"Embedded Age" and Why it's Wrong

[AV1611VET]

That's why I mentioned the tree - all we need to find is one piece of evidence of age appearing greater than 6100 years and things start to get uncomfortable. Embedded history ahoy.

That's the point --- you guys are trying so hard to change Embedded Age into Omphalos, that you don't even care to understand what Embedded Age is.

You just automatically assume it's wrong, irrespective of what it is.

I do the same with deep history --- dismissing it out-of-hand.

Old things would bother me if I was a YEC, but I'm not a YEC, and therefore I couldn't care less how old an object is.

 

[Tomk80]

Not at all. You do not know the principle of an isochron and get it all reversed.

Yes, I do know the principle of isochron dating. Apparently you do not.

It should be: because we get an isochron, so we give it a history.

No, it should not. You should read up on isochron dating, you've got it backwards.

 

[Cabal]

That's the point --- you guys are trying so hard to change Embedded Age into Omphalos, that you don't even care to understand what Embedded Age is.

You just automatically assume it's wrong, irrespective of what it is.

I do the same with deep history --- dismissing it out-of-hand.

Old things would bother me if I was a YEC, but I'm not a YEC, and therefore I couldn't care less how old an object is.

No, AV, we don't automatically assume its wrong. We send out test cases. Like fossils. Like the 9000 year old tree. Like rocks dated to be old. And what do you do? YOU dismiss them. The moment anything biological runs the risk of appearing over 6100 years, you say "that's embedded history" and change the subject.

Don't try and pin this one on us. You want to get somewhere, stop trying to restrain the discussion to your own limited terms.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, it should not. You should read up on isochron dating, you've got it backwards.

Let's bottom-line this and move on: Isochron dating can take a hike.

 

[Cabal]

Let's bottom-line this and move on: Isochron dating can take a hike.

Case in point.

 

[AV1611VET]

Don't try and pin this one on us. You want to get somewhere, stop trying to restrain the discussion to your own limited terms.

Fair enough, Cabal --- let's cut the technogarbage on both sides and just use the phrases God uses.

Good idea?

Let's cut the "miracles" and the "magic" and the "this-dating" and the "that-dating", etc., and submit this to God's Word, shall we?

 

[AV1611VET]

Case in point.

That's right --- you guys think we're kidding when we say GOD SAID IT - THAT SETTLES IT, don't you?

 

[Cabal]

Fair enough, Cabal --- let's cut the technogarbage on both sides and just use the phrases God uses.

Good idea?

Let's cut the "miracles" and the "magic" and the "this-dating" and the "that-dating", etc., and submit this to God's Word, shall we?

I'd love to do that, AV, but last time I attempted a literal reading of Genesis, I couldn't see anything resembling "embedded age."

 

[Cabal]

That's right --- you guys think we're kidding when we say GOD SAID IT - THAT SETTLES IT, don't you?

No, we're far too cynical after having it used eighty bajillion times on us to thwart proper discussion to expect anything else.

 

[AV1611VET]

I'd love to do that, AV, but last time I attempted a literal reading of Genesis, I couldn't see anything resembling "embedded age."

Well, now, ain't that a pity --- last time I checked, I couldn't see anything resembling deep history.

Looks like we're at an impasse, eh?

No, we're far too cynical after having it used eighty bajillion times on us to thwart proper discussion to expect anything else.

So much for "proper discussion" then --- that just breaks my achy-breaky heart.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

That's the point --- you guys are trying so hard to change Embedded Age into Omphalos, that you don't even care to understand what Embedded Age is.

You just automatically assume it's wrong, irrespective of what it is.

I do the same with deep history --- dismissing it out-of-hand.

Old things would bother me if I was a YEC, but I'm not a YEC, and therefore I couldn't care less how old an object is.

Nobody understands what embedded age is, least of all you.

 

[Split Rock]

Why, of course --- how could I have forgotten that?Oops! Forgot that too, didn't I?I forgot to ask Him that one.Oh.

Your "embedded age" model doesn't explain very much.. does it?

Hmmm --- despite the fact that there was a race of angels on the earth for a couple thousand years?

Angels who created a race of giants --- and men of reknown?You know what "reknown" means, don't you, Split Rock?

Like --- "had in reputation".

What does this have to do with anything? You have a coal seam miles thick inside the earth. Inside that coal seam are fossilized footprints and plant material. They could only have gotten there if they were put there deliberately as a frud, or were integreted during the process of the coal seam's development. Are you trying to place the fraud on Angels and giants instead of God?

Nevermind --- I can hear someone laughing clear over here.

Yes, I think it may be you.

Incorrect.

Explain why. And no, you have not already.

 

[AV1611VET]

Your "embedded age" model doesn't explain very much.. does it?

It doesn't have to --- it's as simple as pie.

What does this have to do with anything? You have a coal seam miles thick inside the earth. Inside that coal seam are fossilized footprints and plant material. They could only have gotten there if they were put there deliberately as a frud, or were integreted during the process of the coal seam's development.

Really? Says who? You? Your McGraw-Hill bible?

Does your McGraw-Hill bible talk about a race of superbeings on the earth?

No?

Ain't that a shame.

Are you trying to place the fraud on Angels and giants instead of God?

What fraud?

 

[Split Rock]

That's right --- you guys think we're kidding when we say GOD SAID IT - THAT SETTLES IT, don't you?

Then why do you bother with this "Embedded Age" model of yours in the first place?

Well, now, ain't that a pity --- last time I checked, I couldn't see anything resembling deep history.

Of course not, the writers of Genesis knew nothing of it.

Looks like we're at an impasse, eh?

No we are not. Your model simply Does Not Work. Irrelevant of biblical interpretation, or any assumptions about age of the earth. It Does Not Work, and claiming it just is "So" and God Did It anyway does not change that simple fact.

So much for "proper discussion" then --- that just breaks my achy-breaky heart.

Yes, creationists like yourself find "proper discussion" to be quite the anathama. It is good enough that a little girl in your church understands "embedded age," or adults who do not question anything their pastor tells them. Too bad when you look at the predictions your Embedded Age model makes, it falls apart.

 

[AV1611VET]

Too bad when you look at the predictions your Embedded Age model makes, it falls apart.

Oh, so everything has to come with a prediction attached to it now, does it?

Is this some new additive to the Scientific Method?

Personally I hope it fails every prediction you guys can come up with, and more.

 

[Split Rock]

It doesn't have to --- it's as simple as pie.

Then so is putting a round peg into a square hole.

Really? Says who? You? Your McGraw-Hill bible?

I really don't know what that is. I thought we were using the KJV1611 Bible as a guide of sorts, though it strangely says nothing about "embedded age" in it.

Does your McGraw-Hill bible talk about a race of superbeings on the earth?

Your KJV1611 does, and it says nothing that might clue us in to how they were somehow responsible for putting fossils inside of coal seams.

What fraud?

See above.

 

[Split Rock]

Oh, so everything has to come with a prediction attached to it now, does it?

Is this some new additive to the Scientific Method?

Personally I hope it fails every prediction you guys can come up with, and more.

By the very nature of your model, it makes predictions. We have just pointed those predictions out to you.

 

[AV1611VET]

Your KJV1611 does, and it says nothing that might clue us in to how they were somehow responsible for putting fossils inside of coal seams.

Man --- that's just a pity on six different levels --- isn't it?

 

[Split Rock]

Personally I hope it fails every prediction you guys can come up with, and more.

Then you have just condemned your precious Embedded Age model to the scrap bin, where it apparently belongs. Better tell your pastor, so he can stop teaching it.

 

[Split Rock]

Man --- that's just a pity on six different levels --- isn't it?

You really have nothing to say anymore... do you? Just pushing up your post counts again...hmmm?