wiccan_Child]

How can one be a Christian and deny God created the universe?

Creationism is more than just a vague belief that God somehow did something sometime ago. It's most commonly the belief that God poofed everything into existence 6000 years ago, that species were also poofed into existence (and, contrary to evolution, aren't related).

Creationism stands distinct from evolution, but neither are necessary Christian beliefs. One can believe in scientific theories whilst still being a Christian.

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

Isn't that what I just said? http://www.christianforums.com/t7422218-6/#post53649931

If you believe God created the universe then why deride creationists? Wouldn't that be deriding yourself?