What About Those Who Never Heard?

[70x7]

Jesus said He would reveal Himself to anyone who seeks.

The original question is one of those "set-up" type questions in my opinion because that implies that people are always oblivious until otherwise told. God has purposely put the desire in mans heart to seek Him out. From there, it is a choice whether to accept or deny.
What about 3rd world countries or backwood types that have no churches or "Bible thumping crazies" running around preaching the end of the world, you ask? This goes back to the search within. This is not a new situation and throughout time civilization has been on a quest to find thier 'purpose'. With an honest intent, they will find the answer.
The text in Romans saying "..none shall have excuse" is saying just that. Have they actually looked? Have they looked and did not like the answer because it wasn't pleasing to self? Maybe they never bothered to look. Neither one of those situations gives you the legitamite "excuse" to turn your back.

Remember Jesus also said, "you are also for Me or against Me"

 

[simonthezealot]

That's a lot of words! Sorry, but I don't believe in your doctrine.

All die in Adam and All are made alive in Christ.

Who didn't die in Adam?

They aren't my words they are scripture... and they are fact its a cornering that armininian and catholic or should i say semi-pelagian and pelagians can't get out of.

 

[simonthezealot]

That's a lot of words! Sorry, but I don't believe in your doctrine.

All die in Adam and All are made alive in Christ.

Who didn't die in Adam?

Hi terry...

 

[Eucharistic Adoration]

They aren't my words they are scripture... and they are fact its a cornering that armininian and catholic or should i say semi-pelagian and pelagians can't get out of.

You didn't answer my question. Who didn't die in Adam?

 

[simonthezealot]

You didn't answer my question. Who didn't die in Adam?

All humans need a savior!
You misunderstand terry, go back and read my post again.

 

[ArcticFox]

The Catholic Church does not teach universal salvation, but it refuses to judge those who die in ignorance of Jesus. The bible leaves the door open for God's grace in these circumstances, based in part on the passages I posted.

Why is it that you created a diversion rather than addressing the verses I posted? Could it be because it exposes the flaw in your interpretation.....

What is this "diversion" you mentioned? I don't know what you're referring to.

Could it be that you are purposefully reveling in your mistaken notion of yourself as being right, and that it gives you a slight perverse pleasure to think you have "bested" me? Humility fail.

No, it doesn't expose any flaw. None of the verses you listed speak of salvation, which I have already mentioned. Don't try to take pleasure from thinking you've "beaten" someone.

 

[ArcticFox]

Care to know a popular "extra-biblical belief" which many "Bible-believing" people subscribe to?

That they themselves can determine who is or shall be 'saved'. That is, there is this popular notion that one can determine the salvation of another purely based upon the Scriptures.

That is an 'extra-biblical belief' which many 'Bible-believers' subscribe to. No where does it read that another who is not God can determine the salvation of another. Yet, many "Bible believers" believe this "extra-biblical belief".

Makes you wonder, don't it?

What is the purpose of bringing up this tangential issue? Are you merely trying to show that some Protestants have "extra-biblical beliefs?" Yes, I'm well aware of that, I pointed it out in this very thread with the Protestants who disagree with me.

And no, I don't think I can determine the salvation of another. Please start a new thread, or stay on topic. That's my personal request. It does not help to bring up tangents.

 

[Eucharistic Adoration]

What is this "diversion" you mentioned? I don't know what you're referring to.

Could it be that you are purposefully reveling in your mistaken notion of yourself as being right, and that it gives you a slight perverse pleasure to think you have "bested" me? Humility fail.

No, it doesn't expose any flaw. None of the verses you listed speak of salvation, which I have already mentioned. Don't try to take pleasure from thinking you've "beaten" someone.

Still spinning. Oh well.

 

[E.C.]

What is the purpose of breaking up this tangential issue? Are you merely trying to show that some Protestants have "extra-biblical beliefs?" Yes, I'm well aware of that, I pointed it out in this very thread with the Protestants who disagree with me.

And no, I don't think I can determine the salvation of another. Please start a new thread, or stay on topic. That's my personal request. It does not help to bring up tangents.

Thank you, you have just shown your own hypocrisy

 

[Doveaman]

Jesus said : " I am the way, the truth and the life, noone comes to the Father but by me."
How do people who never heard about Jesus get saved?

Romans 1:20 says "For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse"
this verse condems only atheists and Buddists but all other people believe in some kind of Creator and according to Rom 1:20 the nature speaks about The Creator, but the nature can't explain that Jesus Christ is the Son of God who died for the sins of the world.

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.

For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities — his eternal power and divine nature — have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse...Rom 1:18-20.

It says that nature reveals God's "truth". Jesus is the "truth". So maybe nature does reveal Jesus. After all, men will experience God "wrath" for rejecting that "truth" as revealed through nature; they are "without excuse".

 

[ArcticFox]

Still spinning. Oh well.

Both you and E.C. offered nothing of value to the discussion.

These are merely games you are playing. Please state what you want to know, what you want to say, or what you want clarified.

As it is now, you are both just playing games that are in no way helpful to the discussion. You are contributing nothing.

Please, what is your take on this issue or my theological position on those who have never heard?

 

[E.C.]

Both you and E.C. offered nothing of value to the discussion.

Nah, you just can't see the other sides of the fences

These are merely games you are playing. Please state what you want to know, what you want to say, or what you want clarified.

As it is now, you are both just playing games that are in no way helpful to the discussion. You are contributing nothing.

Please, what is your take on this issue or my theological position on those who have never heard?

I've already stated mine. Look for it.

 

[Eucharistic Adoration]

Both you and E.C. offered nothing of value to the discussion.

These are merely games you are playing. Please state what you want to know, what you want to say, or what you want clarified.

As it is now, you are both just playing games that are in no way helpful to the discussion. You are contributing nothing.

Please, what is your take on this issue or my theological position on those who have never heard?

You are the one who brought up the straw dog of universal salvation then refused to answer my question.

You claimed that God limits his mercy to fit your understanding.

 

[E.C.]

You are the one who brought up the straw dog of universal salvation then refused to answer my question.

You claimed that God limits his mercy to fit your understanding.

Common Protestant thought, eh?

The whole "I'll read this Bible here and decide how the world shall be according to my own will".

Brings to mind the whole Hindu notion of "I am my own god". Or the Mormon notion of "I'll get my own planet".

 

[Eucharistic Adoration]

Common Protestant though, eh?

The whole "I'll read this Bible here and decide how the world shall be according to my own will".

Brings to mind the whole Hindu notion of "I am my own god". Or the Mormon notion of "I'll get my own planet".

Perhaps they should get their own bible!

 

[E.C.]

Perhaps they should get their own bible!

Hopefully one with all the books!

 

[ArcticFox]

Common Protestant thought, eh?

The whole "I'll read this Bible here and decide how the world shall be according to my own will".

Brings to mind the whole Hindu notion of "I am my own god". Or the Mormon notion of "I'll get my own planet".

God would be so proud of your mockery.

Mocking others in the name of Christ.

FAIL.

 

[Secundulus]

MOD HAT ON

Please stop the Protestant/Orthodox and Protestant/Catholic flamefest. Both sides are guilty.​

Stay on topic and keep to edifying discussion.

MOD HAT OFF​

 

[Eucharistic Adoration]

Please, what is your take on this issue or my theological position on those who have never heard?

I responded with scripture, which you never addressed. You diverted the discussion by claiming I was supporting universal salvation.

 

[E.C.]

God would be so proud of your mockery.

Mocking others in the name of Christ.

FAIL.

"Holy Anger" is something often ignored these days...