Going to Night Clubs a Sin / Unholy?

[favoredbyGod]

As a Christian, personally I choose not to go to clubs / parties where I know that things take place that are not conducive to the Holy Spirit. I just don't feel comfortable.
Some of my friends tell me that I can be saved and still go, but as I have said that is not what I feel personally that is good for me and will cause me to be led astray, so I choose to stay away from those type of environments.

Thoughts? Advice?

 

[freeport]

As a Christian, personally I choose not to go to clubs / parties where I know that things take place that are not conducive to the Holy Spirit. I just don't feel comfortable.
Some of my friends tell me that I can be saved and still go, but as I have said that is not what I feel personally that is good for me and will cause me to be led astray, so I choose to stay away from those type of environments.

Thoughts? Advice?

It depends on the heart, but in your case you judge it as a sin, so it would be a sin. Do not do anything you can not do in confidence it is right before God.

It may be that these clubs prey on fleshly weaknesses of yours you have not dealt with or have sore memories from.

Or, it may simply be that you do not have experience with these things and have always been taught to view them as necessarily and absolutely evil.


As a Christian you are going to find yourself in places where there are unbelievers. Some places may be more challenging then others. But, what matters is not what is "out there", but what is "in you", in your heart.

For instance, say an undercover police officer goes into a club to bust some criminal. Are they then sinning for what they are doing? No, they are not there to sin, but to fight against sin.

And that is the sort of attitude I do take with such situations: like an undercover cop, he knows his own heart on the matter and is focused on his job. And we should know our own hearts on matters and focus on our jobs.

I am not much for socializing, but I have absolutely witnessed in all sorts of places. It is what people do to socialize. Now, if your friends are engaging in wild sex or illegal drugs at parties: that is another matter entirely, of course. Regular parties are simply civilized and places for people to meet and socialize. For Christians it can be a place to shine your lights. But, of course, many parties engage in a lot of activity that is illegal.

Now, that does not mean you are sinning if someone smokes a joint in a corner and you are in another room. I am talking about something like that being the center or cornerstone of such a gathering.


This is, however, not for every Christian by any means anymore then it is for every person. Not every Christian either might find themselves socializing with the homeless poor, for instance, and if they did they would feel very uncomfortable. Some are more comfortable in some social settings, some in others.


Also, remember perspective: the real bad sinners of Jesus' times were not the obvious ones who did not know enough in how to hide their sins, now were they? No, but the Pharisees. And that is how it is today. So, I really do encourage Christians to try and apply that sort of perspective to today and understand it.

Many churches, therefore, are far more evil places to go to then any such place. As amazing as that may be. Yet, Jesus went to synagogues - later called in Revelation 'synagogues of Satan' - and taught. Some accepted Him, some tried to throw Him out. They did have a 'zeal for God, but apart from knowledge'. And how evil they were!

Likewise, it can be critical to see that the real "unholiness" "out there" is very often in sheep's clothing. No real evil people go about flaunting their evil like that, but they know how to hide it. (Though to Christians who are born again, there is no hiding, so their evil is often transparent to us.)

 

[favoredbyGod]

But when going to night clubs, how many people really have the intent of going in there witness?

Yes, there are some places that I cannot avoid, but this is one of them because I choose to do so because the atmosphere and environment is troubling to me.

Most of the time there are drunk rowdy people, grinding and practically having sex on the dance floor to music that is demeaning to women and using all types of profanity and vulgarity.

I'm trying to go further in Christ, not go backwards. (I'm personally talking about me)

 

[Brandonator]

here's wat u need to do either get rid of your friends, change them, or don't go to he parties if you know you feel uncomfortable and if your friends don't like it and they stop being your friend forget them get some new friends that accept you for who you are. If you're someone who knows going to night clubs and parties are not of God then don't go to those things its not right.

 

[green wolverine]

As a Christian, personally I choose not to go to clubs / parties where I know that things take place that are not conducive to the Holy Spirit. I just don't feel comfortable.
Some of my friends tell me that I can be saved and still go, but as I have said that is not what I feel personally that is good for me and will cause me to be led astray, so I choose to stay away from those type of environments.

Thoughts? Advice?

I think you're wise to avoid places that often lead people to do things they wouldn't normally to if not in that environment. Listen to your conscience, not your friends.

 

[Meeker]

What freeport has already said is sound advice. If a club contained that sort of atmosphere, of course you should not go there, because it would tempt you. I would read over what freeport has said and consider it. I feel anything most of us would be able to tell you, has already been mentioned in his post.

 

[BigNorsk]

Often the places we perceive as so sinful are because they aren't our sin but the sin of others.

Many people worship money, do you stay away from money and say stay out of banks? Lot's of sin occuring there.

Lots of sex takes place in cars, do you stay out of cars?

I would worry more about avoiding places where you would sin rather than avoiding places where other people sin.

Marv

 

[fm107]

As a Christian, personally I choose not to go to clubs / parties where I know that things take place that are not conducive to the Holy Spirit. I just don't feel comfortable.
Some of my friends tell me that I can be saved and still go, but as I have said that is not what I feel personally that is good for me and will cause me to be led astray, so I choose to stay away from those type of environments.

Thoughts? Advice?

You made the right choice in not going to these places.

I too choose not to go to these places.

Night clubs are no place for a Christian to be. Christians shouldn't even try to justify going to these places.

Gross sin takes place in these establishments. And where gross sin takes place there the devil is. Why would a lamb go to socialise amoung the wolves?

It's common sense that a Christian shouldn't step through the door of these places.

If you think about it, nightclubs are the opposite of Chruch.

 

[bliz]

Can a Christian go to a night club? Sure.

Should you go to a night club? It doesn't sound like a good idea for you.

 

[favoredbyGod]

fm107,

Thats the way I look at the whole thing and I feel like that as a Christian, I have no business being in an establishment of such. I agree with you completely!


As Ive stated several times b4 there are some places that I have to go and cannot avoid, but the club is not a place that I have to / need to go.

My car is not a place where people have sex, people can worship money, but that has nothing to do with me at the bank, I'm not at the bank for entertainment, its strictly business. Point blank, people go to clubs for entertainment. Why should I be in an environment such as that when I don't have to be? I can't control what others do, but I can control the places where I go.

 

[SilverFire]

But when going to night clubs, how many people really have the intent of going in there witness?

Yes, there are some places that I cannot avoid, but this is one of them because I choose to do so because the atmosphere and environment is troubling to me.

Most of the time there are drunk rowdy people, grinding and practically having sex on the dance floor to music that is demeaning to women and using all types of profanity and vulgarity.

I'm trying to go further in Christ, not go backwards. (I'm personally talking about me)

I don't think many people read this followup. It's easy to argue in the abstract, "Sure, Christians can go anywhere!" but when you're up against what you're talking about, no casual attitude can stand. Are you really going to go into a place where what you've described is happening just to go?

Maybe most people are super-Christians in that they're not affected by profanity (though if people taking God's name in vain doesn't bother you, I really wonder), people simulating sex doesn't tempt them, and the preponderance of alcohol doesn't make them want to drink. I'm sure they also have no problem standing out from the crowd and are unaffected by music as well!

Hey look, if you've achieved that level of spiritual maturity, please don't be blaise` about it -- you really need to help the rest of us out!

The place that you've described is where no Christian should go unless he or she is under a specific mission and is well prepared. Skate where the ice is THICKEST, not where it is THINNEST.

And oh, the comparison to cars or banks -- you're kidding, right? Maybe it's not that most folks are super-Christians but rather they're completely unaware of the spiritual warfare we face and/or overconfident without reason.

 

[favoredbyGod]

SilverFire,

I know what the Lord has personally convicted me about and thats where I will leave it.
You are free to go anywhere you want to, if your cool with it, Fine I dont have a problem with what you do or where you choose to go.

I'm talking about my personal convictions BETWEEN ME AND THE LORD, you don't have a thing to do with that.

 

[childofGod31]

As a Christian, personally I choose not to go to clubs / parties where I know that things take place that are not conducive to the Holy Spirit. I just don't feel comfortable.
Some of my friends tell me that I can be saved and still go, but as I have said that is not what I feel personally that is good for me and will cause me to be led astray, so I choose to stay away from those type of environments.

Thoughts? Advice?

Here are some thoughts that might be helpful.

When we come to God, He cleans and washes us through His Word and His Spirit. (1Pet1:22, 1CO 6:10 ) Going back to night clubs would be like "going back to wallow in the mud again, like pigs do, after being washed". 2PE 2:22

Did you know HOW God washed us? Did you know how much it cost God? We were washed by the blood of the Son of God. This "washing" water was obtained at the cost of death.

It's like if you were terminally ill and somebody went and got you an antidote and died in the process. So you drank an antidote and now you are ok. (Although your friend is still dead). But then you said: well, I'll just go back to the camp with deceased people and get infected all over again. And so your friend's death was in vain. So when people go back to sin, to where sin dwells, it's like they are saying that Christ died for nothing. (Heb 10:29) We will again, become all dirty, unclean and separated from God. And those people who believe that it's ok, are deceiving themselves. Because it says that God cannot be mocked. If you are doing the stuff that pleases your sinful nature, you will reap destruction. (Galatians 6:7,8) You can't live in the world, do the things of the world, join with the world and at the same time belong to God. You cannot serve two masters.

PSA 26:4 I do not sit with deceitful men, nor do I consort with hypocrites; 5 I abhor the assembly of evildoers and refuse to sit with the wicked. ...8 I love the house where you live, O LORD, the place where your glory dwells.


God wants us to be holy and separate from the world. He cannot dwell with sin and dirty/unholy stuff.

2CO 6:17 "Therefore come out from them and be separate, says the Lord. Touch no unclean thing, and I will receive you."

1PE 4:18 And, "If it is hard for the righteous to be saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?"

2PE 3:11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives

1PE 1:16 for it is written: "Be holy, because I am holy."
17 Since you call on a Father who judges each man's work impartially, live your lives as strangers here in reverent fear.


We were separated from the filth of the world and sanctified to be a holy temple where God lives. We have no right to go back and get unclean. God's temple should not be made unclean. That' like being defiant in God's face. It's like taking something holy and treating it/handling it as though it was not holy and as though it did not require special handling (Heb 10:29) We are a HOLY temple, we have to be very careful as far as doing things that make it unclean.

1PE 2:9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation,
1CO 6:19 Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit,


1PE 4:2 As a result, he does not live the rest of his earthly life for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God.
3 For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do - living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry.
4 They think it strange that you do not plunge with them into the same flood of dissipation, and they heap abuse on you.
5 But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead.

 

[Chris_G]

Can a Christian go to a night club? Sure.

Should you go to a night club? It doesn't sound like a good idea for you.

I agree. It depends on the person and on the reason for going to a dance club. I'm married, love my wife very much and we enjoy dancing. So if I went to a dance club, it would only be to dance with my wife and then afterwards, hopefully, make love when we get home.

 

[favoredbyGod]

ChildofGod31, I take on your viewpoint and agree 100% which is why I am convicted, but to each his own.

 

[Chris_G]

ChildofGod31, I take on your viewpoint and agree 100% which is why I am convicted, but to each his own.

I think it is to each his own. Before I found Jesus, my heart was full of lust and adultery, because I'm married. Every pretty girl or woman I saw, I looked at her with lust and fantasy. Even though I did not touch her, I know I committed adultery in my heart. Once I repented, I turned away from that, I try my hardest to not even look at any pretty girls, because I know that is a weakness of mine. This is why I would not go to a gym to work out. Is it a sin to go to the gym? No, probably not. But because of my weakness, and my commitment to my wife and the fact that there are alot of attractive women at the gym who wear very little clothing, I do not go to the gym. That's my conviction.

So why do I go to dance clubs if there are plenty of other women there? Because I would only go with my wife, and dance only with her. No one else. I have no desire to look or dance with anyone else.

 

[freeport]

But when going to night clubs, how many people really have the intent of going in there witness?

Yes, there are some places that I cannot avoid, but this is one of them because I choose to do so because the atmosphere and environment is troubling to me.

Most of the time there are drunk rowdy people, grinding and practically having sex on the dance floor to music that is demeaning to women and using all types of profanity and vulgarity.

I'm trying to go further in Christ, not go backwards. (I'm personally talking about me)

I witness wherever I am... talking about God is my favorite subject. With some friends, I am more low key, or indirect, or it would burn them off.

(Jesus spoke to the crowds in parable, remember.)

The Good News isn't about "to socialize or not to" or "to go out at night or not to".


Mercy trumps judgment everytime.

But, not everyone is okay with that: John the Baptist didn't drink and he fasted. Jesus did, and socialized with the worst sorts while doing so.

(Some would argue drinking is a sin, that is an endless debate. I disagree.)

I can't say how many awesome and deep conversations I have had with co-workers in such situations. Everytime, actually. What else IS there to really talk about? Granted, not everyone I can pull into some deep conversation.

Not always explicit, but always get people thinking "maybe something is going on".

Last time I went out, in fact, sat at a bar on a trip, had a deep and long conversation with the bartender about Jonah and Revelations. Then some guys came by and continued that on some other religious matters.

(Was months ago... you know, at some work places, you can not legally witness at all unless people are open to it. At best you might be able to at lunch. You don't want to treat everyone like they are lepers. I don't anyway. And I would be doing that if I refused invitations to socialize with them.)