Is the Catholic Papacy an Anti-Christ?

[CaliforniaJosiah]

I can't believe this is even a serious topic of discussion. Wow, talk about schoolyard religiosity.

Read your denomination's history; over the centuries, you'll discover LOTS of pretty amazing things were "discussed."

This isssue is brought up OFTEN around CF - in nearly all cases by the Catholics (this case, is one of the very rare exceptions). But, what I desired to point out, is the CONTEXT of this 500 year old comment - because when the Catholics bring it up, they don't seem to know that context. TODAY, the "anti-Christ" is usually equated with the Man of Lawlessness and other figures associated with the Last Times - often from the Book of Revelation. From what I understand, this was not how the "anti-christ" concept embraced by some early Protestants was meant. The term comes ONLY from First and Second John and is mentioned 4 times - never in the context of the Last Times or Eschatology. Fortunately for us, John actually defines the term for us: it refers to one who denies that Jesus is THE Christ/Savior. THAT is the sense in which these original Protestants (all former Catholics, most with advanced degrees in Catholicism from Catholic universities) meant this. They understood (correctly or not) that Catholicism in the 16th century taught that OUR works play a role in our salvation - thus (they argued) Jesus is not THE Christ/Savior but PART Christ/Savior (we being the other part) - a "cooperative" salvation of Jesus does His part, we do ours, and TOGETHER we are the Savior is a denial of JESUS as THE Savior. Now, one might disagree, but that was the understanding; at least as it has been explained to me.




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[LittleLambofJesus]

...........The term comes ONLY from First and Second John and is mentioned 4 times - never in the context of the Last Times or Eschatology...........

Not sure I understand what you mean there bro. What the heck do you make of 1 John 2:18

1 John 2:18 Little-children, last Hour it-is and according-as ye hear that the anti-christ is coming/ercetai <2064> (5736). and now anti-christs, many, have become whence we are knowing that last Hour it-is.

Reve 9:12 The woe the one departs, behold! is coming/ercetai <2064> (5736) still two woes after these

 

[Standing Up]

Not sure I understand what you mean there bro. What the heck do you make of 1 John 2:18

1 John 2:18 Little-children, last Hour it-is and according-as ye hear that the anti-christ is coming/ercetai <2064> (5736). and now anti-christs, many, have become whence we are knowing that last Hour it-is.

Reve 9:12 The woe the one departs, behold! is coming/ercetai <2064> (5736) still two woes after these

Right, see my post #95.

 

[stranger]

Read your denomination's history; over the centuries, you'll discover LOTS of pretty amazing things were "discussed."

This isssue is brought up OFTEN around CF - in nearly all cases by the Catholics (this case, is one of the very rare exceptions). But, what I desired to point out, is the CONTEXT of this 500 year old comment - because when the Catholics bring it up, they don't seem to know that context. TODAY, the "anti-Christ" is usually equated with the Man of Lawlessness and other figures associated with the Last Times - often from the Book of Revelation. From what I understand, this was not how the "anti-christ" concept embraced by some early Protestants was meant. The term comes ONLY from First and Second John and is mentioned 4 times - never in the context of the Last Times or Eschatology. Fortunately for us, John actually defines the term for us: it refers to one who denies that Jesus is THE Christ/Savior. THAT is the sense in which these original Protestants (all former Catholics, most with advanced degrees in Catholicism from Catholic universities) meant this. They understood (correctly or not) that Catholicism in the 16th century taught that OUR works play a role in our salvation - thus (they argued) Jesus is not THE Christ/Savior but PART Christ/Savior (we being the other part) - a "cooperative" salvation of Jesus does His part, we do ours, and TOGETHER we are the Savior is a denial of JESUS as THE Savior. Now, one might disagree, but that was the understanding; at least as it has been explained to me.

That is a plausible summary of the 'comedy of errors' that is likely the source of this thread's author's point...

The irony is that Jesus and the saints explain in scripture very clearly why BOTH sides of this long-standing division are mistaken in several ways ... the problem is widespread, 'spinning' scripture to support religious doctrine of sinners, rather than seeing what it says as a WHOLE, as the One truth of God.

Matthew underlined that FEW find the strait narrow way in this life and that the many go the broad way through destruction as sinners in death...

Can anyone describe the denominations of christianity as just a few ?

Jesus tells us more explicitly how few there in fact will be up until his return [Rev 7:3-8] ... one has to wonder how the divided religion of sinners continues to ignore what Jesus said [and yet claim to believe him... ]

It gets scarier when one notices that sinners claim that their sin is OK if they say they believe Jesus [but they ignore what he says as we can see just by looking at what he says, as above... ]

The image of Jesus and what he stands for has thus , demonstrably from scripture, been altered in BOTH sides of this 'storm in a teacup' of two branches of already apostate religion OF THE MANY...

One has to laugh or cry that this is the state of modern religion , until one realises that Jesus and the saints showed that it MUST happen this way...

The final irony for religion that tries to convince hundreds of millions that they will rot in hell if they do not believe this or that doctrine of sinners in place of what Jesus says? ...

that Jesus said that many will be saved , whereas antichrist religion mostly claims that the many who go by the broad way have been 'lost' carelessly by God [when many of them died and never even heard of Jesus in their whole life!]

the FEW are indeed saved first , but the BROAD way is also a way to Jesus, Jesus says the MANY are saved too , his words, not mine :-

Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

What can one say when religion of the masses ignores what Jesus says about the MANY , but that one cannot claim to believe Jesus and ignore what he says ... 'antichristos' is Greek, it does not only mean against Christ, but in place of Christ ... so decide for oneself about modern christian religion and its denial of what Christ says very clearly in his revelation above [Rev 7:9-10] ... the MANY who go by the broad way indeed are destroyed in death, but are [many at least of them] later resurrected and saved , Jesus is the one who says so!

The 'antichrist' movement is bigger than RC by far, as Jesus says, it comes to involve the whole world [Rev 13:3-10] ,excepting only the saints, the FEW who give up sinning before his return [or by their death, if sooner]

Again the false-to-Christ doctrines of modern religion are revealed , Jesus points out that he will NOT take any sinners at his return [but will help save sinners later as the MANY above]:-

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

It could hardly be said more clearly by Jesus, and yet those whosay they believe him do not believe this he said

The explanation for this strong delusion of the masses of religion is obviously required , it is a worldwide phenomenon as Jesus says in Rev 13:3-10 ... and indeed the scripture explains in detail, but of course one will not find it in religious doctrine :-

2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

[ the cause turns out to be the snare set by God for Satan, but that is a whole new thread I think, too much for here]

suffice it to say here that the antichrist phenomenon must happen, almost all the world, the many, worshiping an image of a Christ created by Satan [Rev 13:3-10]:-

2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 ¶ Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be judged who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.[sin!]
- Awesome stuff! ... but most christian religion is obliged to ignore it as if it hadn't been said and had no elation to the whole rest of scripture of God... ... More than fortunately God is in complete control through His ultimately undeniable truth about love being the ONLY way of life leading to timelessness of the spirit [that can indeed sway the will of all men once they understand that there is no other 'future']

 

[BrightCandle]

Many things have been around for that long... one needs thus to consider more...

The 'mystery of iniquity' is simply that mankind in the depths of our hearts,wants only to love and be loved [as God and Jesus instruct Israel and the saints to do] , it is the natural 'law' of mankind to love and thus obey Jesus and God, but so many do not do so that many more end up loving just one person, or loving just their family, or loving just those who love them, or loving one group who agree with them, or loving one country ...and so on...

that is the mystery about iniquity, it is unnatural to mankind, we have to lie to our own self to be unloving, to sin...

Read II Thess. 2: 1-12. Paul clearly describes a "man of lawlessness" and "son of perdition", who "exalts himself" and "takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God." The Papacy has made the pompous claim of being the Vicar of Christ for about 1,500 years, and the Roman Papacy arose out of the downfall of Pagan Rome, what more proof do you need?

 

[stranger]

The papacy clearly disobeys Jesus in calling men 'father' and 'vicar' , sinners named in place of God , which implicates them in Satan's deception to make all men worship him, not Jesus as Jesus says will happen [Rev 13:3-10] (bar only a few saints and they almost overcome when Jesus cuts their trial short by returning and the death of the antichrist , just as Christ died, but a just death for blasphemy)

But i do not believe Rome has the power in the modern world to unite world religion, still less to conquer and unite all nations , despite that it must clearly play its part in the creation of a single world government and religion worshiping Satan [not as Satan, but as Christ, the antichrist , one in place of Christ]

The antichrist has to be a Jew of the tribe of Judah, else would never be accepted by the Jews as their messiah , it seems unlikely that Rome would elect a Jew as pope, it seems more likely that the papacy finally ends in handing its power over to the antichrist of the far greater unified world religion prophesied by Jesus ...

China obviously has its eyes on the Middle East , having built a huge empty motorway aroud theback of Indiaand a deep-water navy which it has no use for at home ... presumably it will take Taiwan first just to convince USA it is dead [because of its absurd economic policies , having three times the debt of the whole rest of the word together , unable even to scrape together the interest without ever-growing loans]

There is also the coming Muslim 'punishment' of Israel to be considered, a bloodbath long prophesied , for Israel's continuing disobedience to God [ouch... sad indeed!]

Rome is a player, but not the leader I think, just not big enough and ironically too much ingrown anti-Semitism.

 

[Dark_Lite]

The papacy clearly disobeys Jesus in calling men 'father'

How are your mom and male parental unit doing today?

 

[BrightCandle]

How are your mom and male parental unit doing today?

The Pope is not our father. God the Father is. The fact that the Pope claims this pompous title identifies him as the Antichrist, because the Pope is a sinner just like us, yet he has the arrogance to claim the title Vicar of the Son of God.

 

[Dark_Lite]

The Pope is not our father. God the Father is. The fact that the Pope claims this pompous title identifies as the Antichrist, because the Pope is a sinner just like us, yet he has the arrogance to claim the title Vicar of the Son of God.

The Pope is definitely not my father. If he was, I'd probably be German.

 

[Super Kal]

then why call him "Father"?

 

[Dark_Lite]

then why call him "Father"?

Spiritual father in the sense of the temporal earthly guidance of the Church.

"BUT O WAIT INST GOD R SPIRITUAL FATHER? WUT IS THIS HERESY"

Yes, in the sense that he is father over all creation. The creator of heaven and earth, etc etc.

If you're taking that verse in Matthew that literally, I demand that you begin calling your biological father a male parental unit.

 

[BrightCandle]

The papacy clearly disobeys Jesus in calling men 'father' and 'vicar' , sinners named in place of God , which implicates them in Satan's deception to make all men worship him, not Jesus as Jesus says will happen [Rev 13:3-10] (bar only a few saints and they almost overcome when Jesus cuts their trial short by returning and the death of the antichrist , just as Christ died, but a just death for blasphemy)

But i do not believe Rome has the power in the modern world to unite world religion, still less to conquer and unite all nations , despite that it must clearly play its part in the creation of a single world government and religion worshiping Satan [not as Satan, but as Christ, the antichrist , one in place of Christ]

The antichrist has to be a Jew of the tribe of Judah, else would never be accepted by the Jews as their messiah , it seems unlikely that Rome would elect a Jew as pope, it seems more likely that the papacy finally ends in handing its power over to the antichrist of the far greater unified world religion prophesied by Jesus ...

China obviously has its eyes on the Middle East , having built a huge empty motorway aroud theback of Indiaand a deep-water navy which it has no use for at home ... presumably it will take Taiwan first just to convince USA it is dead [because of its absurd economic policies , having three times the debt of the whole rest of the word together , unable even to scrape together the interest without ever-growing loans]

There is also the coming Muslim 'punishment' of Israel to be considered, a bloodbath long prophesied , for Israel's continuing disobedience to God [ouch... sad indeed!]

Rome is a player, but not the leader I think, just not big enough and ironically too much ingrown anti-Semitism.

Look at it this way: In 2009, after 1,800 years of Papal history, they have ended up as the most powerful religio-political "professed" Christian church. They have strong support and ties to the United States the only real Super Power. Even though the US's financial situation is very negative, it is better than the rest of the world, and we still have the strongest military. If the Papacy and USA join forces they could destroy Islam in a Neo Crusade. When it comes to the Jews, they really would be toast already if it wasn't for the support of the USA. Jews in the end times will have to decide for or against Jesus and Antichrist, just like everyone else, but really most Jews are secular and are not significant players. Revelation 13 depicts two beasts, the first beast arises out of the "sea" (Europe & Middle East), and that beast received a deadly wound but its wound was healed--the Papacy. The second beast arises out of the "earth" (North American), at a time soon after the first beast's deadly wound was healed--the United States of American. Its described as being "lamb like", which apply describes our free society. However, it soon joins forces with the first beast and they both become dragon like in enforcing the mark of the beast.

Don't let the counter reformation prophetic interpretations views that were developed by the Jesuits confuse your understanding of Daniel and Revelation. We have thousands of years of history to guide us if we use the historicist method of prophetic interpretation. If you use Preterism or Futurism you set yourself up to be deceived or confused by the multitude of speculative Antichrist scenarios.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Look at it this way: In 2009, after 1,800 years of Papal history, they have ended up as the most powerful religio-political "professed" Christian church. They have strong support and ties to the United States the only real Super Power. Even though the US's financial situation is very negative, it is better than the rest of the world, and we still have the strongest military. If the Papacy and USA join forces they could destroy Islam in a Neo Crusade. When it comes to the Jews, they really would be toast already if it wasn't for the support of the USA. Jews in the end times will have to decide for or against Jesus and Antichrist, just like everyone else, but really most Jews are secular and are not significant players. Revelation 13 depicts two beasts, the first beast arises out of the "sea" (Europe & Middle East), and that beast received a deadly wound but its wound was healed--the Papacy. The second beast arises out of the "earth" (North American), at a time soon after the first beast's deadly wound was healed--the United States of American. Its described as being "lamb like", which apply describes our free society. However, it soon joins forces with the first beast and they both become dragon like in enforcing the mark of the beast.

Don't let the counter reformation prophetic interpretations views that were developed by the Jesuits confuse your understanding of Daniel and Revelation. We have thousands of years of history to guide us if we use the historicist method of prophetic interpretation. If you use Preterism or Futurism you set yourself up to be deceived or confused by the multitude of speculative Antichrist scenarios.

Tis true

1 John 2:18 Little-children, last Hour it-is and according-as ye hear that the anti-christ is coming.
And now anti-christs, many, have become whence we are knowing that last Hour it-is.

Reve 14:7 saying in great sound: "Be being fearful! of the God, and be Ye giving! to Him glory, that came the Hour of His judging.
And worship Ye! to the One-making the heaven and the land and sea and springs of waters".

 

[stranger]

Spiritual father in the sense of the temporal earthly guidance of the Church.

"BUT O WAIT INST GOD R SPIRITUAL FATHER? WUT IS THIS HERESY"

Yes, in the sense that he is father over all creation. The creator of heaven and earth, etc etc.

If you're taking that verse in Matthew that literally, I demand that you begin calling your biological father a male parental unit.

Better still call God your father and forget about genetic families ...

Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Luke 12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.
53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

Matthew 12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

It is as well to read ALL that Jesus said ... if one wants to understand him and believe him, rather than believing in sinners who teach sinners...

Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Matthew 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.

What can one say of those who call sinners their fathers, fathers who teach their sons to sin just like themselves ,as if it were OK to sin , as if some sinners were OK and the rest were rejected by God for ever ...the word Jesus used was 'hypocrites' and he told the rabbis of their fate for being so , it is no different fro those sinners who style themselves 'father' in place of God and follow one in place of Christ... who presume to teach in place of God , presuming that the new covenant[Heb 8:8-13] is for them when it says it is for those whose ancestors broke the old covenant, and also says that those under the new covenant shall NOT teach one another ... :-

Hebrews 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

but ALL saints will be taught by God through His spirit to love instead of sinning, to be saints ,holy by being loving , not by remaining sinners and paradoxically claiming to be holy and righteous and folowing sinless Jesus' command as Lord to love, NOT sin any longer:-

John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

1 Thessalonians 4:9 But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another.

Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

 

[Dark_Lite]

Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

So are you calling your father male parental unit or not?

 

[stranger]

Look at it this way: In 2009, after 1,800 years of Papal history, they have ended up as the most powerful religio-political "professed" Christian church.

Jesus says their successor will take over the whole world , ad still be worshiping an image of Christ created by Satan [Rev 13:3-10] ... no sinner escapes this fate, catching religion does not save anyone , ceasing to sin does.

Proverbs 16:6 By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the LORD men depart from evil.

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

They have strong support and ties to the United States the only real Super Power.

China is a far greater super-power than USA

Even though the US's financial situation is very negative, it is better than the rest of the world,

You are mistaken , the USA owes three times as much as the rest of the world put together! The US economy is in tatters , cannot even pay interest on its loans without even more loans... it has to end in disaster, collapse of the dollar, unless there is monetary reform and control of politicians and international bankers.

and we still have the strongest military.

Dream on, China has a standing army of 200 million and enough weapons and economic strength to wipe any nation off the map . They now have a deep-water navy with no use in home waters, and an empty superhighway running round the back [to the north] of India ready to move troops and supply convoys into the Middle East at lightning speed... it is unlikely they did this with no intent on using their new navy and superhighway... USA will be red-faced, but not defend Taiwan... nor is it in any position to defend its Middle East oil interests from China when the time comes [if China calls in the US debt to it then USA is broke, busted, dead , USA cannot even afford to stop borrowing from China and India, let alone fight either]

If the Papacy and USA join forces they could destroy Islam in a Neo Crusade.

Dream on, the Islamic Arabs alone control the oil that runs the USA ... it is China who will fight them for it , not USA ... USA will be left in the cold and consider whether it is worth starting World War III which they cannot win and an economic disaster way beyond the folly of their existing warmongering [and they without enough oil to even run a peace]

When it comes to the Jews, they really would be toast already if it wasn't for the support of the USA.

Indeed Israel is a death trap , but even the bible warns of that , God has not finished punishing the evil part of His nation for disobedience to Him, and incredibly they still are haughty and still have not learned where that leads ... serious bloodbath [but two thirds of Jews do not live in modern Israel]

Jews in the end times will have to decide for or against Jesus and Antichrist, just like everyone else, but really most Jews are secular and are not significant players.

Yes indeed, Jesus requires but 144,000 saints from the tribes of Israel [Rev 7:3-8] , most of them not from the House of Judah ['Jews'] but from the paganised lost house of Israel to whom alone was Jesus sent by God [according to his own statement] and to whom the new covenant of grace applies , not just to Jews. [Heb 8:8-13]

Most of the 144,000 are already dead of course, so perhaps two thousand alive , less than a thousand Jewish saints then , a TINY remnant of Israel... most of Israel are just sinners like the gentiles... but it is important to the truth to look and see that the teachings ascribed to Jesus in religion are NOT those in scripture ... the antichrist figure already exists in the image of a christ painted by man-made religion of sinners for sinners.

Revelation 13 depicts two beasts, the first beast arises out of the "sea" (Europe & Middle East), and that beast received a deadly wound but its wound was healed--the Papacy.

Scripture explains what the 'sea' represents, the masses of the people, mostly gentiles... the beast indeed bears remarkable correspondence with the Roman empire which spawned modern apostate christianity and the papacy with its hierarchy and secret orders... the papacy wields great power over those involved in creating the one world government , but there is no way that the papacy will control the antichrist, rather it is the other way around and the papacy will be swallowed up by the world power of the antichrist , a Jew... [else Judaism would not accept him as the Christ, the messiah, their king]

The second beast arises out of the "earth" (North American), at a time soon after the first beast's deadly wound was healed--the United States of American. Its described as being "lamb like", which apply describes our free society. However, it soon joins forces with the first beast and they both become dragon like in enforcing the mark of the beast.

Only an American could describe USA gunboat diplomacy as like a 'lamb' ...and USA society is run by European private banks , it is about as far from free as any nation can get [as past presidents have said... a handful of Europeans, mostly Jews, took over USA many decades ago without a shot being fired or a whimper of protest [through the creation of 'central banking' , completely run by a few private individuals quite ready to remove permanently anyone who gets in the way , even presidents]

The bible says who the dragon is, it is Satan , not a nation or group of nations.

Don't let the counter reformation prophetic interpretations views that were developed by the Jesuits confuse your understanding of Daniel and Revelation.

I wouldn't dream of it.

We have thousands of years of history to guide us if we use the historicist method of prophetic interpretation. If you use Preterism or Futurism you set yourself up to be deceived or confused by the multitude of speculative Antichrist scenarios.

Hmmm... I'd rather use scripture to explain itself, as the saint tells us it doesn't need any private methods of interpretation :-

2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

 

[stranger]

So are you calling your father male parental unit or not?

I call my father 'God' , and He is not a man.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then [at death] shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

God is our father , who gave us life by His spirit of the truth [about love]... we are made in His image by the spirit of truth within , no matter that we most deny love for a while , even to death as sinners.

The spirit of truth is what means most to us in the end , it matters not what we are in between conception and translation back to be one with God...

Genetics really has not much to do with it, as I showed in the quotes above ,in my post above in this thread ... only a remnant few will know their Father in this life [Matt 7:14, Rev 7:3-8] through being reminded who they really are by God Himself [John 16:13], sons of their father , God :-

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
...
Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

Philippians 2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;

1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

 

[Dark_Lite]

I'm talking about the man who procreated with the woman who gave birth to you.

 

[Super Kal]

Spiritual father in the sense of the temporal earthly guidance of the Church.

"BUT O WAIT INST GOD R SPIRITUAL FATHER? WUT IS THIS HERESY"

Yes, in the sense that he is father over all creation. The creator of heaven and earth, etc etc.

the pope does not control what goes on in the heavenly realms, nor decides the time of restoring all things about which God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets long ago...

only God the Father knows and decides these times, and therefore God the Father and God the Father alone, not a fallible and imperfect human being, should be worshiped and venerated.

 

[Dark_Lite]

the pope does not control what goes on in the heavenly realms, nor decides the time of restoring all things about which God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets long ago...

only God the Father knows and decides these times, and therefore God the Father and God the Father alone, not a fallible and imperfect human being, should be worshiped and venerated.

Where did I even mention that the Pope "controls what goes on in the heavenly realms?"

I said "temporal earthly guidance of the Church." As in, the governance of the Church, and in certain matters of faith. Obviously he does not control when the Second Coming will happen. That is in the Bible.