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–noun
1. the material world, esp. as surrounding humankind and existing independently of human activities.
2. the natural world as it exists without human beings or civilization.
3. the elements of the natural world, as mountains, trees, animals, or rivers.
4. natural scenery.
5.
the universe, with all its phenomena.
6.
the sum total of the forces at work throughout the universe.
7.
reality, as distinguished from any effect of art: a portrait true to nature.
8.
the particular combination of qualities belonging to a person, animal, thing, or class by birth, origin, or constitution; native or inherent character: human nature.
9.
the instincts or inherent tendencies directing conduct: a man of good nature.
10. character, kind, or sort: two books of the same nature.
11. characteristic disposition; temperament: a self-willed nature; an evil nature.
12. the original, natural, uncivilized condition of humankind.
13. the biological functions or the urges to satisfy their requirements.
14. a primitive, wild condition; an uncultivated state.
15. a simple, uncluttered mode of life without the conveniences or distractions of civilization: a return to nature.
16. (initial capital letter, italics
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) a prose work (1836), by Ralph Waldo Emerson, expounding transcendentalism.
17. Theology. the moral state as unaffected by grace.
—Idioms
18. by nature, as a result of inborn or inherent qualities; innately: She is by nature a kindhearted person.
19. in a state of nature, a. in an uncivilized or uncultured condition. b. without clothes; nude; naked.
20. of or in the nature of, having the character or qualities of: in the nature of an apology.

Whilst perusing various discussions and debates in various forums pertaining to ethics and morality (woo!) I came across several instances where people would back their position or opinion with statements along the lines of "It's unnatural" or "It's a natural thing".

It came to me that much of what we define as right and wrong, as acceptable or taboo- is largely dependent on our thoughts of nature and being natural.

I would assume that since all things exist in this universe, all things, by the very definition of existence- are natural. Not even the obscurity or the complexity of any particular human behavior is exempt. I don't think it's appropriate to link nature or 'being natural' to any opinion regarding ethics or morality.

How can we, as people define the boundaries of nature? We are not third-party observers of it. We function _in_ it. Our understanding of what nature is, is vital. But, what can we truly say we know about it?

What do you think?:mmh:
 
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na⋅ture


–noun
1. the material world, esp. as surrounding humankind and existing independently of human activities.
2. the natural world as it exists without human beings or civilization.
3. the elements of the natural world, as mountains, trees, animals, or rivers.
4. natural scenery.
5. the universe, with all its phenomena.
6. the sum total of the forces at work throughout the universe.
7. reality, as distinguished from any effect of art: a portrait true to nature.
8. the particular combination of qualities belonging to a person, animal, thing, or class by birth, origin, or constitution; native or inherent character: human nature.
9. the instincts or inherent tendencies directing conduct: a man of good nature.
10. character, kind, or sort: two books of the same nature.
11. characteristic disposition; temperament: a self-willed nature; an evil nature.
12. the original, natural, uncivilized condition of humankind.
13. the biological functions or the urges to satisfy their requirements.
14. a primitive, wild condition; an uncultivated state.
15. a simple, uncluttered mode of life without the conveniences or distractions of civilization: a return to nature.
16. (initial capital letter, italics
thinsp.png
) a prose work (1836), by Ralph Waldo Emerson, expounding transcendentalism.
17. Theology. the moral state as unaffected by grace.
—Idioms
18. by nature, as a result of inborn or inherent qualities; innately: She is by nature a kindhearted person.
19. in a state of nature, a. in an uncivilized or uncultured condition. b. without clothes; nude; naked.
20. of or in the nature of, having the character or qualities of: in the nature of an apology.

Whilst perusing various discussions and debates in various forums pertaining to ethics and morality (woo!) I came across several instances where people would back their position or opinion with statements along the lines of "It's unnatural" or "It's a natural thing".

It came to me that much of what we define as right and wrong, as acceptable or taboo- is largely dependent on our thoughts of nature and being natural.

I would assume that since all things exist in this universe, all things, by the very definition of existence- are natural. Not even the obscurity or the complexity of any particular human behavior is exempt. I don't think it's appropriate to link nature or 'being natural' to any opinion regarding ethics or morality.

How can we, as people define the boundaries of nature? We are not third-party observers of it. We function _in_ it. Our understanding of what nature is, is vital. But, what can we truly say we know about it?

What do you think?:mmh:

The digestive tract, from begining to end is not a sex organ.

Naturally.



:groupray:----- I just pray that science some day is important to social activists.

:groupray:
--\-------- Don't hold your breathe.
 
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The digestive tract, from begining to end is not a sex organ.

Naturally.

Yet, we see various other animals whom would have sex for pleasure, not for reproduction. Their behavior is not unnatural. Human's cannot be any different in that sense.

Do you define nature by anatomy only?

Also, this is not just a homosexuality thread. Human decisions to do things such as clone plant and animal species or build something like the super-collider, are part of 'human nature' are they not?
 
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The digestive tract, from begining to end is not a sex organ.

Naturally.



:groupray:----- I just pray that science some day is important to social activists.

:groupray:
--\-------- Don't hold your breathe.

So, I imagine then you would have objected to oral sex from a woman when you were single?
 
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The human species has two sexes, male and female, which reproduce. Thats natural.

Its is also true that some within those sexes throughout the animal kingdom perform sexual acts on each other as well, some of those humans do because they like it. But most humans do not like it or do it so its only natural for some.

Therefore overall its not natural according to design or function, and not natural according to the norm.

The gay thinking has the idea it is. which is as dysfucntional as the reality.
 
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Yet, we see various other animals whom would have sex for pleasure, not for reproduction. Their behavior is not unnatural. Human's cannot be any different in that sense.

Do you define nature by anatomy only?

Also, this is not just a homosexuality thread.


Human decisions to do things such as clone plant and animal species or build something like the super-collider, are part of 'human nature' are they not?


Who you kidding?
 
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So, I imagine then you would have objected to oral sex from a woman when you were single?

Deviance is not always unpleasurable.

Soemthing tells me I'm right yet again about the gay activism coming down the tarcks in this thread TOO.

Cugga-chugga-chugga-chugga . . .

It's truly prophetic.
 
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Deviance is not always unpleasurable.

Soemthing tells me I'm right yet again about the gay activism coming down the tarcks in this thread TOO.

Cugga-chugga-chugga-chugga . . .

It's truly prophetic.

I didn't say anything about homosexuality. I was just asking if you would've objected. You are not a prophet in any meaning of the word.
 
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The human species has two sexes, male and female, which reproduce. Thats natural.

Its is also true that some within those sexes throughout the animal kingdom perform sexual acts on each other as well, some of those humans do because they like it.

Despite being unnatural by form or function, is it truly unnatural? Our mentality and behavior exists in nature as well.

It is the same very human nature that fills us with desire to fly, discover, explore, help one another, ease our life with tool that we create... anything you can think of.

But most humans do not like it or do it so its only natural for some.

Therefore overall its not natural according to design or function, and not natural according to the norm.

Exactly... It is a natural tendency for those people to desire to do as such. Just as it is natural for many more not to. The point of "nature" is mute and should not be argued one way or another. Hence, my entire thread.

The gay thinking has the idea it is. which is as dysfucntional as the reality.

Again, what we decide as socially acceptable should be separate from what we define "nature" as.
 
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No one. I'm serious.

It'll get gayified, I have no doubt. They all do.

This thread is just bigger than you poly.

I just measured it and you're wrong. It'll take a lot of posts for that to be reality. Especially if I crunch all the sentences together.

That's all you appear to think about.

Well at leats that's a change from the ubiquitous homophobia-style treatment I usally get. But I'm thinking that if B&W has a rock to throw at me for being a false prophet, I'm as safe as John the Baptist. By the way, he wasn't felled by a stone. Just in case you didn't know.
 
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What is it with some christians, that they just can't stop thinking about gay sex?

It's not like any of us label ourselves by our preferred sex acts. And thank you for affirming the gayifying this thread.

I knew I was safe from B & W's rock. 99.97%. Still makes me no prophet, but I'm cool with the position.
 
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It's not like any of us label ourselves by our preferred sex acts. And thank you for affirming the gayifying this thread.

I knew I was safe from B & W's rock. 99.97%. Still makes me no prophet, but I'm cool with the position.

So, the first person to bring up any notion of gay sex in this thread was who? The same person claiming to be a prophet that it's in the thread!
 
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So, the first person to bring up any notion of gay sex in this thread was who? The same person claiming to be a prophet that it's in the thread!

You do know how the whole prophet thing goes don't you?

Why not just admit I'm right.
 
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So, the first person to bring up any notion of gay sex in this thread was who?

The same person claiming to be a prophet that it's in the thread!

Whoa, whoa. I've never claimed to be a prophet. "If" you mean "me."

I just assert that I know a leftist ploy when I see 362,997 of them in a row.
 
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