can 'logos' be a verb?

[granpa]

Can 'logos' be a verb?

Am I correct in assuming that the root idea is 'directed thinking' (thinking in words) as described by Carl Jung in "Psychology Of The Unconscious" (as opposed to symbolic or intuitive thinking)?



i know that logos is usually translated 'word' or 'saying' but it is sometimes translated 'account'. the unjust steward had to give an 'account' of himself. but what i am most interested in understanding is how one gets logos=the faculty of reason.


http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3056&Version=KJV

1) of speech

....a) a word, uttered by a living voice, embodies a conception or idea

....b) what someone has said

........1) a word

........2) the sayings of God

........3) decree, mandate or order

........4) of the moral precepts given by God

........5) Old Testament prophecy given by the prophets

........6) what is declared, a thought, declaration, aphorism, a weighty saying, a dictum, a maxim

....c) discourse

........1) the act of speaking, speech

........2) the faculty of speech, skill and practice in speaking

........3) a kind or style of speaking

........4) a continuous speaking discourse - instruction

....d) doctrine, teaching

....e) anything reported in speech; a narration, narrative

....f) matter under discussion, thing spoken of, affair, a matter in dispute, case, suit at law

....g) the thing spoken of or talked about; event, deed

2) its use as respect to the MIND alone

....a) reason, the mental faculty of thinking, meditating, reasoning, calculating

....b) account, i.e. regard, consideration

....c) account, i.e. reckoning, score

....d) account, i.e. answer or explanation in reference to judgment

....e) relation, i.e. with whom as judge we stand in relation

........1) reason would

....f) reason, cause, ground

 

[daveleau]

Hi there,

Of the 329 some-odd times logos appears in the NT, I have not seen any verbs. I haven't focused on each instance, so I may have missed a couple, but it does not seem to have been used as a verb.

In Him,
Dave

 

[granpa]

apparently the verb form is legō


1) to say, to speak

a) affirm over, maintain

b) to teach

c) to exhort, advise, to command, direct

d) to point out with words, intend, mean, mean to say

e) to call by name, to call, name

f) to speak out, speak of, mention

http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3004&Version=KJV

 

[PrincetonGuy]

apparently the verb form is legō


1) to say, to speak

a) affirm over, maintain

b) to teach

c) to exhort, advise, to command, direct

d) to point out with words, intend, mean, mean to say

e) to call by name, to call, name

f) to speak out, speak of, mention

http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3004&Version=KJV

Compare the Greek verb λογίζομαι

http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3049&Version=KJV

 

[granpa]

Compare the Greek verb λογίζομαι

http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3049&Version=KJV

1) to reckon, count, compute, calculate, count over

....a) to take into account, to make an account of

........1) metaph. to pass to one's account, to impute

........2) a thing is reckoned as or to be something, i.e. as availing for or equivalent to something, as having the like force and weight

....b) to number among, reckon with

....c) to reckon or account

2) to reckon inward, count up or weigh the reasons, to deliberate

3) by reckoning up all the reasons, to gather or infer

....a) to consider, take into account, weigh, meditate on

....b) to suppose, deem, judge

....c) to determine, purpose, decide

This word deals with reality. If I reckon (logizomai) that my bank book has $25 in it, it has $25 in it. Otherwise I am deceiving myself. This word refers more to fact than supposition or opinion.

 

[themuzicman]

Legw is part of the same family of words that logos comes from, but, no, logos is a NOUN. Greek distinguishes very clearly between them.

Muz

 

[granpa]

i didnt mean to imply that they were the exact same word. my understanding is that one is derived from the other.

 

[granpa]

ok. I think I understand it now. logos means 'word'. as a verb 'wording' it means speaking or thinking in words (unlike animals which are incapable of 'wording'). hence logos as 'the faculty of reason' (faculty of thinking in words). capare this to Carl Jungs 'directed thinking'.

 

[Siyha]

ok. I think I understand it now. logos means 'word'. as a verb it means 'wording' or thinking in words (unlike animals which are incapable of 'wording')

I think you are misunderstanding. There isn't a verb form of logos. Lego (my ego) is not the verb form, and they carry different connotations.

 

[oldsage]

I think you are misunderstanding. There isn't a verb form of logos. Lego (my ego) is not the verb form, and they carry different connotations.

Here is the first part of the BDAG:

λόγος, ου, ὁ (verbal noun of λέγω in the sense ‘pick’; Hom.+)


Make of it what you will.

 

[oldsage]

ok. I think I understand it now. logos means 'word'. as a verb it means 'wording' or thinking in words (unlike animals which are incapable of 'wording')

"wording" makes no sense.

"word" is a noun meaning much the same as our english definition plus other ideas which go with it.

The verb form of it would be used more like "speech" not "wording"

 

[granpa]

"wording" makes no sense.

"word" is a noun meaning much the same as our english definition plus other ideas which go with it.

The verb form of it would be used more like "speech" not "wording"

I edited my post. does it make any more sense to you now?

greek has a whole constellation of words and ideas all closely related to 'word'. I am simply trying to understand how one gets from the idea of 'word' to the idea of 'reasoning' (and some of the other similar ideas. see the original post for a list)

 

[Radagast]

Can 'logos' be a verb?

No. But there is a related verb: logizomai (to reckon, count, compute, calculate, make an account, deliberate).

Am I correct in assuming that the root idea is 'directed thinking' (thinking in words) as described by Carl Jung in "Psychology Of The Unconscious" (as opposed to symbolic or intuitive thinking)?

I'm not sure Jungian categories help in understanding a Greek word. "Logos" is also a philosophical term in classical Greek.

Here is Liddell & Scott on the word (from here and here):

logos:

A: the word or that by which the inward thought is expressed, that which is said or spoken:

.. I. a word, words, language, talk

.. II. a word, saying, statement, proverb

.. III. speech, discourse, conversation, language

.. IV. a saying, tale, story, narrative, history, rumour, mention

.. V. prose-writing, prose

.. VI. a speech, oration

.. VII. like rhêma, the thing spoken of, the subject or matter of the logos

.. VIII. that which is stated, a proposition, position, thesis, principle, law, generative principle (Stoic philosophy)

.. IX. computation, reckoning, account of money handled

.. X. explanation, plea

.. XI. the plot of a story

B. the inward thought itself

.. I. thought, reason, opinion

.. II. thinking, reasoning, the inward debate of the soul

.. III. reason itself, the reason which pervades the universe

.. IV. account, consideration, reckoning

.. V. due relation, proportion, analogy

C. THE WORD, New Testament