right to die

[annrobert]

I have been reading that same places are passing laws on the right to die.
I am wondering what people think about a persons right to die?
Is it okay or wrong,in cases of longterm suffering?

 

[jayem]

I'm not sure if there is a right to die, per se. But competent adults have a right to direct their medical care, which includes refusing life-extending treatment. They have a moral right to be given, or to take pain relieving medication on their own, even if that results in their lives being shortened or ended. But physicians have a moral right to refuse to prescribe such medication, if doing so violates their consciences. Though they should refer a patient to another provider in such cases.

 

[Penumbra]

Well I don't think I have the right to tell other people that they don't have a right to die, so I guess I'm for the right to die.

 

[Maren]

I definitely am in favor of a "right to die". Though I do think there should be protections so that the only people who can legally exercise the right are those that are terminally ill and typically with overwhelming pain. Though I can also see allowing people to get an assisted suicide in cases where they are terminally ill and don't want to leave thousands of dollars in medical bills for their family to pay.

I'd also like protections for people to keep people who are terminal from being encouraged/forced to have an assisted suicide; that we make sure it is their decision and not something they've been pushed into.

 

[liftmeup]

There is no such thing as a right to die. It is an obligation! Regarding assisted suicide, or euthanasia I am totally against it. It violates the sanctity of life. There was a recent case in the UK news about a young lad who had been paralysed in a rugby accident and was stuck in a wheelchair. He decided to go to a suicide clinic in Switzerland and end his life. His parents took him! How tragic and meaningless is this?! If such 'services' were not available there is a good chance that lad would still be alive and over the emotional trauma of his accident. The fact that this issue is all over the newspapers now tells me that the agenda is in place and we are in the period of acclimatisation, before it is permitted in our law. The same thing happened for abortion, gay marriage, women priests etc.

It also strikes me as 'odd' the way these days, our civil rights are being restricted in all sorts of areas, and yet issues like 'the right to die' are being promoted. Hmm - what on earth we doin'?

At the end of a person's life there comes a point where there is no point continuing treatment but this is merely medical ethics and not a decision for suicide on the patient's part, or murder on the doctor's part. It comes only after all avenues for treatment have been exhausted and natural death is inevitable.

 

[annrobert]

The case with the young lad is extremely tragic.I think his emotions would have healed form the trauma after being assured of being deeply loved and valued and taught skills as well as therapy and he could have gone on to have a fulfilling life.I do not understand how the parents could do that,it is beyond my comprehension.But what about a person with ongoing deep suffering that limits their ability to meet the needs of their loved ones properly.If they have exhausted all reasonable efforts to get well, and have thought through everything carefully and have decided that this is the route to go.Is it wrong?Is it catergorized as the same as abortion?Is the right to die only acceptable at the end of life?How close to the end of life is close enough?is the right to die always wrong,or is it okay in certain circumstances such as ongoing extreme suffering?

There is no such thing as a right to die. It is an obligation! Regarding assisted suicide, or euthanasia I am totally against it. It violates the sanctity of life. There was a recent case in the UK news about a young lad who had been paralysed in a rugby accident and was stuck in a wheelchair. He decided to go to a suicide clinic in Switzerland and end his life. His parents took him! How tragic and meaningless is this?! If such 'services' were not available there is a good chance that lad would still be alive and over the emotional trauma of his accident. The fact that this issue is all over the newspapers now tells me that the agenda is in place and we are in the period of acclimatisation, before it is permitted in our law. The same thing happened for abortion, gay marriage, women priests etc.

It also strikes me as 'odd' the way these days, our civil rights are being restricted in all sorts of areas, and yet issues like 'the right to die' are being promoted. Hmm - what on earth we doin'?

At the end of a person's life there comes a point where there is no point continuing treatment but this is merely medical ethics and not a decision for suicide on the patient's part, or murder on the doctor's part. It comes only after all avenues for treatment have been exhausted and natural death is inevitable.

 

[annrobert]

I'm not sure if there is a right to die, per se. But competent adults have a right to direct their medical care, which includes refusing life-extending treatment. They have a moral right to be given, or to take pain relieving medication on their own, even if that results in their lives being shortened or ended. But physicians have a moral right to refuse to prescribe such medication, if doing so violates their consciences. Though they should refer a patient to another provider in such cases.

So then this is a persons moral right,correct.I mean to end ongoing suffering?

Well I don't think I have the right to tell other people that they don't have a right to die, so I guess I'm for the right to die.

So do you mean for any reason whatever?

I'd also like protections for people to keep people who are terminal from being encouraged/forced to have an assisted suicide; that we make sure it is their decision and not something they've been pushed into.

I see what you are saying here,how could the protections be put into place and how would be enforce the protections and be sure they were being followed?

 

[Penumbra]

So do you mean for any reason whatever?

If an otherwise healthy person wants to kill themselves, I think they should be stopped and hospitalized. It seems that most people who desire to commit suicide are happy they didn't later on, so it's important to stop people from doing things in passion.

But if a physically healthy person is truly set on dying over a long period of time and won't take no for an answer, they'll find a way eventually.

For terminally suffering people, which your thread is about, they may not have the ability to end their own lives, unlike someone with a healthy body can.

 

[green wolverine]

There is no such thing as a right to die. It is an obligation! Regarding assisted suicide, or euthanasia I am totally against it. It violates the sanctity of life. There was a recent case in the UK news about a young lad who had been paralysed in a rugby accident and was stuck in a wheelchair. He decided to go to a suicide clinic in Switzerland and end his life. His parents took him! How tragic and meaningless is this?! If such 'services' were not available there is a good chance that lad would still be alive and over the emotional trauma of his accident. The fact that this issue is all over the newspapers now tells me that the agenda is in place and we are in the period of acclimatisation, before it is permitted in our law. The same thing happened for abortion, gay marriage, women priests etc.

It also strikes me as 'odd' the way these days, our civil rights are being restricted in all sorts of areas, and yet issues like 'the right to die' are being promoted. Hmm - what on earth we doin'?

At the end of a person's life there comes a point where there is no point continuing treatment but this is merely medical ethics and not a decision for suicide on the patient's part, or murder on the doctor's part. It comes only after all avenues for treatment have been exhausted and natural death is inevitable.

Pretty soon there's going to be an obligation to die so you aren't a burden on your family. This is yet another step towards euthanasia.

 

[Penumbra]

Pretty soon there's going to be an obligation to die so you aren't a burden on your family. This is yet another step towards euthanasia.

An obligation to die would be pretty horrible.

 

[visionary]

Let me talk about how you are not worthy to live, and how you are a nobody, and should just go out and kill yourself,.. etc.. then am even willing to take you to the clinic where they will do it for you.. after all a sick mind, is not a heathy person.

 

[The Nihilist]

There is no such thing as a right to die. It is an obligation! Regarding assisted suicide, or euthanasia I am totally against it. It violates the sanctity of life. There was a recent case in the UK news about a young lad who had been paralysed in a rugby accident and was stuck in a wheelchair. He decided to go to a suicide clinic in Switzerland and end his life. His parents took him! How tragic and meaningless is this?!

His life was already tragic and meaningless. Death is preferable to wasting away, it is preferable to a ruined, feeble, castrated life.

 

[The Nihilist]

Pretty soon there's going to be an obligation to die so you aren't a burden on your family. This is yet another step towards euthanasia.

Pfff, under those circumstances, anyone with dignity would prefer death so that he didn't embarrass himself. Better to remembered as proud and strong than as an empty shell of one's former self.

 

[annrobert]

If an otherwise healthy person wants to kill themselves, I think they should be stopped and hospitalized. It seems that most people who desire to commit suicide are happy they didn't later on, so it's important to stop people from doing things in passion.

But if a physically healthy person is truly set on dying over a long period of time and won't take no for an answer, they'll find a way eventually.

For terminally suffering people, which your thread is about, they may not have the ability to end their own lives, unlike someone with a healthy body can.

Okay,I see what your saying here.

 

[annrobert]

His life was already tragic and meaningless. Death is preferable to wasting away, it is preferable to a ruined, feeble, castrated life.

not so,not so at all.

 

[The Nihilist]

not so,not so at all.

You wouldn't understand; it's a guy thing, and it has been since before Cronus lopped of the business of his father, Ouranos.

 

[annrobert]

Let me talk about how you are not worthy to live, and how you are a nobody, and should just go out and kill yourself,.. etc.. then am even willing to take you to the clinic where they will do it for you.. after all a sick mind, is not a heathy person.

Are you saying you agree with this or disagree with it?

You wouldn't understand; it's a guy thing, and it has been since before Cronus lopped of the business of his father, Ouranos

That child had every reason to live and be strong and know that he was loved and valuable and strong and had much to offer.He needed to be taught this by his parents who for some strange reason seemed to be lacking in love.Why didn't they fight for their own son?

 

[The Nihilist]

That child had every reason to live and be strong and know that he was loved and valuable and strong and had much to offer.He needed to be taught this by his parents who for some strange reason seemed to be lacking in love.Why didn't they fight for their own son?

Because he was proud and dignified, and his parents understood that.

 

[IzzyPop]

That child had every reason to live and be strong and know that he was loved and valuable and strong and had much to offer.He needed to be taught this by his parents who for some strange reason seemed to be lacking in love.Why didn't they fight for their own son?

Rather than fight to keep him living a life he had no desire to continue, they allowed him an exit with some form of dignity intact. To call them 'lacking in love' merely demonstrates your lack of understanding of what love is.

 

[annrobert]

Rather than fight to keep him living a life he had no desire to continue, they allowed him an exit with some form of dignity intact. To call them 'lacking in love' merely demonstrates your lack of understanding of what love is.

The lad was not lacking in dignity,nor would he have ever had to lack dignity.Dignity is in character,not if a person can walk.He had lots to offer the world.It is only his own mind that needed to overcome the idea that dignity has to do with being able to walk.He could have lived out his life with full dignity.His love of life could have been restored with teaching about his worth and dignity in who he was and his value as a person.
Love bears all things,believes all things ,hopes all things,endures all things,love never fails.
Love is longsuffering and kind.
Everyone of us could learn more about love,cetainly I could.