Have any of the creationists here done the following?

[AV1611VET]

Do we have to have been there for us to have evidence of it having happened?

Evidence can be interpreted --- and interpreted incorrectly.

If you want us to abandon our faith in the Scriptures --- you'd better be convincing --- or no deal.

 

[jpcedotal]

Wasn't important enough...didn't cause a world-wide catastrophe like science would have you to believe.

Maybe that is where the moon was stuck to the earth....lol. Look at that, I need to write a science book.

hmmm, I wonder what is the curvature of the crater compared to the curvature of the moon? Yall science guys, how close is it? ..and don't steal my "theory"...I am gonna be rich.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Wasn't important enough...didn't cause a world-wide catastrophe like science would have you to believe.

Maybe that is where the moon was stuck to the earth....lol. Look at that, I need to write a science book.

So you think a six mile diameter space rock striking the earth and setting off a 100,000,000 megaton explosion was not catasrophic? The ash from this impact has been found geologically (by those science people) worldwide. We have evidence that this is in large part responsible for the mass extinction of dinosaurs. Or do you believe that dinosaurs still exist?

Yet somehow this never made it into the Bible. Yet a worldwide flood was recorded in detail, but there is absolutely no physical evidence to support it.

 

[Hespera]

I wasn't defining immovable. I was stating that Psalms 93:1 does not use this word, which was what the argument was being based on.

This verse does not say the earth does not move.

ok..good enough

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

hmmm, I wonder what is the curvature of the crater compared to the curvature of the moon? Yall science guys, how close is it? ..and don't steal my "theory"...I am gonna be rich.

Chicxulub crater is ten miles in diameter (if you don't understand the term diameter, you can wiki it), and the space rock estimated to be about six miles in diameter.

I suspect you'll never make one red cent in any area of science. Creationism/ID on the other hand...

 

[jpcedotal]

Chicxulub crater is ten miles in diameter (if you don't understand the term diameter, you can wiki it), and the space rock estimated to be about six miles in diameter.

I suspect you'll never make one red cent in any area of science. Creationism/ID on the other hand...

I have been educated...thanks. Luckily, I have a meteor blocking umbrella in my closet right beside my monkey-man finder and ozone hole looker...so I am good.

And there were dinosaurs. They walked with man before the Flood. Why were they not mentioned in the Bible? Again, not really all that important.

 

[Hespera]

Chicxulub crater is ten miles in diameter (if you don't understand the term diameter, you can wiki it), and the space rock estimated to be about six miles in diameter.

I suspect you'll never make one red cent in any area of science. Creationism/ID on the other hand...

Is that a typo? You mean 110 miles, not 10, dont you?

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Is that a typo? You mean 110 miles, not 10, dont you?

Yes, thank you.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

I have been educated...thanks. Luckily, I have a meteor blocking umbrella in my closet right beside my monkey-man finder and ozone hole looker...so I am good.

And there were dinosaurs. They walked with man before the Flood. Why were they not mentioned in the Bible? Again, not really all that important.

Why did they not walk with man after the flood? I thought Noah took two of each?

Any do you mean to say that a 100million megaton explosion that severely altered the earths atmosphere and climate for years was not noteworthy, but a talking ass was?

 

[Hespera]

I have been educated...thanks. Luckily, I have an meteor blocking umbrella in my closet right beside my monkey-man finder and ozone hole looker...so I am good.

And there were dinosaurs. They walked with man before the Flood. Why were they not mentioned in the Bible? Again, not really all that important.

If you ACTUALLY believe that people and dinosaurs lived the same time, I hardly know what to say, other than, if you didnt like someone to be condescending, dont make it so easy!

And, really, style wise, your snarky sarcasm is a poor poor substitute for either humour or argument.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

If you ACTUALLY believe that people and dinosaurs lived the same time, I hardly know what to say, other than, if you didnt like someone to be condescending, dont make it so easy!

And, really, style wise, your snarky sarcasm is a poor poor substitute for either humour or argument.

Yeah, I agree, AV is so much better at that.

 

[jpcedotal]

Yes, thank you.

should have wiki-ed it.

Look, I don't want to get into a "let's see who is smarter" contest. Evolution will never be proven and neither will Creationism. One deals with faith in man and the other deals with faith in God.

The key to me is simply this. The Bible talks about the time from only God to the creation of man in ONE chapter in the whole Bible. Sure there are other verses that refer back to this but God only used ONE for this time period. Why? Because it isn't what the Bible is all about. It is not all that important in the grand scheme of things. To me, this means don't sweat the small stuff.

Sure I like hearing all these man-made theories about something that will never be proven without a doubt...ever. And even if it was, it wouldn't mount to a hill of beans. To get all worked up about it, just doesn't seemed to make much sense to me.

Satan has been trying to make God disappear or at least become insignificant since the Garden, and so far man, with and without science, hasn't disproved one single word in the Bible and CLEARLY hasn't made God go away.

This is fun, but that is all it is.

 

[Naraoia]

Evolution is more fiction than science so maybe it is the "sci" that should be dropped.

I've seen this said so many times, but rarely (never?) have I seen a person who said that and actually understood evolution and the evidence behind it. Can you surprise me?

He could have just said later in the Pentatuech something like, "Ye thou shouldst worketh only six days, and on the seventh shall ye rest, because thou willdst be tired from working the previous six. Thou also willdst needeth to resteth at night from working hard all day as welleth..."

That paragraph hurt.

 

[jpcedotal]

If you ACTUALLY believe that people and dinosaurs lived the same time, I hardly know what to say, other than, if you didnt like someone to be condescending, dont make it so easy!

And, really, style wise, your snarky sarcasm is a poor poor substitute for either humour or argument.

No what bothered you is that I intentionally left myself out there one time and you bit, and now you're not sure when I am serious and when I am just working you up in a lather.

Is he really sharp or is he just another country-bumpkin (I am talking about myself here)?

But I absolutely love the word "snarky".

 

[sbvera13]

My bridge species terminology is meant to reflect the absence of anything becoming something else. Not as in caterpillar to butterfly, but as in a turtle turning into a frog or fish into a snake; let alone from monkey, fish or bird into man.

This seems to be a very common misconception. Evolution never says, and never has said, that any animal should turn into something else. In fact, if we ever did see an animal suddenly become another type of animal, it would be evidence for something else entirely: creation. A turtle giving birth to a frog would overnight turn evolution inside out and wipe it off the table; looking for that kind of thing in order to prove evolution is doing it backwards.

You see, evolution predicts slow, gradual change. Creation predicts the sudden appearance of new animals. So really, the very reason that you believe in creation is in fact disproving that same creation. The central issue is that you don't truly understand what evolution teaches.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Evolution will never be proven and neither will Creationism.

This is a Creationist/ID lie. ToE is proven. You need to accept the fact that creationists/IDists will lie and distort the truth. They are famous being deceptive, misrepresenting facts and quote mining to bolster their argument. They have never, ever, done anything remotely close to real science. Their fountainheads are run by diploma mill, hydrologist, lawyer mathemetician types, who wouldn't understand ToE if it bit them in their proverbial backside.

In fact, Phillip Johnson's movement "The Wedge" has as their objective, "to convince people that Darwinism is inherently atheistic, thus shifting the debate from creationism vs. evolution to the existence of God vs. the non-existence of God. From there people are introduced to the 'the truth' fo the Bible and then 'the question of sin' and finally 'introduced to Jesus.'" -Church and State Magazine, 1999.

 

[jpcedotal]

This is a Creationist/ID lie. ToE is proven. You need to accept the fact that creationists/IDists will lie and distort the truth. They are famous being deceptive, misrepresenting facts and quote mining to bolster their argument. They have never, ever, done anything remotely close to real science. Their fountainheads are run by diploma mill, hydrologist, lawyer mathemetician types, who would understand ToE if it bit them in their proverbial backside.

In fact, Phillip Johnson's movement "The Wedge" has as their objective, "to convince people that Darwinism is inherently atheistic, thus shifting the debate from creationism vs. evolution to the existence of God vs. the non-existence of God. From there people are introduced to the 'the truth' fo the Bible and then 'the question of sin' and finally 'introduced to Jesus.'" -Church and State Magazine, 1999.

We will just have to agree to disagree. None of that proves anything more than one person/group of people's opinion. Science constantly goes back and rewrites the fundamentals. In fact, if evolution was proven as you say then there would only be Creationist who disagreed, but that isn't the only two theories. Why haven't these other "worldly" groups jumped on board with Evolution with all this indisputable proof and left only us weirdos?

The Bible is constant, science is not.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

We will just have to agree to disagree. None of that proves anything more than one person/group of people's opinion. Science constantly goes back and rewrites the fundamentals. In fact, if evolution was proven as you say then there would only be Creationist who disagreed, but that isn't the only two theories. Why haven't these other "worldly" groups jumped on board with Evolution with all this indisputable proof and left only us weirdos?

The Bible is constant, science is not.

Name just one time where science went back and rewrote the "fundamentals."

BTW, it is only creationists who disagree with evolution (which is entirely different than falsifying ToE, which could be done if you were so inclined).
To a man, everyone (except Wells who is a Moonie) is an evangelical christian. Name just one real university that doesn't agree with ToE. Just one.

 

[sandwiches]

Evidence can be interpreted --- and interpreted incorrectly.

If you want us to abandon our faith in the Scriptures --- you'd better be convincing --- or no deal.

You didn't answer my questions and I'll assume it was by mistake. So, I'll repost my questions:

Do we have to have been there for us to have evidence of it having happened?

Not that I know of --- not according to Psalm 93:1.

From dictionary.com:

"1. Incapable of being moved; firmly fixed; fast; -- used of material things; as, an immovable foundatin. Immovable, infixed, and frozen round. --Milton.
2. Steadfast; fixed; unalterable; unchangeable; -- used of the mind or will; as, an immovable purpose, or a man who remain immovable.
3. Not capable of being affected or moved in feeling or by sympathy; unimpressible; impassive. --Dryden."
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So, your definition of immovable is not that of the English language?

 

[sandwiches]

We will just have to agree to disagree. None of that proves anything more than one person/group of people's opinion. Science constantly goes back and rewrites the fundamentals. In fact, if evolution was proven as you say then there would only be Creationist who disagreed, but that isn't the only two theories. Why haven't these other "worldly" groups jumped on board with Evolution with all this indisputable proof and left only us weirdos?

The Bible is constant, science is not.

Do you really believe that science is just making up stuff?