How can RCs and Protestants reconcile

[Rhamiel]

so is anybody talking about how the three groups could join up agian?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

so is anybody talking about how the three groups could join up agian?

So far from the RCs it is only by becoming RC

 

[ARBITER01]

I didn't read through all the stuff in this thread, but unless both sides have the same rules to follow and adhere to, then nothing will be in agreement,... ever. That is probably best.

 

[squint]

I didn't bring it up a single time, actually.

Oh please. Any casual review will readily yield the RCC position, as prior noted and as you have also noted EVEN when you do not take those notations to their logical conclusion.

However, I do believe that a rejection of the Church Jesus founded is defined as heresy.

Exactly. So you've warned us all more than sufficiently and I'd suggest you now take your own churches advice.

The Church's position on heresy is much more nuanced and complicated than you seem to understand.

No, it's not. It is open and viewable for anyone to examine. I've done this drill with many RCC adherents and many of them do not know themselves of the facts and what their group requires.

http://christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=49534622&postcount=103

http://christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=43999731&postcount=119

"Everything that was infallibly decided by these councils is still infallibly settled. This has consequences under current canon law. Those things that are both divinely revealed by God and proposed as such by the Church cannot be obdurately denied or doubted without the offense of heresy (CIC [1983] 751). Heresy does carry a penalty of automatic (latae sententiae) excommunication (can. 1041, 2º),"

http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2000/0004chap.asp

So, yeah, we have your groups 'brand.' Move on.

enjoy!

squint

 

[Hentenza]

That is an opinion. Period.

Heresy is an introduced change to some system of belief, especially a religion, that conflicts with the previously established canon of that belief.

Not an opinion. Read up on your history. Folks that have not been heretic can fall into heresy. That includes ANY church. Notice that my statement was qualified with Protestant "orthodox" churches.

Of course, you might still have the opinion that ALL protestant churches teach heresy which would only be your opinion and not conducive to any kind of civil discussion.

 

[sunlover1]

That's not how I read it.

I didnt think so, but it's something someone may consider
so I posted it.

Not true. We disagree strongly on many important aspects of the Christian faith.

What does that have to do with God LEADING us?
Because WE're idiots, that means God didnt TRY to
speak to our hard hearts?
I can tell you first hand, been there done that, and a day
doesnt go by probably that I dont thank Him for trying
and persisting even though I've been stiffnecked or foolish.

AFA this thread, I dont see the possibility of any reconciliation in light
of the fact that we speak different languages.
Love though, that's a different story. We do have that.

Reconciliation is always possible, but love is mandatory.

Otherwise, we are just clanging cymbals

You're right, I just get discouraged.
Sorry, of course you're right.
Blessings CR.

 

[Rhamiel]

So far from the RCs it is only by becoming RC

well it would involve becomeing Catholic, but there are a lot of ways the Catholic Church could change, I am sure that for reunification of the EO and the RC, a lot would have to change on both sides, no doctrine ofcourse, but many of the dynamics would alter

 

[archierieus]

so is anybody talking about how the three groups could join up agian?

Yes, there has been much discussion of that on this thread. I thought there had been some progress in the direction of recognizing that we all bring something to the table, we are all players, of affirming and legitimizing each individual and respecting his or her beliefs. A communion of believers seeking common ground and sharing ideas and perspectives. Hope that will happen!

 

[Hentenza]

Some of the doctrines of Protestantism that the Catholic Church considers heretical are the belief that the Bible is the only source and rule of faith ("sola scriptura"), that faith alone can lead to salvation ("sola fide") and that there is no sacramental, ministerial priesthood attained by ordination.

It is unfortunate that instead of concentrating on a dialogue you continue to bring points of dissension and calling them heresy. I can equally list a number of RC teachings that my church considers "heretical", however, we don't dwell on it like the RC does.

Again, the RC proponents will have to get of their high horse before any civil dialogue can occur.

 

[archierieus]

well it would involve becomeing Catholic,

That is unacceptable. How would you feel if I, for example, said it would involve Catholics becoming Protestants? In either case, not a thing to bring to the table.

 

[visionary]

IT will be a covenant of peace.. like an ecumenical gathering, united yet individual organizational differences for the soul purpose of bring everyone together. There everyone will learn to "hush hush about this and that regarding the others" and "NO stealing sheep from another flock." and "submit to the political dictates".... until we are all one...

which has nothing to do with a relationship with God.

 

[Hentenza]

That is unacceptable.

We are all "c"atholic not "C"atholic.

 

[Thekla]

(think I'll check back at a later time - not trying to be non-responsive)

 

[archierieus]

So has there been some progress on this thread? Is there an agreement to refrain from incendiary labels like heretic, for example? May the participants find involvment here as seekers after truth and, as Visionary mentioned, not as sheep-stealers? Can there be civil discussion of various ideas, leaving the barbs out? I like that Hentenza posted the forum-specific rules. That kinda settles it, doesn't it?

 

[Hentenza]

(think I'll check back at a later time - not trying to be non-responsive)

I can send you a virtual cookie of your choice to cheer you up. No calories.

 

[chestertonrules]

What does that have to do with God LEADING us?
Because WE're idiots, that means God didnt TRY to
speak to our hard hearts?
I can tell you first hand, been there done that, and a day
doesnt go by probably that I dont thank Him for trying
and persisting even though I've been stiffnecked or foolish.


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That's why we are not to lean on our own understanding.

Jesus wants us unified. We won't be unified if we all believe that God is leading us in different directions.

This is why Jesus founded his Church on a single person and why he gave Peter alone the keys to the Kingdom.

No Hierarchy=No Unity.

"That they may be one as you and I are one"

Jesus and the Father don't disagree about anything.

 

[Rhamiel]

So has there been some progress on this thread? Is there an agreement to refrain from incendiary labels like heretic, for example? May the participants find involvment here as seekers after truth and, as Visionary mentioned, not as sheep-stealers? Can there be civil discussion of various ideas, leaving the barbs out? I like that Hentenza posted the forum-specific rules. That kinda settles it, doesn't it?

i will do what I can

 

[ARBITER01]

That's why we are not to lean on our own understanding.

Jesus wants us unified. We won't be unified if we all believe that God is leading us in different directions.

This is why Jesus founded his Church on a single person and why he gave Peter alone the keys to the Kingdom.

No Hierarchy=No Unity.

"That they may be one as you and I are one"

Jesus and the Father don't disagree about anything.

Sorry, but your ideas are merely religious. The catholic church could fall off the face of the planet and GOD would not blink an eye about it, and it certainly would not stop/curtail what HE is currently doing with HIS body.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Thekla (think I'll check back at a later time - not trying to be non-responsive)

I can send you a virtual cookie of your choice to cheer you up. No calories.

And I will send her a cookie cutter

Russian Orthodox Cross Copper Cookie Cutter

 

[chestertonrules]

Sorry, but your ideas are merely religious. The catholic church could fall off the face of the planet and GOD would not blink an eye about it, and it certainly would not stop curtail what HE is currently doing with HIS body.

Do you believe that Jesus wants his followers to be one as he and the father are one?

Do you believe that the Holy Spirit is leading the church into all truth?

Do you believe that if we reject those sent by Jesus we are rejecting him?