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The death penalty

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Retention of the death penalty

The arguments in favour of retaining the death penalty are based on one or another of the following views:

It is the only form of punishment which provides society with absolute protection by permanently removing the criminals in question from society.

There is no suitable alternative. Life imprisonment is inappropriate for the following reasons:

--- A prisoner serving a life sentence in South Africa may be considered for parole after 20 years.

--- A person like this could still be a threat to fellow prisoners and the correctional staff.

--- Such an offender could escape.

It operates as a unique general deterrent and serious crime might increase should the death penalty be abolished.

People might take the law into their own hands if the death penalty were not imposed by the state.

Both the Bible and the Koran justify it on religious grounds.

Public opinion is in favour of the death penalty.

It is a terminal form of punishment which is essential for ensuring respect for the law.

In some cases, the criminal does not have the opportunity to reform.

It is the only form of punishment in which the "eye for an eye" principle is realised fully.

Long-term detention of prisoners serving life sentences constitutes an unnecessary financial burden on the taxpayers.

In a violent society where many people believe that crime levels are uncontrollable, the state is duty bound to perform a symbolic act (executions) to stem this tide.


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Abolition of the death penalty

The arguments of those people who are opposed to the death penalty, are as follows:

There is insufficient empirical evidence to prove that the death penalty is a more effective deterrent than long-term imprisonment.


This form of punishment contributes to the cycle of violence in a society.

Abolition of the death penalty is an international trend.

There are religious objections to the death penalty.

It is an irrevocable form of punishment. The irreversible finality of the death penalty should be taken into account in the light of the fallible process of law in which the death penalty is passed.

The act of taking a human life does not create respect for life.

The death penalty overemphasises the retribution objective at the expense of the rehabilitation and restoration objective.

The arbitrary and discretionary nature of this form of punishment makes it unacceptable.

It conflicts with the constitutional right to life and debases human dignity because it is a cruel and inhuman form of punishment.

By inflicting the death penalty, the state reduces itself to the moral level of the offender.

Prisoners who have received the death penalty usually come from the lowest socio-economic classes and certain cultural and ethnic groups. Proportionally black people are more often sentenced to execution than the other groups in South Africa.


What side do you take? (Ok these are not in detail) and was taken from a criminology study guide

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I used to be for the death penalty due to the fact that some people cannot be rehabilitated. Given this, a clean death would be more humane than keeping them locked up their entire life.

Now I understand that even if an individual cannot be rehabilitated from chronic, violent criminal behavior they can still be valuable to society- Studies of these individuals conducted within the ethical guidelines of the APA (minus consent, incarceration has a mitigating effect upon consent) can give us information that can be used in the future to treat such individuals. So these offenders can indeed contribute to the elimination of this moral issue altogether by providing us with the information necessary to effect rehabilitation.

Instead of maximum security prisons, we can have maximum security penal laboratories. :)
 
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Just so you know, proper quoting form is to cite, or better yet, link to your source.

It out of a study guide from the University of South Africa...if you want you can register for the course and see yourself :)

Here the module code Only study guide for CMY304L, Unisa.


I can't give out more...copyright laws ...
 
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The last time I took the matter under serious consideration, Scott Peterson was on trial. The man murdered his wife and their unborn child, and then he went over to his girlfriend's, if I remember right. I've got a pretty strong compassion muscle, but there's no way it can handle that weight. I say keep it.
 
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Retention of the death penalty

The arguments in favour of retaining the death penalty are based on one or another of the following views:

It is the only form of punishment which provides society with absolute protection by permanently removing the criminals in question from society.

There is no suitable alternative. Life imprisonment is inappropriate for the following reasons:

--- A prisoner serving a life sentence in South Africa may be considered for parole after 20 years.

--- A person like this could still be a threat to fellow prisoners and the correctional staff.

--- Such an offender could escape.

It operates as a unique general deterrent and serious crime might increase should the death penalty be abolished.

People might take the law into their own hands if the death penalty were not imposed by the state.

Both the Bible and the Koran justify it on religious grounds.

Public opinion is in favour of the death penalty.

It is a terminal form of punishment which is essential for ensuring respect for the law.

In some cases, the criminal does not have the opportunity to reform.

It is the only form of punishment in which the "eye for an eye" principle is realised fully.

Long-term detention of prisoners serving life sentences constitutes an unnecessary financial burden on the taxpayers.

In a violent society where many people believe that crime levels are uncontrollable, the state is duty bound to perform a symbolic act (executions) to stem this tide.


and


Abolition of the death penalty

The arguments of those people who are opposed to the death penalty, are as follows:

There is insufficient empirical evidence to prove that the death penalty is a more effective deterrent than long-term imprisonment.


This form of punishment contributes to the cycle of violence in a society.

Abolition of the death penalty is an international trend.

There are religious objections to the death penalty.

It is an irrevocable form of punishment. The irreversible finality of the death penalty should be taken into account in the light of the fallible process of law in which the death penalty is passed.

The act of taking a human life does not create respect for life.

The death penalty overemphasises the retribution objective at the expense of the rehabilitation and restoration objective.

The arbitrary and discretionary nature of this form of punishment makes it unacceptable.

It conflicts with the constitutional right to life and debases human dignity because it is a cruel and inhuman form of punishment.

By inflicting the death penalty, the state reduces itself to the moral level of the offender.

Prisoners who have received the death penalty usually come from the lowest socio-economic classes and certain cultural and ethnic groups. Proportionally black people are more often sentenced to execution than the other groups in South Africa.


What side do you take? (Ok these are not in detail) and was taken from a criminology study guide

Feel free to add other sources etc
ultimately the death penalty.
Why?

Because there are individuals whose mentalities are so ingrained into violence and death that correction would be very difficult if not impossible. And that to grant such an individual life would mean condemning more people to death, and quite likely someone who is innocent.
 
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I would never claim to quote Nietzsche correctly, but I think he saw punishment as an act of vengeance, and merely disguised as "law" or "appropriate"

So I am for the death penalty in very few specific cases for the reason that it is vengeance, and as such more vengeful than sentencing someone to a life of boredom.
 
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ultimately the death penalty.
Why?

Because there are individuals whose mentalities are so ingrained into violence and death that correction would be very difficult if not impossible. And that to grant such an individual life would mean condemning more people to death, and quite likely someone who is innocent.
That's ridiculous. You know about prison, right?
 
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That's ridiculous. You know about prison, right?

I know we tell ourselves they are to rehabilitate people while they serve their sentences, but I have to say I've seen very few who have received
any type of counciling or other rehabilitation services.
 
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When you don't have sufficient knowledge to treat gangrene then you are forced to cut the gangrenous part! This is ignorance and the easy way out yet it does not protect anyone from getting gangrene in the future. Like wise the death penalty rids society of a human who has done wrong (in accordance to the pertaining society) yet it does nothing to address the foundations of crime. Leg hurts? Cut leg! Why bother trying to find why leg hurts!

In all; Capital punishment is societies failure to understand the nature of crime!:cry:
 
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And that to grant such an individual life would mean condemning more people to death, and quite likely someone who is innocent.

This is precisely why prisons exist: to protect us from those who would do us harm. (Ok, it's one of a few reasons.) Eric Robert Rudolph will never hurt anyone ever again.
 
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I know we tell ourselves they are to rehabilitate people while they serve their sentences, but I have to say I've seen very few who have received
any type of counciling or other rehabilitation services.
I don't think the purpose is rehabilitation. I think it's set up to be punishment.
 
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I have a metaphor. Eliminating the symptoms does not cure the disease. I'll spell it out. Symptoms = criminals, disease = criminal motives in persons or a society. If you fix the heart, the rest will follow. sometimes it's necessary to cure sypmtoms, so i admit that sometimes the death penalty is necessary. but only when you've tried to fix the heart. this is a prime example of why law is not enough to perfect a society (a principle taught by Jesus, if anyone cares to know). at best, law contradicts itself. the punishment for breaking the law is for the state to break its own law, except with you as the victim. again, law is necessary only to stop those who simply don't get it. in this case, those who, through their influence are an extreme danger to others by murdering or committing acts worse than murder and cannot be stopped by rehab or any other measure.

a couple comments on the death penalty favor arguments:

It operates as a unique general deterrent and serious crime might increase should the death penalty be abolished.
false. nobody committing a serious crime thinks they're gonna get caught. it's not like murderers sit there and weigh their consequences. this isn't a rational decision making process. lets quit pretending we have that much control over society.

People might take the law into their own hands if the death penalty were not imposed by the state.
again. the state doesn't have that much control. the reason people don't currently take the law into their own hands is because of personal and societal moral standards, not cause they think death is the alternative.

Both the Bible and the Koran justify it on religious grounds.
woah there. why do we assume that every word of religious scripture is an instruction manual for our daily life? the Bible can include text and information without 'justifying' it. most of the OT is there as a reference of how things used to be, and shows why certain practices don't work out so well, not as a guide for modern daily life. let's not take parts out of context. and the koran who knows i haven't read it. plus, its not the state's job to adhere to religious law; it's just so happens that most religious laws increase the good of the society and are thus incorporated into state law as well.

Public opinion is in favour of the death penalty.
popular =/= right. what is this middle school?

It is a terminal form of punishment which is essential for ensuring respect for the law.
respect for the law doesn't come from punishment, nor is respect for the law a cure for society's ills. again, that's what the old testament is all about. despite the existence of capital punishment, there was a resurgence of lawlessness every couple of generations for the OT jews.

Here are some of the opposite side's views i have comments on:

It conflicts with the constitutional right to life and debases human dignity because it is a cruel and inhuman form of punishment.
i wouldn't say that death is necessarily inhuman, or that we have a right to life - after all, death happens to %100 of us. murder is inhuman though. on a side note, death itself isn't such a bad thing. murder is a bad thing, but not death. if you don't believe in an afterlife, you shouldn't be too worried about death (you won't notice it), and if you do, then you shouldn't be worried because if you're right you go to a better place and if you're wrong you still won't notice it.

By inflicting the death penalty, the state reduces itself to the moral level of the offender.
the state's job is not to be moral, it is to promote the good of the society. same deal with government funded charity. state =/= person
 
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