How can RCs and Protestants reconcile

[Rhamiel]

Let me ask you all a question. Are our churches (RC and Protestant orthodox churches) complimentary?

i know the Catholic and Orthodox Churches are complimentary, because the Orthodox have a Western Rite and the Catholics have Eastern Rites, so I would think with all our differances, we can get along, complimentary is a good term, because there will always be differances between the East and West, but it does not need to be antagonistic, I think they are differant ways of thinking for differant peoples.
I would hope that Protestant Christianity is complimentary to Apostolic Christianity, we have a lot to learn from eachother, but to tell the truth, sometimes it seems bleak

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

It would be this group of people,...

Yepperz

http://christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=50555794&postcount=82

 

[chestertonrules]

Yes. because we're all able ministers of the gospel of Christ.
But mostly because all authority and gifting comes directly
from God, sometimes through other men, sometimes not.


The catholic Church.

If i were Roman Catholic, I'd nominate you for the next open
position btw. The pope should be very proud of you.

You are too kind.


Still, I have to ask you. Given this passage below, it appears that this authorization was important to the early Church.

What makes you think it stopped being important?


Acts 15

23With them they sent the following letter: The apostles and elders, your brothers, To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia: Greetings. 24We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The catholic Church.

If i were Roman Catholic, I'd nominate you for the next open
position btw. The pope should be very proud of you.

Want the pope's email and phone number and we can send a petition to have chester added to the next election of the College of the Cardinals?

 

[chestertonrules]

Want the pope's email and phone number and we can send a petition to have chester added to the next election of the College of the Cardinals?

I'm not sure my wife and five kids would go for that.

How about an honorary degree, nicely framed?

 

[sunlover1]

You are too kind.

I'll try harder

Still, I have to ask you. Given this passage below, it appears that this authorization was important to the early Church.

What makes you think it stopped being important?

I dont. It's still important.
Do you know that in my church we arent even allowed
to hold a bible study in our homes without permission.
Well, a formal study with folks from our church. Because
of that very reason

Acts 15

23With them they sent the following letter: The apostles and elders, your brothers, To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia: Greetings. 24We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said

 

[Hentenza]

What is your interpretation?

Do you believe those not authorized can claim authority to teach and lead in the Church?

If so, why?

Here is the context of the verse you quoted from act 14.

19 Then Jews from Antioch and Iconium came there; and having persuaded the multitudes, they stoned Paul and dragged him out of the city, supposing him to be dead. 20 However, when the disciples gathered around him, he rose up and went into the city. And the next day he departed with Barnabas to Derbe.
21 And when they had preached the gospel to that city and made many disciples, they returned to Lystra, Iconium, and Antioch, 22 strengthening the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith, and saying, “We must through many tribulations enter the kingdom of God.” 23 So when they had appointed elders in every church, and prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord in whom they had believed. 24 And after they had passed through Pisidia, they came to Pamphylia. 25 Now when they had preached the word in Perga, they went down to Attalia. 26 From there they sailed to Antioch, where they had been commended to the grace of God for the work which they had completed.
27 Now when they had come and gathered the church together, they reported all that God had done with them, and that He had opened the door of faith to the Gentiles. 28 So they stayed there a long time with the disciples. (NKJV)

What these verses do not say is that the elders that Paul and Barnabas appointed were to report to a higher earthly authority. The only authority that these elders were commended to was "to the Lord in whom they had believed". Verse 27 and 28 make it clear that they stayed with them a long time sharing what God had done for them. No further reporting to a higher earthly authority is even implied. Undoubtedly the laying on of hands in the early church was a means of connecting the message with the messenger, or the spiritual gift with the gifted giver and is only used by God when it is done in agreement with God's Word..

 

[Thekla]

I'll try harder




I dont. It's still important.
Do you know that in my church we arent even allowed
to hold a bible study in our homes without permission.
Well, a formal study with folks from our church. Because
of that very reason

Traditionalist !!!!!

()

 

[sunlover1]

Want the pope's email and phone number and we can send a petition to have chester added to the next election of the College of the Cardinals?

I'm not sure my wife and five kids would go for that.

How about an honorary degree, nicely framed?

You deserve it !!

 

[Christ+a]

If not the Catholic Church, which Church do you think it was?

a body of believers fitted and joined together; HIS body on earth with HIM as the head.
a temple of living stones.
a household.
a family.
a bride.

 

[chestertonrules]

What these verses do not say is that the elders that Paul and Barnabas appointed were to report to a higher earthly authority. The only authority that these elders were commended to was "to the Lord in whom they had believed". Verse 27 and 28 make it clear that they stayed with them a long time sharing what God had done for them. No further reporting to a higher earthly authority is even implied. Undoubtedly the laying on of hands in the early church was a means of connecting the message with the messenger, or the spiritual gift with the gifted giver and is only used by God when it is done in agreement with God's Word..

Hmmm....

What did the believers in Antioch do when they had a doctrinal dispute?

(see Acts 15)

 

[sunlover1]

Traditionalist !!!!!

()

If that's a dis,: I know you are but what am i?

If that's a compliment: Why thank you !

(Good to see you thekla, this thread is HOT, wow)

 

[chestertonrules]

a body of believers fitted and joined together; HIS body on earth with HIM as the head.
a temple of living stones.
a household.
a family.
a bride.

Does this household believe that abortion is OK with God?

Does this household believe in infant baptism?

Does this household believe once saved always saved?

Does this household believe that the real body and blood of Christ are present in the Eucharist?



Whose household is this? Is it one as Jesus and the Father are one?

 

[chestertonrules]

You deserve it !!

YES!! I want one like that.

See what you can do LLOJ. Throw a little Greek at them!


How in the world did you find that so fast?

Do you have a papal image collection?

 

[Hentenza]

Hmmm....

What did the believers in Antioch do when they had a doctrinal dispute?

(see Acts 15)

LOL!!! I guess we have to go through that one again.

Verses in context.

22 Then it pleased the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas, namely, Judas who was also named Barsabas, and Silas, leading men among the brethren.
23 They wrote this, letter by them:
The apostles, the elders, and the brethren,

To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia:

Greetings.

24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law”—to whom we gave no such commandment— 25 it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.

Farewell. (NKJV)


Tell me, did they come from Rome? What church did they come from? Was the church in Jerusalem more or less mature than the churches of Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia? Were the apostles alive then? Do you find it reasonable that these young churches needed temp help with apostolic teaching?

 

[sunlover1]

YES!! I want one like that.

See what you can do LLOJ. Throw a little Greek at them!

Just think, you'd be the envy of all of your friends!
I can see it now:

Better wear these in public

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

YES!! I want one like that.

See what you can do LLOJ. Throw a little Greek at them!


How in the world did you find that so fast?

Do you have a papal image collection?

Umm, the RCs only read LATIN

 

[chestertonrules]

LOL!!! I guess we have to go through that one again.

Verses in context.

22 Then it pleased the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas, namely, Judas who was also named Barsabas, and Silas, leading men among the brethren.
23 They wrote this, letter by them:
The apostles, the elders, and the brethren,

To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia:

Greetings.

24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law”—to whom we gave no such commandment— 25 it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.

Farewell. (NKJV)


Tell me, did they come from Rome? What church did they come from? Was the church in Jerusalem more or less mature than the churches of Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia? Were the apostles alive then? Do you find it reasonable that these young churches needed temp help with apostolic teaching?

The Church was based in Jerusalem at the time.

That is irrelevant. The location of the Church has nothing to do with its authority.

What is relevant is that the Christians at Antioch didn't split and they didn't just make up their own doctrine.

They consulted the leaders of the Church who were authorized by Jesus to issue a statement of truth.

 

[chestertonrules]

Umm, the RCs only read LATIN

Perhaps this will increase my chances!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Perhaps this will increase my chances!

otan de elqh ekeinoV to pneuma thV alhqeiaV odhghsei umaV eiV pasan thn alhqeian ou gar lalhsei af eautou all osa an akoush lalhsei kai ta ercomena anaggelei umin