The Not Listening Excuse...

[benedictaoo]

I am being truthful and I'm glad you read my counter argument. It is true that I believe we should just trust God and not pray to creatures.

I spent time on my position. Which was what I was supposed to do.

That isn't accusatory at all. I didn't name names it was a universal position that includes everyone. I honestly do think we should all just trust God.

You see? I wasn't attacking anyone. I was just defending my position. I honestly do apologize for keeping it up so long and keeping you around until 2:30 arguing with me however.

Are you going to listen to what I have to say?

Yes or no?

Trusting God and praying to "creatures" ....which BTW, I find offense becuase how would you like it if someone referred to your children as "creatures"?

All you are doing is trying to dehumaise those who have gone before us becuase it helps fuel your opposition.

any way, it's not a dichotomy. It's not trust God or pray to the Saints. It is trust God and pray to the Saints.

Get it...? The devil is in the details... it's these little details you do not pay attention to.

And do not respond back to me with any kind of reference that Jesus asks us to worship Him.. because then you have just gone off on a tangent that is irrelevant.

I am not asking you to agree with the, since day one, practice of Communion of the Saints, just that, do you get that you are creating a false dichotomy?

a yes or a no will do.

You ave created a false dichotomy and once that house of cards fall down, you got nothing.

The bible IN NO WAY teaches this dichotomy, that is totally read in there by ANTI CATHOLICS. Look it up.

 

[DD2008]

I Didn't see the Mod's post

This is killing me.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I Didn't see the Mod's post

I saw the mod here before he posted

 

[MamaZ]

Yes we are listening but are you doing the same. Do you listen to us when we tell you things that we have been taught by the Apostles in the scriptures and also in the OT? Listening is a two way road..Do you listen to why it is hard for us to believe when the evidence speaks differently?

 

[MamaZ]

even a statue made in honor of someone is different

but you believe that the Mary Statue has spiritual significance in itself do you not?

No more Mary this thread is about listening..

 

[&Abel]

I saw the mod here before he posted

I saw him too but I was caught up in posting and didn't see his reply

 

[&Abel]

No more Mary this thread is about listening..

yes I think I just explained that I didn't see his post(and maybe you didn't see mine)

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I saw him too but I was caught up in posting and didn't see his reply

Yeah. I have typed up a post and by the time it post there are already 3 posts put up before mine posts

 

[&Abel]

it does happen

this is a forum and like 4 people can reply while your in the middle of a quote and next thing you know your on the next page

 

[DD2008]

Bene. I apologize again.

I've got to go. I've got dinner and a movie planned tonight with the family.

See ya'll later.

 

[benedictaoo]

even a statue made in honor of someone is different

but you believe that the Mary Statue has spiritual significance in itself do you not?

The statue? No.

Now are they miraculous statues and other objects...? there are. and GOD grants the object the miraculousness because he sets it aside to use for His holy purpose.

Now the question for you, why do you limit God's power and His interaction with us down here?

Why can't or why won't God interact with us through His Saints?

 

[Hentenza]

I think we all need to invest in a pair of these.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Bene. I apologize again.

I've got to go. I've got dinner and a movie planned tonight with the family.

See ya'll later.

Why not take a laptop with ya and just post from yer dinner

 

[Hentenza]

The statue? No.

Now are they miraculous statues and other objects...? there are. and GOD grants the object the miraculousness because he sets it aside to use for His holy purpose.

Now the question for you, why do you limit God's power and His interaction with us down here?

Why can't or why won't God interact with us through His Saints?

Could we please get back on topic?

 

[benedictaoo]

Bene. I apologize again.

I've got to go. I've got dinner and a movie planned tonight with the family.

See ya'll later.

How convenient- so you do not have to answer.

 

[&Abel]

The statue? No.

Now are they miraculous statues and other objects...? there are. and GOD grants the object the miraculousness because he sets it aside to use for His holy purpose.

Now the question for you, why do you limit God's power and His interaction with us down here?

Why can't or why won't God interact with us through His Saints?

I can't discuss this but claiming that god blesses the object is exactly why this fits into the commandment I posted

but my lips are sealed from now on

 

[MamaZ]

I can't discuss this but claiming that god blesses the object is exactly why this fits into the commandment I posted

but my lips are sealed from now on

 

[MamaZ]

How convenient- so you do not have to answer.

Listening goes both ways bene don't you agree?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I can't discuss this but claiming that god blesses the object is exactly why this fits into the commandment I posted

but my lips are sealed from now on

I think this thread should be "sealed"

Ephes 4:30 and no be ye sorrowing the spirit, the holy, of the God, in which ye were sealed/esfragisqhte <4972> (5681) into a Day of redemption/apo-lutrwsewV <629>.

Luke 21:28 Beginning yet these-things to be becoming, up-bend ye! and lift-up! the heads of ye, thru-that is nearing the redemption/apo-lutrwsiV <629> of ye

 

[benedictaoo]

Yes we are listening but are you doing the same. Do you listen to us when we tell you things that we have been taught by the Apostles in the scriptures and also in the OT? Listening is a two way road..Do you listen to why it is hard for us to believe when the evidence speaks differently?

I do listen when you tell me that you don't believe this or that but this is what you really believe.

There is no motivation, nothing in it for me for me to hang on thinking you believe things you in reality do not.

Like soul sleep... You said that is not your belief so I accept that- I would then try to grasp truly what you do believe... I'm sure I'll disagree but I do sincerely want to know what you believe and not hang on to myths and lies.

Y'all do not give us that grace.

We say we do not idolize a statue or Mary and that what you accuse us of is not what idol worship even is.... and you refuse to accept that. *shrug*