What do you think is the solution to this worldwide problem? How come we can't nab the suspects, or is vigilante justice the answer?
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sex trafficking?
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because those who are involved with it are smart enough to go to countries where there are either no laws on it or the police just don't care. They're also smart enough to grab kids/women who will not be missed such as those who live on the streets and/or have no family to worry about them when they go missing.
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I don't think it's just the fact that the police don't care. The police are bought off by these pedophiles. If anyone tries to stop the traffickers, his life is in jeopardy. Then people from the U.S. and other western nations fly to these countries, and it's like open season. As long as we have crooked third-world governments, we'll have human trafficking. Vigilante justice wouldn't be such a bad idea. It reminds me of the movie "Taxi Driver."
Actually, I think Chris Hansen of Dateline NBC did a couple segments on people that went to these countries for sex with kids (a lot like the "To Catch a Predator" series). That's not a bad idea, either. Plus, it's entertaining to see these "men" get pulled off the streets.
Actually, I think Chris Hansen of Dateline NBC did a couple segments on people that went to these countries for sex with kids (a lot like the "To Catch a Predator" series). That's not a bad idea, either. Plus, it's entertaining to see these "men" get pulled off the streets.
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Because sexual drive is natural and some people pervert a natural need. Greed comes into play so when one starts mixing capital and sex then maybe there would be a reason to actually think times are changing with one of the world's oldest professions.
No religion has cured it. No secular enlightenment has cured it. The law hasn't cured it. I see no end to it personally.
I seriously wonder at times if legalizing prostitution is the way that would help make even a bigger dent than anything has. One, something being legal doesn't mean it is moral so people that have some moral complex problem based in some idea of moral idealism, there should be no problem. Secondly, if the federal government, state governments regulate it maybe there could be more protection from the law and more law involvement to catch people who actually do harm instead of people making a free-will choice to sell themselves without being forced into it.
Beyond that, I have no idea of what could take away this profession.
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the only answer I can think of is Jesus. it will never be remedied until the Lord creates a new heaven and new earth though.
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white dove
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That is a loaded OP. There are too many things to consider when looking at this subject. For one, many times you're looking at other countries. Our laws are not their laws. Even so, that wouldn't stop corruption from happening. In these countries, you typically see corrupt governments/law enforcement officials due to combinations of greed and poverty. Coupled with bleak life surroundings, it makes it that much more difficult to just say "Hey! Look around and see what's going on here!" Read a few articles or speak to someone who lives or works with at-risk women and children and you will see just how bleak things can look. It isn't just a matter of a practice that is clearly wrong getting ignored. There are so many levels operating at once that ensure this practice remains "swept under the carpet."
Many organizations are fighting back with all they have though. It isn't hopeless, but it is very much an uphill battle.
What irks me to the depths of my soul is not only that this is going on, that people are aware of it going on... but even to place myself in a level of understanding of someone who is doing this. These are middle-class/wealthy individuals; teachers, pastors, volunteers, doctors. People in "helping" occupations. When I read that, it killed me inside. That's why I'm so glad I know someone (personally) who is over there right now in one of the "red" countries. I know her character, I know what she's up to, I get updated all the time... I really would love to help her out, but I'm afraid if I did, I wouldn't want to leave.
Many organizations are fighting back with all they have though. It isn't hopeless, but it is very much an uphill battle.
What irks me to the depths of my soul is not only that this is going on, that people are aware of it going on... but even to place myself in a level of understanding of someone who is doing this. These are middle-class/wealthy individuals; teachers, pastors, volunteers, doctors. People in "helping" occupations. When I read that, it killed me inside. That's why I'm so glad I know someone (personally) who is over there right now in one of the "red" countries. I know her character, I know what she's up to, I get updated all the time... I really would love to help her out, but I'm afraid if I did, I wouldn't want to leave.
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yup, i've read of cases where people working for the UN have been guilty of sex crimes against kids and women who they were supposed to be helping. its just sickening. 
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This, sadly.
As long as there's a need, people will find a way to get their fix. It's more or less the same with drugs and the so-called "war" on them. As long as there's a need, the war against drugs will never be won, and there's always going to be someone with that need.
The best we can do is counsel and help those who have been truly victimized by trafficking.
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white dove
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I strongly disagree. It isn't about a "need" at all. If you're talking about supply and demand, that's different. When human beings are used as commodities, that's what it's about. It isn't about "needing" anything, only wanting.
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Agreed.
The difference though to me is, this is a different type of addiction or a fix in my opinion. I mean there could be a mix of things. Control, dominance, sex, greed to a very sexual level to say the least, and then when it comes to the individuals that traffic themselves, insecurity in themselves they need sex to feel good, greed or a simple financial need, or a simple addiction to sex(I do not buy that every girl that traffics herself is a victim).
I do agree with you on the war on drugs. It is a pointless battle that wastes millions and millions and millions of dollars and we do nothing. We waste law enforcement officers on fighting drugs when we could better assist them in areas that need more addressing.
Agreed as well that all one can do is help counsel, and the ones that we do have an affect, protect and hope the law does something.
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kevlite2020
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The answer to it in my opinion is Jesus, because I don't see this problem ending until Jesus comes back. Prostituition was alive and well when He first came to the world, and nothing has changed it. Technology has just made it more wide-spread, available, and profitable. It breaks my heart but it will never end until this world ends.
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I don't think trials or creating harsh punishments for these people is nessecarily answer. If you watch 'The Cutting Edge' for example, the boys that are gone after or trafficked from Romania to Italy in the case are all, from poor families, or they themselves are marginialized for being suspected of being gay. Likewise, the 'Natashas' are often sent lured into prostitution in the guise of work, and they themselves - whether they be from Thailand or the Ukraine, are all in poor families.
As for the "We need stricter laws! MAKE PROSTITUTION ILLEGAL! DEATH PENALTY TO PIMPS!" that doesn't work. Amsterdam - while not the same situation as Thailand, has legal prostitution. I'm not suggesting the job is a great one, and that there isn't issues within legal prostitution (i.e. - ugly girls getting the crappy shifts), but simply creating a bunch of laws to make prostitution or pimping (which is a different profession to trafficking, IMO) illegal does not address the social and economic factors which make prostitution a viable option.
Maybe I'm cynical, but I don't think you'll ever get rid of trafficking. Right now, it all happens to be for sexual purposes. I don't want to suggest the life of a prostitute is equal to a third-world woman who comes to a developing nation to become a nanny for a wealthy family, or that as far as pain/danger goes, it's equal. But trafficking of the marginiliazed will always occur; again, trafficking for sex purposes seems to be one of the most common right now.
As for the "We need stricter laws! MAKE PROSTITUTION ILLEGAL! DEATH PENALTY TO PIMPS!" that doesn't work. Amsterdam - while not the same situation as Thailand, has legal prostitution. I'm not suggesting the job is a great one, and that there isn't issues within legal prostitution (i.e. - ugly girls getting the crappy shifts), but simply creating a bunch of laws to make prostitution or pimping (which is a different profession to trafficking, IMO) illegal does not address the social and economic factors which make prostitution a viable option.
Maybe I'm cynical, but I don't think you'll ever get rid of trafficking. Right now, it all happens to be for sexual purposes. I don't want to suggest the life of a prostitute is equal to a third-world woman who comes to a developing nation to become a nanny for a wealthy family, or that as far as pain/danger goes, it's equal. But trafficking of the marginiliazed will always occur; again, trafficking for sex purposes seems to be one of the most common right now.
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Why? That was not a liberal suggestion.
I think I just vomited in my mouth a little.
BRB rinsing with Listerine.
Well, yeah, you won't get rid of it, like you won't get rid of theft, murder, and fraud. But you do punish it when it raises its ugly head. Furthermore, you take away the economic incentive for parents to sell their kids.
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I think I just vomited in my mouth a little.
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How many internets do you own? lol
So, we've identified the source, which is sex drive. (Pedophilia?)
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Thank you for not reading my post.
I didn't say that we shouldn't punish traffickers; but that punishing them won't do very much. Just like having the death penalty in place for pre-meditated murder doesn't cause murder rate to decrease.
As long as there is poverty, there will be trafficking. Furthermore, many times the parents of the children and women who are sold into brothels, are not intending to sell them into prostitution. They are sold to men who take them over to other countries to work as maids in hotels or as domestic servants. Sure, there are cases where parents knowingly sell their child into prostitution. But punishing the parents of the children will not get rid of poverty or the motivations for a parent to sell their kid into a brothel.
As I said, I'm cynical. So long as developed nations ride on the backs of poorer nations, there will always be poverty. Thus, there will always be trafficking or people taking advantage of the marginialized of society.
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I have a massive loathing/hatred/distrust for anything pertaining to government. I'm going to leave it at that so I don't derail this thread with my own (unsavory) views of the government and its institutions.
I lost count a while back. Probably too many now, what, with them all in a Swiss bank account I have overseas. ;v
I don't think it's so much sex drive as it is the lack of available outlets to let those drives out. Societal taboos also play a part in this, I think. There may be a fetish that someone has that their spouse refuses to partake in, so the other person may turn to a prostitute to have that particular fetish played out. Of course, then that goes into what is and isn't considered taboo. What we may think as disgusting and horrible here in the U. S. and A. is perfectly normal and natural elsewhere in the world.
There's no one-size-fits-all answer to this, sadly, and there never will be because the problems and sources of sex trafficking are diverse. You can't arrest/kill/sentence/imprison the ringleaders and even if you do, more will take their place. You can't chemically castrate pedophiles and think they'll stop their actions.
That's why I said we should counsel the victims. Heck, I think we should also counsel the perpetrators as well because chances are that they've been victimized in the same manner. They learn from their abuse and it becomes a cycle.
I don't claim to have the answers, and I never will. All I can do is make suggestions to help out.
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