The "sex" in Homosexuality is what's wrong.

[Polycarp_fan]

Well, of course it's homosexual sex that is the issue. You know why? It's because so many Christians are hung up on sex, either in a puritanical or taboo sense or a 'someone else is getting what I want' sense. Or, to win favor with God. Seriously!

Gay, Lesbian and Bi-Sexual are ALL declarations of sex acts and sexual behavior. We Christians are all grown up now. It is they who defined themselves by their sex acts. It's just a discernable fact. As you prove below.

Consider this ...no one actually sees the sex that is supposedly 'going on' because it's something that is only imagined.

You must have extreme myopia and never get out of your house. There's no way you have to imagine ANYTHING that culture does sexually. They literally parade it down the street.

And, if someone should be sneaking around someone's bedroom then there's a special word beginning with 'p' that aptly describes them.

Progressive? How many Fundies are running porn sites?

In some cases I firmly believe (I have a degree in social science ...whoopee!) that Christians actually require what they perceive to be evil in others in order to fulfill some personal inner need.

Pop psychology is almost a dime a dozen degree these days. If you don't know what to major in, VOILA, psyche major!

Again, seriously! In fact, at least one such person on this forum participates in these type issues constantly. He/she NEEDS homosexuality (or some other 'perceived evil' if not homosexuality) in order to affirm his/her own status with a Being that they believe will favor them as long as they are seen to be actively condemning it.

Jude is dead. His writings are what is used here. Same goes for Peter and Paul.

It's kinda like one's taking an apple to the teacher in order to be liked. Just think about it.

No comment.

Well, you would no doubt be aware that quite a number of men and women (who were always 'gay' but gave the illusion to society that they were not) married and produced families over a period of many years before 'coming out'.

Then they were scientifically not homosexual. According to homosexuals, there is no desire for the opposite sex. make up your mind guys.

So, since they have already 'done their bit', so to speak, of procreating is it now okay (with you anyway) that they engage in same sex intimacy? If not, why not?

Pagans and tax collectors can do as they wilteth. Christians cannot encourage people to sin. Per Jesus with a big shaped stone in his hand.

I have no idea. What I do know is that just about everything I see on TV nowadays is indecent and corrupt. And, the only reason it's on TV and stays on TV is because the majority of the noble and virtuous public are fine with it.

Not on the 700 Club, The Gospel Channel or TBN. They are cable channels on TV. Why is a Christian watching MTV, HBO, Showtime, Cinemax and network programming? Unless of course it's for learning how to reach a lost world?

 

[quatona]

I really do not to label people. At least I try not to-- to the very best of my ability. Homosexual sex is the issue and should be considered the evil. Women who enjoy playing football and men who love to style hair are not the focus nor a concern in the least.

The real issue is the abuse of sex for any purpose other than the encouragement of trying to make babies in a marriage setting. That lumps fornicators, adulterers, and and the get drunk and have sex crowd all in the very same boat with people who engage in any same sex intimacy.

Yes, right. If you disregard the existence of colours there´ll be only black and white left. Well done.

 

[David Brider]

Gay, Lesbian and Bi-Sexual are ALL declarations of sex acts and sexual behavior.

No - as you've been told on many occasions, they're "declarations" of sexual orientation (who a person's physically/romantically attracted to), not (or at least not necessarily) sexual behaviour (who a person's having sex with).

David.

 

[brightmorningstar]

This is a very good post LittleNipper,
At the heart of the issue is that homosexual is a sexual attraction. The big deception that is made is that it isnt about sex but love. Clearly if it was about love it would be homoloving and not homosexual.
A relationship that is restricted to a specific sex is sexual, a friendship has no such restrictions.
What has made Romans 1 even clearer tome is people don’t see this or don’t want to acknowledge it, so they must have been given over to wrong thinking. But as discussions have shown it tests right. Not least that a homosexual couple couple reproduce, providing they are a gay man and a lesbian woman, homosexual just means they don’t want to. So the whole thinking is based on what people want rather than reality.

Now the responses are just denial of reality.

Sex has not been solely for the purpose of procreation since, well, since we were mentally capable of feeling pleasure.

Yet unprotected sexual intercourse by default leads to procreation whether there is pleasure or not. Sadly we have moved so far from the truth as to imagine sex is whatever sexual stimulation one feels. The traditional understanding is that the human species has two sexes which sexually reproduce, now sex is seen as anything that stimulates sexual arousal.
When everything has to be for fun, that’s when people have to find ways of minimising the consequences.

 

[Veyrlian]

So I take it you're not heterosexual either, but heteroloving.

 

[brightmorningstar]

To mewi,

I just love your complete lack of respect for those that are homosexual, IE me, we also call ourselves lesbian/gay, oh but I guess you forgot that! I guess you forgot that we have children, we are living beings, and that we have lives of our own that are comparable to your own.

people that are homosexual? I don’t accept that, sure there are people who have same sex attraction but there is no consensus of scientific opinion as to people ‘being’ homosexual.
God made all people and we should respect each other in that. I respect you as a person, I dont respect your views necessarily.

 

[brightmorningstar]

To Verylian,

So I take it you're not heterosexual either, but heteroloving.

neither. I am a married man who is to love all people.

 

[David Brider]

This is a very good post LittleNipper,
At the heart of the issue is that homosexual is a sexual attraction. The big deception that is made is that it isnt about sex but love. Clearly if it was about love it would be homoloving and not homosexual.

As I've pointed out to you on many occasions before, when you write stuff like this you demonstrate a serious lack of understanding of what "homosexual" means. Specifically, the "sex" bit of "homosexual" doesn't refer (as you seem to think) to the act of having sex, but instead refers to gender. So "homo-sexual" means "same-gender" - i.e., a homosexual is attracted to people of the same gender as him or herself. That attraction can include sexual attraction (i.e. the desire for sexual intimacy with the other person), but also romantic and physical attraction as well as other forms of attraction (two of the reasons I'm attracted to my fiancee are that she's a Christian and she has a good sense of humour; I'm not sure what you'd describe those attractions as?). So there is a part of homosexual attraction that is about sex, but most same-gender relationships, like most opposite-gender relationships, are (I would hope, at least) based on a foundation of mutual love, and respect, and yes, attraction. There's no validity in declaring the relationships of most couples, same-gender or opposite-gender, to be "all about sex, not love".

David.

 

[David Brider]

To Verylian,
neither. I am a married man who is to love all people.

However, you love your wife in a different way to that in which you love the people in your church fellowship.

At least I'd hope you do...

David.

 

[David Brider]

To mewi,
people that are homosexual? I don’t accept that, sure there are people who have same sex attraction but there is no consensus of scientific opinion as to people ‘being’ homosexual.

People who "have same sex attraction" are homosexual - that's what the word means! To say that you accept that there are people who have same-sex attraction but you don't accept that they're homosexual shows that you really don't understand what you're talking about.

And whilst science hasn't established as yet why people are homosexual, it has established that people are homosexual, by showing people stimulating images (use your imagination) and measuring their state of arousal.

David.

 

[brightmorningstar]

To mewi,

Actually, there is consensus that there definitely is homosexuality, and it is generally infact caused by genetics, the problem is that it is not defined by any single genetic marker.

It is the outcome of many genetic differences. While we have not found those exactly all genetic markers, we have also not found what multiple genes cause eye color, hair color, our nose to be a certain shape etc... All of which are clear genetic. So please do not make that useless argument.

Whose we?

The APA recently stated ..
"There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors. Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles...."

You may wish to ask yourself that with so many genes identified as markers why a homosexual one hasn’t been found and why no one is looking for a straight one.

If you really want to know the truth, just ask someone who is homosexual, and they'll tell you that it is not a choice, why would we choose hatred and discrimination? That makes no sense, I tell you now that I am not masochistic.

If you want to know the truth see what God says and recognise reality.

Yeah Yeah, love the sinner not the sin right? What you call "my views" is something that makes up who I am.

According to you, that’s why you are offended by lack of perceived respect, but there is no proven evidence for what you are saying. If you applied the same to say thieves who felt that was their identity then you would have to love theft as well. Unless of course everybody else had to accept your worldview.

 

[brightmorningstar]

To David Brider,
At the heart of the issue is that homosexual is a sexual attraction. The big deception that is made is that it isnt about sex but love. Clearly if it was about love it would be homoloving and not homosexual.

As I've pointed out to you on many occasions before, when you write stuff like this you demonstrate a serious lack of understanding of what "homosexual" means.

As I have explained to you on many occasions before I demonstrate I do know.

Specifically, the "sex" bit of "homosexual" doesn't refer (as you seem to think) to the act of having sex, but instead refers to gender.

So your very first statement shows you haven’t understood what the argument is. Homosexual means same sex attraction, so what is the attraction to the same sex if not sexual. Otherwise why mention it?

That attraction can include sexual attraction (i.e. the desire for sexual intimacy with the other person), but also romantic and physical attraction as well as other forms of attraction (two of the reasons I'm attracted to my fiancee are that she's a Christian and she has a good sense of humour; I'm not sure what you'd describe those attractions as?).

You see this is nonsense. The attraction of someone having a good sense of humour isn’t limited by the sex of the person. Both a female and a male can have a good sense of humour that one is attracted to. So its not the same as a same sex attraction.
I have pointed this out to you before.

So there is a part of homosexual attraction that is about sex, but most same-gender relationships, like most opposite-gender relationships, are (I would hope, at least) based on a foundation of mutual love, and respect, and yes, attraction.

No, love isn’t restricted to only one sex, so love is irrelevant to homosexual and heterosexual, someone with a same sex attraction can love someone with a opposite sex attraction. Nothing to do with love.

 

[lisah]

The real issue is the abuse of sex for any purpose other than the encouragement of trying to make babies in a marriage setting.

Now hold on there LittleNipper...

Are you suggesting that once a woman is past her child-bearing years, she is not to have sexual relations with her husband?

And you do not object to same-sex relationships as long as sexual relations do not occur?


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Oh mercy sakes. *laughs* I could either be married to a man and be celebate, or married to a woman and be celebate. *laughs*

Someone trade me in for a newer model, eh? *laughs*

 

[KCKID]

To mewi,

Whose we?

The APA recently stated ..
"There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors. Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles...."

Was the above included to make some sort of valid point? Do you not realize by now, bms, that homosexual people don't require officially sanctioned proof that they ARE what they SAY they are?

You may wish to ask yourself that with so many genes identified as markers why a homosexual one hasn’t been found and why no one is looking for a straight one.

Is that somehow supposed to make a homosexual person have second thoughts about being a homosexual? Are they supposed to put their sexual orientation 'on hold' until science gives them the yay or nay?

If you want to know the truth see what God says and recognise reality.

This is the same God that commands insolent children to be put to death, right? How long before Christians recognize reality and start to do it? We have a lot of those nasty varmints running around here terrorizing the neighborhood. Oh, that's right ...that was one of the commands that don't apply to Christians. How remiss of me.

According to you, that’s why you are offended by lack of perceived respect, but there is no proven evidence for what you are saying. If you applied the same to say thieves who felt that was their identity then you would have to love theft as well. Unless of course everybody else had to accept your worldview.

I just love the arrogance and piousness behind those that claim they are filled with the Holy Spirit. Dear reader, doesn't it make you want some of this infilling yourself?

Let me ask you a question, bms. Do you see homosexuals as being heterosexuals with an evil agenda? Please don't beat around the bush with rhetoric. A straight answer is all I ask. Anyone else feel free to respond.

 

[Freodin]

So your very first statement shows you haven’t understood what the argument is. Homosexual means same sex attraction, so what is the attraction to the same sex if not sexual. Otherwise why mention it?

Perhaps because it´s greek/latin, and not english?

 

[IzzyPop]

Gay, Lesbian and Bi-Sexual are ALL declarations of sex acts and sexual behavior. We Christians are all grown up now. It is they who defined themselves by their sex acts. It's just a discernable fact. As you prove below.

Wrong. It is a declaration of orientation. This has been pointed out to you on several occasions. Can a celibate person be heterosexual? Does one same sex experience make you homosexual?

You must have extreme myopia and never get out of your house. There's no way you have to imagine ANYTHING that culture does sexually. They literally parade it down the street.

I see much more heterosexual sex than homosexual sex. Watch TV, go to Mardi Gras, hit up Fantasy Fest, 3/4th of my spam. All heterosexual sex parading down the street or into my living room.

Progressive? How many Fundies are running porn sites?

How many are visiting porn sites? Utah has the highest porn site members per capita of the US. Bible Belt states are higher than the atheist Northeast and Northwest.

Pop psychology is almost a dime a dozen degree these days. If you don't know what to major in, VOILA, psyche major!



Jude is dead. His writings are what is used here. Same goes for Peter and Paul.



No comment.



Then they were scientifically not homosexual. According to homosexuals, there is no desire for the opposite sex. make up your mind guys.

You have no idea what you are talking about. They would be 'scientifically homosexual' provided that they were attracted to the same sex, regardless of who they are sleeping with. The whole 'married to the opposite sex, but a closet homosexual' thing is more and more a thing of the past. Because people are more open and accepting, people don't feel they need to lie about who they are and marry someone simply for appearances. This would be a good thing. Less broken homes and all.

Pagans and tax collectors can do as they wilteth. Christians cannot encourage people to sin. Per Jesus with a big shaped stone in his hand.

So people that tell lies for Jesus are not really Christians?

Not on the 700 Club, The Gospel Channel or TBN. They are cable channels on TV. Why is a Christian watching MTV, HBO, Showtime, Cinemax and network programming? Unless of course it's for learning how to reach a lost world?

I find the 700 Club, The Gospel Channel, and TBN to be dens of greed and hate. From Robertson and his diamond mines, vitamin sales, and pure phophetic hate to Benny Hinn and his 'love gifts' and 'seed offerings' from the poor. They are what is wrong with the country, not two men kissing.

 

[Psudopod]

To David Brider,
At the heart of the issue is that homosexual is a sexual attraction. The big deception that is made is that it isnt about sex but love. Clearly if it was about love it would be homoloving and not homosexual.
As I've pointed out to you on many occasions before, when you write stuff like this you demonstrate a serious lack of understanding of what "homosexual" means.
As I have explained to you on many occasions before I demonstrate I do know.

The fact that you write things like the statement above shows you really do not.

Specifically, the "sex" bit of "homosexual" doesn't refer (as you seem to think) to the act of having sex, but instead refers to gender.

So your very first statement shows you haven’t understood what the argument is. Homosexual means same sex attraction, so what is the attraction to the same sex if not sexual. Otherwise why mention it?

Do you know what a transsexual is? Someone who changes gender. Nothing to do with sexual intercourse.

That attraction can include sexual attraction (i.e. the desire for sexual intimacy with the other person), but also romantic and physical attraction as well as other forms of attraction (two of the reasons I'm attracted to my fiancee are that she's a Christian and she has a good sense of humour; I'm not sure what you'd describe those attractions as?).

You see this is nonsense. The attraction of someone having a good sense of humour isn’t limited by the sex of the person. Both a female and a male can have a good sense of humour that one is attracted to. So its not the same as a same sex attraction.
I have pointed this out to you before.

Now you are showing that you don’t know what attraction is. A good sense of humour in a man may be part of what makes him attractive to me, but I will not feel the same reaction from a woman with the same humour.

So there is a part of homosexual attraction that is about sex, but most same-gender relationships, like most opposite-gender relationships, are (I would hope, at least) based on a foundation of mutual love, and respect, and yes, attraction.

No, love isn’t restricted to only one sex, so love is irrelevant to homosexual and heterosexual, someone with a same sex attraction can love someone with a opposite sex attraction. Nothing to do with love.

Are you trying to claim that two people who are the same sex cannot fell love for each other?

 

[KCKID]

Now hold on there LittleNipper...

Are you suggesting that once a woman is past her child-bearing years, she is not to have sexual relations with her husband?

Nope. She's done her thing. Now it's time for her to quit because sex has NOW become something evil. Haven't you caught on to the rules yet?

And you do not object to same-sex relationships as long as sexual relations do not occur?

That's out too. Anyone who even casts so much as a mischievous glance toward someone of the same sex obviously has an evil agenda that needs to be nipped in the bud ...if you will excuse the expression. There has to be an acceptable distance between any male/female and another male/female. I think it's about 3 feet. Anything within that distance is considered to be sexual and therefore condemned. There are strict guidelines to follow here.

 

[wanderingone]

The real issue is the abuse of sex for any purpose other than the encouragement of trying to make babies in a marriage setting.

Well geez since we have no ability to make any babies my husband and I better stop having sex.

Your restrictions on sexuality are your own, they have nothing to do with the sexual behavior of those who don't believe as you do. So since you believe sex for reasons other than procreation is wrong then mind what you do with your penis and leave the actions of others to their own conscience.

 

[Veyrlian]

To mewi,

According to you, that’s why you are offended by lack of perceived respect, but there is no proven evidence for what you are saying. If you applied the same to say thieves who felt that was their identity then you would have to love theft as well. Unless of course everybody else had to accept your worldview.

How is that a valid comparison? No one is asking you to love homosexuality, just homosexuals.
What people are hoping, is that you'd come to understand that homosexuality does exist, that it is not just something people make up to annoy God-loving Christians.
What we are also hoping, is that as you claim to love all people, that some of this love could be seen through your actions and words. Perhaps you could show some respect to other people and kindness to those who are different?