How can RCs and Protestants reconcile

[Thekla]

Of course it isn't. We have Masons to consider, and I already mentioned the banksters as well. There is more than a couple of groups with global agendas. They must all be addressed, but there being more than one is no excuse to dismiss any of them for their crimes. And we're talking about far-reaching political crimes of history shaping proportion. This is a level of entry for anti-RC sentiment more so than resentment of immigrants or fear of Church loyalty outweighing patriotism.


Yeah, well... Many of our nations politicians and lawyers are educated at Jesuit run universities and belong to groups under their influence. I'm not trying to paint a picture of overwhelming sinister darkness, but to deny these things go on or to trivialize. minimize, or marginalize them is dangerous too.

I disagree -- if we're to have concern for RCs pilitical influence, why not for non-RC political influence ? The power of the US is pretty huge. The power of the non-RC British Empire was massive. If we're to be concerned about this issue, we can't just look in one direction.

And many of our politicos (and politicos of other countries) are Harvard educated. Its not a Jesuit institution.

And this sort of problem is a human problem.

(as before, the US brought missionaries into Alaska to care for the children, and "Christianize" the children who had been forcibly removed from their Orthodox Christian homes for this purpose. The EO is the RC ? where did that resentment come from ?)

 

[sunlover1]

but all I see is a lot of insults

A few, yes.

Give me an example.....

NEWSFLASH!

RCC member has moment of clarity. Not yet officially confirmed by the Vatican.

 

[katholikos]

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[Albion]

How about beginning now?

No one uses any post to promote his church.
No one accuses another church of any wrongdoing.
We all discuss ideas for reconciling the churches or people without suggesting that any side has been wrong.

 

[chestertonrules]

How about this?

No one uses any post to promote his church.
No one accuses another church of any wrongdoing.
We all discuss ideas for reconciling the churches or people without suggesing that any side has been wrong.

One side or all sides must be wrong if we disagree.

All sides can be sincere in their love of Jesus and their neighbor, however.

 

[archierieus]

In fact, I think all Catholics should be active both overtly and covertly in counter-reformationist actions.

That, I suggest, may be a significant part of the problem. What you appear to be saying is that you are not willing to 'live and let live,' to recognize Protestants as followers of Jesus and members of legitimate Christian fellowships, not to 'let them be,' but to 'overtly and covertly' try to counter their belief and religious practice. That does not make for fellowship.

Thus, I have a question . . . what IS the purpose of this type of discussion forum? To exchange ideas and share beliefs, or to subvert and to proselytize? Which is it? This may be more in Hentenza's General Theology thread, but while we're here, which direction? How can we have harmonious fellowship when there is a subversive agenda going on?

Dave

 

[Thekla]

How about beginning now?

No one uses any post to promote his church.
No one accuses another church of any wrongdoing.
We all discuss ideas for reconciling the churches or people without suggesting that any side has been wrong.

a positive start, thanks

 

[Rick Otto]

Oh no.
I believe that it is His body/His blood. Always have and always will.
And yes, the Lord's Supper is a very reverent and amazing time of
the week. In our church, we pray for the sick after communion.

Me too.
I always accepted the metaphor as mysterious enough. I never felt comfortable with people literalizing it. That to me, was just them demonstrating their willingness to trust the priests beyond & against common sense and God-given reason. It always appeared to be affection for religion rather than priority on relationship. I believe sacrament can be a means of grace, but I don't consider it absolutely necessary.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

NEWSFLASH!

Protestant hurls typical insult. Not unknown to the Vatican.

Have no fear. The Vatican is well guarded

 

[chestertonrules]

Oh no.
I believe that it is His body/His blood. Always have and always will.
And yes, the Lord's Supper is a very reverent and amazing time of
the week. In our church, we pray for the sick after communion.

Does your current church teach this about the eucharist?

 

[archierieus]

How about beginning now?

No one uses any post to promote his church.
No one accuses another church of any wrongdoing.

I will second and third and fourth that.

We all discuss ideas for reconciling the churches or people without suggesting that any side has been wrong.

As for that, I would want to focus on the Word and compare ideas with Scripture. The marketplace of ideas concept.

Dave

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Does your current church teach this about the eucharist?

Mine does not even mention the eucharist....I also do NOT believe in the RP....beside, there is a board to discuss that

 

[archierieus]

Does your current church teach this about the eucharist?

Recognize that different churches have different understandings about that, and let it be. I think there were a couple of threads about that recently. Live and let live. Based on my study of Scripture, I believe the RC teaching about transubstantiation is contrary to Scripture. I think it is dead wrong. But I hadn't planned to beat that horse here. However, if you want to go 'once more unto the breach,' then by all means start ANOTHER thread on it, and perhaps I will participate and go to bat.

Dave

 

[Thekla]

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I will second and third and fourth that.



As for that, I would want to focus on the Word and compare ideas with Scripture. The marketplace of ideas concept.

Dave

can pre-reformation Church folks utilize what they received ?

 

[Rick Otto]

Originally Posted by chestertonrules

In fact, I think all Catholics should be active both overtly and covertly in counter-reformationist actions.
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I actualy don't have a problem with this as I consider it to be the reality of what happens anyway, whether we consciously intend it or not.
I appreciate Chez bein' up front about it.
It kinda blows his cover, tho. lol
...But I think he & I both prefer our reality a little on the stark side, in sharp focus.

 

[Mikeb85]

Pardon my correction, but don't you mean you've never been Roman?
we were were all Catholic for the first 1000yrs or so, even if we weren't all Roman.

I said, "We've never not been Catholic" (ie. we've always been Catholic). BTW, the 'Byzantine' empire in it's heyday was considered the 'Eastern Roman Empire'. But no, we've never been Roman Catholic the way the RCC defines it today.

 

[Albion]

One side or all sides must be wrong if we disagree.

What I wrote was that no one SAY it, even if we each may think it.

 

[archierieus]

beside, there is a board to discuss that

Yeah, take it over there, Chesterton.

 

[chestertonrules]

That, I suggest, may be a significant part of the problem. What you appear to be saying is that you are not willing to 'live and let live,' to recognize Protestants as followers of Jesus and members of legitimate Christian fellowships, not to 'let them be,' but to 'overtly and covertly' try to counter their belief and religious practice. That does not make for fellowship.

Thus, I have a question . . . what IS the purpose of this type of discussion forum? To exchange ideas and share beliefs, or to subvert and to proselytize? Which is it? This may be more in Hentenza's General Theology thread, but while we're here, which direction? How can we have harmonious fellowship when there is a subversive agenda going on?

Dave

Did the apostles live and let live?

My agenda is not subversive. My desire is to spread the truth. I am not in any way disguising my beliefs or desires.

We are discussing potential ways of reconciling all Christians.

I believe the best path to Christian unity is for all Christians to recognize that Jesus founded only one Church and that this Church still exists.

I understand that many disagree.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I said, "We've never not been Catholic" (ie. we've always been Catholic). BTW, the 'Byzantine' empire in it's heyday was considered the 'Eastern Roman Empire'. But no, we've never been Roman Catholic the way the RCC defines it today.

If I remember correctly, the Orthodox believe it was the RCC that broke away from orthodoxy, correct?