Holy people, please respond

[simchat_torah]

What is my religion called?

The Holy Condemnation Church of MI6.

I'm not attacking anyone.

Then, pray tell, why would you use such language as the following:

what kind of sickness is this
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This is so disgusting.
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they have very little sense of being holy
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I think God should burn them!
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God should put fire on them
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Sex toys are unclean and I think the people that use them have an evil ìn their heart.
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Vibrators and plastic genitalia were created by satan and his race
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unholy acts
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It seems you weren't interested in the opinions of others when you started this thread, very deceptive of you. Instead, you were here to preach. Moreover, you want to shrug off "religion" and say you follow G-d. However, by placing such rules concerning sexual intimacy between husband and wife you have ended up being the poster child for the very definition of religion you provided:

Religion is people putting rules on God and saying "you must do this or that or you cannot be saved."

You claim to "not attack anyone" but you replied to me with this very statement:

You are quite the bitter soul.

Your defense for making an attack was:

Do unto others as you would have them do to you. He judged me first, I returned his judgement.

However, did I NOT give you ample opportunity over and over again to give a foundation to your opinions? Did I NOT beg you to provide scriptural support for your hate mongering statements? You ignored this. I didn't say "You are wrong", no I said that "You've only stated opinion". Passing judgement would be to say you're incorrect, which I haven't even expressed my side in this debate yet!

Furthermore, you continue to defend your personal insults and attacks by stating:

I think certain people started feeling guilty that yes, they are sick sexually, and started getting angry.

Guilty? ha! My wife and I don't practice the things you've described in this thread and I have utterly nothing to feel guilt about. Instead of appologizing you merely threw it in my face assuming I practice such things just so you could call me sick.

No one here is interested in my spiritual journey.

That's probably about the most honest statement you've made so far. Why would anyone be interested in such hate?

 

[MI6]

I attack the behavior. Jesus said we will all be salted with fire.

Those who engage in these evil activìties while playing Christian or whatever are doing the worst thing. This reminds me of that preacher who was doing gay things at nìght time and being holy in the daytime.

I'm shocked.

 

[simchat_torah]

You still have YET to show how these things are "evil" other than your own opinion. Your personal view is still meaningless without a foundation.

10 pages in, want to give it a shot?

 

[MI6]

Can you explain how using those things would be something God approves of?
I did use scripture to prove my point. Does God ask us to be holy? And he says he will judge the adulterer and the whoremonger. Those sex toys are things whoremongers would use.

 

[simchat_torah]

Can you explain how using those things would be something God approves of?

Others have done so sufficiently, of course you've ignored their points. But how partners please themselves behind bedroom doors is not really your place to judge, nor does G-d really mention anything about it.

I did use scripture to prove my point.

Where?

Does God ask us to be holy?

Yes, but where does G-d point out that using toys, message oils, etc break codes of holiness?????

And he says he will judge the adulterer and the whoremonger

You're changing the topic, no one here justified adultry.

Those sex toys are things whoremongers would use.

And they like to use computers (for porn). Does this make a bible inherrently evil? Your logic is failing, please provide a foundation for your opinions (though I know I'm wasting my breath at this point)

 

[MI6]

You have a very interesting way of missing the point, but then again when it comes to the bible that's probably not the first time.

 

[simchat_torah]

I asked a straightforward no nonsense question: Show biblically where such things are unholy, satanic, a sickness, or evil (all your claims).

It couldn't be more simple, more plain, or more direct.

Instead you have danced around the question with vague references to your own opinion but have provided absolutely no support for your view. You rely on insults to get you by, such as:

You have a very interesting way of missing the point, but then again when it comes to the bible that's probably not the first time.

But I'm the one missing the point? lol, that's rich.

 

[Heber]

MI6

You have attacked a personal friend of mine on here by implying that because she took a view that was contrary to yours she must, therefore, in her private life, be doing the things you find repulsive.

That is a mighty offensive assertion and I am grateful to my friend and her husband for not launching a verbal attack against you - you have come on this forum with a perfectly valid point for DEBATE but you have dealt with it as personal to the members here, and dealt with it badly, very badly indeed; I hope the moderators will step in and deal with that. As you have made no similar attack against me I do not feel justified in pressing the Report button, even though I think it would be well deserved of your writings and attitude.

 

[MI6]

I dont know who does what in their private life.

But I do know that anal sex, vibrators, etc are sick. We are to be holy because we are God's creations.

I doubt that true believers take part in such atrocities.

 

[Heber]

I dont know who does what in their private life.

But I do know that anal sex, vibrators, etc are sick. We are to be holy because we are God's creations.

I doubt that true believers take part in such atrocities.

MI6

That doesn't seem to have stopped you from making clear implications that one of the posters (or more) have been taking part in a form of sexual activity that you find disgraceful. You have made your comments at a personal level and that is simply not acceptable by most of us and is probably why you are getting so much flack from people.

It is a bit late to protest your innocence! Perhaps you should try being holy in your dealings with people, not just in your selfrighteous pronouncements?

 

[MI6]

I'm sorry, who did I think did those things? No one said they did.

 

[Heber]

There is nothing in God's commandments that say two women cannot have sex with each other. Does that make it ok? Vibrators and plastic genitalia were created by satan and his race. Mankind invents evil things out of their lusts.

What about patience and healing naturally? You waited until you got married, so that you could have a holy union. Dont cheapen it with the world's evil.

The clear implication here is that my friend may be cheapening her marriage with the 'world's evils' ie the things you speak against. You made it clearly personal to her.

I would never attend a church where people thought it was ok to do such unholy acts. I would stay in the temple

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This is your response to the same lady - the implication is that you would not go to her church because she thought it was OK to do these things, which she had not, in fact, said.

 

[MI6]

I didnt mean it in that way. She was sayìng "what if" and I was responding to that what if situation.

A Christian friend of mine said that normal people do not partake in these kind of things. I dont think anyone here fits into that "not normal" category.

He said that people who do those things do not know how to enjoy the kind of relations God would want them to have.

They would have to do more stranger things for that high. Anyway, he assured me that those people are probably not born again, so you cant blame them for how they act.

 

[Heber]

I didnt mean it in that way. She was sayìng "what if" and I was responding to that what if situation.

A Christian friend of mine said that normal people do not partake in these kind of things. I dont think anyone here fits into that "not normal" category.

He said that people who do those things do not know how to enjoy the kind of relations God would want them to have.

They would have to do more stranger things for that high. Anyway, he assured me that those people are probably not born again, so you cant blame them for how they act.

Yes, she said 'what if' but your response was clearly personal to her and her marriage and not, therefore, a generalisation, as you now claim.

I think at the very least you owe her an apology, not me.

 

[MI6]

She did not say anything to me about it. If she is upset she can pm me and we can talk about it.

 

[Heber]

Sounds like a wriggle there - the Bible tells us to take the initiative, not sit back and hope nothing happens!

 

[MI6]

Who is upset here? You or her? If she is, let her tell me.

 

[Heber]

That is a cowardly and non-Biblical response!

Yet you have the chutzpah to tell us how to live G_dly and holy lives! Your credibility and integrity are shattered in pieces, I think.

 

[MI6]

I'll talk with her any time if she is upset by what I said. I can try and explain my words.

 

[Kris10leigh]

She did not say anything to me about it. If she is upset she can pm me and we can talk about it.

Oh, no, no, no. I personally think a woman should NOT PM you about the way you are regarding her. That would make me extremely uncomfortable. Besides which, since when does the wrongly accused have to be the first to make amends?