Would someone please prove that creationism is not a crock,

[LightHorseman]

How can you say "creationism" is a lie, when you don't even understand what it is, or how it works?

Ditto just about any creationist re: evolution?

 

[Cabal]

Cabal, are you telling me that you (of all people) still don't understand where the Bible exposes evolution:

1. As a form of worship?
2. As an "invention" --- not a "discovery"?

I can understand an atheist not understanding --- but a Christian?

If you mean your interpretations where you shoehorn evolution into Solomon and Paul's writings, then it's not really a case of not understanding it, but rejecting your opinion, and rejecting it firmly.

 

[Thomas Anderson]

Really Cabal...science doesn't prove evo...it contradicts it.....just have faith

 

[AV1611VET]

AV1611VET.

In all honesty I meant no relation to Jonestown when I mentioned kool-aid in one of my posts. I thought Hespera was refering to my youth with her comment on kool-aid to me .....sorry if I offended anybdy with my comment..

Not a problem, Thomas ---

I wasn't referring to you.

 

[AV1611VET]

If you mean your interpretations where you shoehorn evolution into Solomon and Paul's writings, then it's not really a case of not understanding it, but rejecting your opinion, and rejecting it firmly.

Interesting verb choice --- so do you disagree with me because I'm "shoehorning", or am I "shoehorning" because you disagree with me?

 

[Nathan Poe]

It's too bad we have to explain anything --- given that it's so simple to understand ---

So, simple things must always be true?

not to mention that it's well-documented on the very first page of the #1 best Seller of all time, ever.

So, popular books must be true?

Are you sure you're the go-to guy for establishing that Creationism's not a crock?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Cabal, are you telling me that you (of all people) still don't understand where the Bible exposes evolution:

1. As a form of worship?
2. As an "invention" --- not a "discovery"?

I can understand an atheist not understanding --- but a Christian?

Imagine that, AV -- a Christian thinking your interpretation of the Bible is a crock. Color me surprised.

 

[Hespera]

Originally Posted by AV1611VET

How can you say "creationism" is a lie, when you don't even understand what it is, or how it works? QUOTE/////


Hespera sez:

Not so hard as you think. Creationism is nonsense, a figment of the imagination; it has no other existence than in the imagination; and it certainly does not "work".

Now, turning it around a bit, you have so many times shown, with regard to evolution that you dont understand what it is or how it works.... so why do you propose to say it isnt all true? You certainly cant come up with a contracry fact, just your endless goddidit.


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[Cabal]

Interesting verb choice --- so do you disagree with me because I'm "shoehorning", or am I "shoehorning" because you disagree with me?

The former. I think your interpretation is facile and a total misuse of the verses you cite.

And I think it's quite staggering, frankly, that I'm somehow wrong because I have the temerity to think in the face of some empirical evidence that at least appears convincing that Genesis 1 isn't to be taken literally - but in the same breath as insisting Genesis 1 is literal you can make a verse about Biblical genealogies about evolution; and apparently, when faced with an angry Job, God's response included "I WILL INVENT THE INTERNET!"

 

[Thomas Anderson]

When it comes to the possibility of God's existence, the Bible says that there are people who have seen sufficient evidence, but they have suppressed the truth about God. On the other hand, for those who want to know God if he is there, he says, "You will seek me and find me; when you seek me with all your heart, I will be found by you." Before you look at the facts surrounding God's existence, ask yourself, If God does exist, would I want to know him?
The Earth...its size is perfect. The Earth's size and corresponding gravity holds a thin layer of mostly nitrogen and oxygen gases, only extending about 50 miles above the Earth's surface. If Earth were smaller, an atmosphere would be impossible, like the planet Mercury. If Earth were larger, its atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, like Jupiter. Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life.
The Earth is located the right distance from the sun. Consider the temperature swings we encounter, roughly -30 degrees to +120 degrees. If the Earth were any further away from the sun, we would all freeze. Any closer and we would burn up. Even a fractional variance in the Earth's position to the sun would make life on Earth impossible. The Earth remains this perfect distance from the sun while it rotates around the sun at a speed of nearly 67,000 mph. It is also rotating on its axis, allowing the entire surface of the Earth to be properly warmed and cooled every day.
And our moon is the perfect size and distance from the Earth for its gravitational pull. The moon creates important ocean tides and movement so ocean waters do not stagnate, and yet our massive oceans are restrained from spilling over across the continents.

 

[Cabal]

Really Cabal...science doesn't prove evo...it contradicts it.....just have faith

That's considerate of you to say, Thomas, but the fact is evolution has nothing to do with faith. I accept it because of the evidence that's behind it.

 

[Cabal]

When it comes to the possibility of God's existence, the Bible says that there are people who have seen sufficient evidence, but they have suppressed the truth about God. On the other hand, for those who want to know God if he is there, he says, "You will seek me and find me; when you seek me with all your heart, I will be found by you." Before you look at the facts surrounding God's existence, ask yourself, If God does exist, would I want to know him?
The Earth...its size is perfect. The Earth's size and corresponding gravity holds a thin layer of mostly nitrogen and oxygen gases, only extending about 50 miles above the Earth's surface. If Earth were smaller, an atmosphere would be impossible, like the planet Mercury. If Earth were larger, its atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, like Jupiter. Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life.
The Earth is located the right distance from the sun. Consider the temperature swings we encounter, roughly -30 degrees to +120 degrees. If the Earth were any further away from the sun, we would all freeze. Any closer and we would burn up. Even a fractional variance in the Earth's position to the sun would make life on Earth impossible. The Earth remains this perfect distance from the sun while it rotates around the sun at a speed of nearly 67,000 mph. It is also rotating on its axis, allowing the entire surface of the Earth to be properly warmed and cooled every day.
And our moon is the perfect size and distance from the Earth for its gravitational pull. The moon creates important ocean tides and movement so ocean waters do not stagnate, and yet our massive oceans are restrained from spilling over across the continents.

Thomas, have you ever considered that if the Earth wasn't placed for life to exist, then....we wouldn't exist in the first place to make that observation? It really doesn't demonstrate anything.

 

[AV1611VET]

...and apparently, when faced with an angry Job, God's response included "I WILL INVENT THE INTERNET!"

Either that, or He meant something to the effect of:

• You think you know how things work around here? Explain electronic communications.

 

[MoonLancer]

It's too bad we have to explain anything --- given that it's so simple to understand --- not to mention that it's well-documented on the very first page of the #1 best Seller of all time, ever.

"Concerning Hobbits..."

I can go on, but i cant see what lord of the rings has to do with your point.

 

[Cabal]

Either that, or He meant something to the effect of:

• You think you know how things work around here? Explain electronic communications.

That aside, it's rather interesting how that entire clump of verses uses descriptions of nature - "nature, nature, nature, INTERNETS, nature" seems a rather clunky and unnecessary tonal shift.

But I digress - the point is, I could understand your insistent literalism of Genesis 1 maybe a little more if you were as literal with other parts of the Bible, but the examples of your interpretations I cited are so unorthodox and off the wall, I really can't see why that still permits you to think my approach to creation is inferior to your approach to creation.

 

[AV1611VET]

... I really can't see why that still permits you to think my approach to creation is inferior to your approach to creation.

Your approach to the Creation uses ever-changing, can't-see-anything-beyond n-light-years-out, myopic science; doesn't qualify it with an article; and doesn't even capitalize it --- mine uses omnipotence; qualifies it with "the"; and even capitalizes it.

But, to be honest, I don't even know what your approach to the Creation is --- probably some form of TE, I would assume.

I'll read your profile after I send this.

ETA: Okay, I read your profile:

• TE --- as I suspected.
• 3 Bible versions named as your choice of version --- none the KJV.

'Nuff said.

 

[Thomas Anderson]

Water...colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. Plants, animals and human beings consist mostly of water (about two-thirds of the human body is water). You'll see why the characteristics of water are uniquely suited to life:
It has an unusually high boiling point and freezing point. Water allows us to live in an environment of fluctuating temperature changes, while keeping our bodies a steady 98.6 degrees.
Water is a universal solvent. This property of water means that thousands of chemicals, minerals and nutrients can be carried throughout our bodies and into the smallest blood vessels.
Water is also chemically neutral. Without affecting the makeup of the substances it carries, water enables food, medicines and minerals to be absorbed and used by the body.
Water has a unique surface tension. Water in plants can therefore flow upward against gravity, bringing life-giving water and nutrients to the top of even the tallest trees.
Water freezes from the top down and floats, so fish can live in the winter.
Ninety-seven percent of the Earth's water is in the oceans. But on our Earth, there is a system designed which removes salt from the water and then distributes that water throughout the globe. Evaporation takes the ocean waters, leaving the salt, and forms clouds which are easily moved by the wind to disperse water over the land, for vegetation, animals and people. It is a system of purification and supply that sustains life on this planet, a system of recycled and reused water.

 

[Cabal]

Your approach to the Creation uses ever-changing, can't-see-anything-beyond n-light-years-out, myopic science; doesn't qualify it with an article; and doesn't even capitalize it --- mine uses omnipotence; qualifies it with "the"; and even capitalizes it.

Yes, I'm pretty sure good grammar and pedantry is next to godliness.

But, to be honest, I don't even know what your approach to the Creation is --- probably some form of TE, I would assume.

So that would make your last paragraph redundant, then? Why not try dropping the assumptions first?

I'll read your profile after I send this.

ETA: Okay, I read your profile:

• TE --- as I suspected.
• 3 Bible versions named as your choice of version --- none the KJV.

'Nuff said.

Why, do other versions of the Bible somehow misspell "six" as "twenty-nine"? I was under the impression this was a simple concept?

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Water...colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. Plants, animals and human beings consist mostly of water (about two-thirds of the human body is water). You'll see why the characteristics of water are uniquely suited to life:
It has an unusually high boiling point and freezing point. Water allows us to live in an environment of fluctuating temperature changes, while keeping our bodies a steady 98.6 degrees.
Water is a universal solvent. This property of water means that thousands of chemicals, minerals and nutrients can be carried throughout our bodies and into the smallest blood vessels.
Water is also chemically neutral. Without affecting the makeup of the substances it carries, water enables food, medicines and minerals to be absorbed and used by the body.
Water has a unique surface tension. Water in plants can therefore flow upward against gravity, bringing life-giving water and nutrients to the top of even the tallest trees.
Water freezes from the top down and floats, so fish can live in the winter.
Ninety-seven percent of the Earth's water is in the oceans. But on our Earth, there is a system designed which removes salt from the water and then distributes that water throughout the globe. Evaporation takes the ocean waters, leaving the salt, and forms clouds which are easily moved by the wind to disperse water over the land, for vegetation, animals and people. It is a system of purification and supply that sustains life on this planet, a system of recycled and reused water.

Kind of like a puddle of water stating the the pothole in which it resides was perfectly shaped just for it.

 

[Cabal]

Water...colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. Plants, animals and human beings consist mostly of water (about two-thirds of the human body is water). You'll see why the characteristics of water are uniquely suited to life:
It has an unusually high boiling point and freezing point. Water allows us to live in an environment of fluctuating temperature changes, while keeping our bodies a steady 98.6 degrees.
Water is a universal solvent. This property of water means that thousands of chemicals, minerals and nutrients can be carried throughout our bodies and into the smallest blood vessels.
Water is also chemically neutral. Without affecting the makeup of the substances it carries, water enables food, medicines and minerals to be absorbed and used by the body.
Water has a unique surface tension. Water in plants can therefore flow upward against gravity, bringing life-giving water and nutrients to the top of even the tallest trees.
Water freezes from the top down and floats, so fish can live in the winter.
Ninety-seven percent of the Earth's water is in the oceans. But on our Earth, there is a system designed which removes salt from the water and then distributes that water throughout the globe. Evaporation takes the ocean waters, leaving the salt, and forms clouds which are easily moved by the wind to disperse water over the land, for vegetation, animals and people. It is a system of purification and supply that sustains life on this planet, a system of recycled and reused water.

Other worlds have global cycles of different, depending on the temperature of that planet. It's not yet ruled out whether or not these systems will promote life (as we know it) or not.

Also, Thomas, I strongly recommend if you want anything you say to be taken seriously you start answering people's points, in depth, rather than rattling off your list of "300,000."

ETA: Hang on, what in the world do the properties of water have to do with ToE? Is this the actual ToE we're discussing, or creationist definition of ToE, i.e. cosmology? (*sigh*)