Taking questions on the Creation.

[AV1611VET]

Again, I just think you're reading into it.

354

 

[CoderHead]

359

OK, and what? Where does the literal interpretation of the Bible end and your implications begin? And by what authority do you consider your implications "truth?"

 

[Gracchus]

359

OK, and what? Where does the literal interpretation of the Bible end and your implications begin? And by what authority do you consider your implications "truth?"

Let us be accurate here. He is saying the Bible implies. He infers. He draws inferences that the Bible has certain implications.

Implications would be "placed in" by the author, or be suggested but not explicitly stated in what was written. Inferences are "carried in" by the reader.

When you make up stuff in the Bible that isn't there, you are inferring that there is something implied that isn't really there.

 

[godsmission]

When you make up stuff in the Bible that isn't there, you are inferring that there is something implied that isn't really there.

The Bible, make of it what you will.

 

[AV1611VET]

When you make up stuff in the Bible that isn't there, you are inferring that there is something implied that isn't really there.

Ya --- that's real hard to infer --- isn't it?

You create A, B, and C.

You hand A to B.

Later C has it.

Where did C get it?

 

[Assyrian]

Who says C has it?

Luke 8:30 Jesus then asked him, "What is your name?" And he said, "Legion," for many demons had entered him.
31 And they begged him not to command them to depart into the abyss.
32 Now a large herd of pigs was feeding there on the hillside, and they begged him to let them enter these. So he gave them permission.

If Satan has the dominion over nature that God gave Adam, why did Legion beg Jesus for permission to go into the pigs?

 

[AV1611VET]

If Satan has the dominion over nature that God gave Adam, why did Legion beg Jesus for permission to go into the pigs?

Fallen angels are not what God had in mind when He gave dominion of the earth to Adam and Eve.

In fact, they didn't even exist at the time.

Note also their remark --- a reference to a future event, when Jesus will retake the earth by force:

art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

 

[CoderHead]

Where did C get it?

C never had it. Again, Satan = liar. A liar doesn't have to own something to offer it. For example, there's this bridge in San Francisco I'll sell you...

Fallen angels are not what God had in mind when He gave dominion of the earth to Adam and Eve.

In fact, they didn't even exist at the time.

Note also their remark --- a reference to a future event, when Jesus will retake the earth by force:

I don't understand what you're saying. Satan is a fallen angel. You're saying that he inherited dominion over the Earth. But you're saying fallen angels aren't what God had in mind and that they didn't exist. So who was embodying the talking serpent in the Garden that helped kick off humans' first sin?

 

[BananaSlug]

1 So God blessed Noah and his sons, and said to them: “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth. 2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be on every beast of the earth, on every bird of the air, on all that move on the earth, and on all the fish of the sea. They are given into your hand. 3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. I have given you all things, even as the green herbs. Genesis 9:1-3

Bolded sentence implies dominion. In fact, it is essentially the same sentence with "dominion" replaced with "fear/dread of you". Again, it implies dominion. You want to imply that Adam handed creation to Satan, yet the Bible implies God gave dominion to Noah.

Just decided to repost it since AV forgot to reply to it.

 

[AV1611VET]

Just decided to repost it since AV forgot to reply to it.

Then I'll repost the answer as well: 358.

Just because you ask me a question, I answer it, then you ask the same question again, doesn't necessarily mean I feel obligated to stay on the merry-go-round.

Once again --- the word "dominion" is missing --- probably on purpose --- and no matter how much you think that's a moot point ---

I don't.

(Welcome to the King-James-Only mindset.)

 

[CoderHead]

(Welcome to the King-James-Only mindset.)

Not to go off on a completely unrelated tangent, but if the Bible is God's holy Word, what difference would the version make? I think that's a hilarious statement of yours.

 

[AV1611VET]

Not to go off on a completely unrelated tangent, but if the Bible is God's holy Word, what difference would the version make? I think that's a hilarious statement of yours.

The version makes all the difference.

There is only one true line of [supernaturally] authorized versions:

1. AV100 Koine Greek Version
2. AV350 Gothic Version
3. AV700 Anglo-Saxon Version
4. AV1389 Wycliffe Bible
5. AV1525 Tyndale Bible
6. AV1568 Bishop's Bible
7. AV1560 Geneva Bible
8. AV1611 King James Version

People ask me today if the King James Bible is the best version out, and w/o hesitation, I reply:

• No, It is not --- It is the only version out.

 

[The Lady Kate]

The version makes all the difference.

There is only one true line of [supernaturally] authorized versions

Just out of curiousity... how does a version get [supernaturally] authorized?

 

[AV1611VET]

Just out of curiousity... how does a version get [supernaturally] authorized?

God does it.

6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

 

[ReverendDG]

The version makes all the difference.

There is only one true line of [supernaturally] authorized versions:

1. AV100 Koine Greek Version
2. AV350 Gothic Version
3. AV700 Anglo-Saxon Version
4. AV1389 Wycliffe Bible
5. AV1525 Tyndale Bible
6. AV1568 Bishop's Bible
7. AV1560 Geneva Bible
8. AV1611 King James Version

how odd, wheres the vulgate? half of those bibles are heavily influenced by the vulgate, by the way your date for wycliffe is off, it was 1380, and tydale was incomplete(it was part of matthew's bible)

i find it odd you deem these versions as supernaturally inspired, have you bothered to learn about them? i have to wonder why you think they are supernaturally inspired, considering they were just translations done just to have a bible.
though the gothic is useful on an secular level, i doubt thats the reason you'd praise it(its one of the few documents of gothic we have)

can you tell me why the KJV was considered the authorized version? it wasn't some sign from god that the KJV was the end all be all of bibles, it was just simply that king james authorized it for the church to use instead of the bishop's bible.

People ask me today if the King James Bible is the best version out, and w/o hesitation, I reply:

• No, It is not --- It is the only version out.

well considering how arbitrary your criteria for being the best is, i could see why.
i mean come on man "the only version out"? what does that even mean.

 

[JustMeSee]

Are there King James Bibles in languages other than English?

 

[AV1611VET]

Are there King James Bibles in languages other than English?

Yup ---

 

[roflcopter101]

Why would one version be preferable to another version then?

 

[Assyrian]

Fallen angels are not what God had in mind when He gave dominion of the earth to Adam and Eve.

In fact, they didn't even exist at the time.

Note also their remark --- a reference to a future event, when Jesus will retake the earth by force:

All completely irrelevant to my question. It does not matter whether fallen angels were around when God gave Adam dominion. Of whether they existed before the fall. You think Satan still had dominion over the pigs when Jesus went to the region of Gadarenes. And as you point out Jesus' defeat of Satan still lay in the future. So why would fallen angels ask Jesus for permission to enter the pigs when you think it was Satan who had dominion over them?

 

[Assyrian]

The version makes all the difference.

There is only one true line of [supernaturally] authorized versions:

1. AV100 Koine Greek Version
2. AV350 Gothic Version
3. AV700 Anglo-Saxon Version
4. AV1389 Wycliffe Bible
5. AV1525 Tyndale Bible
6. AV1568 Bishop's Bible
7. AV1560 Geneva Bible
8. AV1611 King James Version

People ask me today if the King James Bible is the best version out, and w/o hesitation, I reply:

• No, It is not --- It is the only version out.

You know one of the complaints AVers make about modern translation is the way they leave out dubious verses you have in the AV, including:
Mark 11:26

(AV) Mark 11:25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.
26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.
27 And they come again to Jerusalem: and as he was walking in the temple, there come to him the chief priests, and the scribes, and the elders,
But Tyndale leaves that out too.
(Tyndale) Mark 11:25 And when ye stod and praye forgeve yf ye have eny thinge agaynste eny man yt youre father also which is in heve maye forgeve you youre trespases.
27 And they came agayne to Hierusalem. And as he walked in the teple ther came to him ye hye prestes and the Scribes and the elders


Luke 17:36
(AV) Luke 17:35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together
But the Gothic bible leaves that one out.
(GotNT) Luke 17:35 twos wairþand malandeins samana, aina usnimada jah anþara bileiþada.
37 jah andhafjandans qeþun du imma: hvar, frauja? iþ is qaþ im: þarei leik, jaindre galisand sik arans.

John 7:53-8:11 being moved to footnotes or marked as not being in the best manuscripts.
The Gothic bible leaves it out completely
(GotNT) John 7:52 andhofun jah qeþun du imma: ibai jah þu us Galeilaia is? ussokei jah saihv þatei praufetus us Galeilaia ni urreisiþ.
8:12 Aftra du im Iesus rodida qaþuh: ik im liuhaþ manasedais; saei laisteiþ mik ni gaggiþ in riqiza, ak habaiþ liuhaþ libainais.