Lifetime's Prayers for Bobby

[Zaac]

This was the start of the identification of Aids/Hiv, not the original carriers, the disease had already been in N.America for decades by the time they identified it.


Truth is no one knows for sure how it originally reached the US, so you're trying to lay the blame at the feet of these men is only showing your own opinion of the origin, not evidence. Try again.

*

Look at you Gary. Getting feisty already. Don't tell me that the non-Christian areas have jaded you already? :o

 

[Garyzenuf]

Opinion of the origin? this is the official recording of it when it came in the US.

No it's not, even the article itself says that.

On technically ground it was officially recorded by 5 gay men in L.A. and theres nothing you can really do about it.

Why should I have to do anything about you're being wrong?

Whether it was floating around in the US is purely speculative.

It's not speculative, it's fact. Hiv has been found in blood samples in the US as far back as 1959

 

[Garyzenuf]

Look at you Gary. Getting feisty already. Don't tell me that the non-Christian areas have jaded you already? :o

I think I'm suffering from NyQuil withdrawl.

*

 

[CCGirl]

Spread to the western hemisphere

HIV-1 strains are thought to have arrived in the United States from Haiti in the late 1960s or early 1970s.[35] HIV-1 is believed to have arrived in Haiti from central Africa, possibly through professional contacts with the Democratic Republic of the Congo.[36]

Because of the long incubation period of HIV (up to a decade or longer) before symptoms of AIDS appear, and because of the initially low incidence, AIDS was not noticed at first. By the time the first reported cases of AIDS were found in large United States cities, the prevalence of HIV infection in some communities had passed 5%.[37] Worldwide, HIV infection has spread from urban to rural areas, and has appeared in regions such as China and India.

 

[Zaac]

I think I'm suffering from NyQuil withdrawl.

*

Man I just took some more. I can't seem to get rid of this bug. It'll knock me out soon and I'll sleep till about 3 pm tomorrow.

 

[CreedIsChrist]

Spread to the western hemisphere

HIV-1 strains are thought to have arrived in the United States from Haiti in the late 1960s or early 1970s.[35] HIV-1 is believed to have arrived in Haiti from central Africa, possibly through professional contacts with the Democratic Republic of the Congo.[36]

Because of the long incubation period of HIV (up to a decade or longer) before symptoms of AIDS appear, and because of the initially low incidence, AIDS was not noticed at first. By the time the first reported cases of AIDS were found in large United States cities, the prevalence of HIV infection in some communities had passed 5%.[37] Worldwide, HIV infection has spread from urban to rural areas, and has appeared in regions such as China and India.

All it says was that it was thought that it arrived in the United states in 1960s or 70s. It is also silent on whether the carriers were homosexuals. And either way thats when the sexual "revolution" started anyway. Its official recording however was in those 5 homosexual men. If you can't get any recorded records beforehand then again, like the above article says, it can only go on speculation.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Yeah…those true stories just reek of propaganda



Total estimated death from AIDS form 1981 to 2007 was 25 million. Of course all most all of these people were heterosexuals. Ref World Health Organization

All from violating marriage the way Jesus described it.

Have they made a movie about Charlie Sheen? He’s slept with over 5000 women.

How about a movie about Gene Simmons (lead singer of Kiss)? he has sex with over 4,500 women

There must be a movie about Julio Iglasias…he’s had sex with 3000+ women

Englebert Humperdink? also 3000+ women

Jack Nicklson has been in a lot of movies…don’t know of a movie about him. But still he’s had sex with over 2000 women

Magic Johnson? 1,000 women. And one of them gave him HIV too

There are a couple documentary movies featuring Bill Wyman (Bass guitarist of the Rolling Stones) “Shine a Light” he’s had sex with over a thousand women

Perfect comparison offered. Immoral people. I notice this with gay activism, the comparing of two wongs or forty or five-thousand. Still the kindergarten math is holding up.

Wrongs don't make rights.

No, I guess that in this new humanistic, liberal, secular, "progressive" education system maybe they do.

Umm, do you think these "striaght" men racked up these numbers on just one weekend on a cruise ship or during one cruising faze of bar hopping?

Now, let's see how gay cultute and behavior compares shall we?

Where are those photos of the Folsom Street Fair again? Darn, eliminated by complaints from The Left.

No wonder why.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

Now, let's see how gay cultute and behavior compares shall we?

Where are those photos of the Folsom Street Fair again? Darn, eliminated by complaints from The Left.

No wonder why.

If you insist on making Folsom Street Fair representative of the gay community, then one MUST assume that Fred Phelps and Ted Haggard are representative of you.

Oh, wait a minute....
:o

 

[BigBadWlf]

Circumcision, genital sores, ulcers,etc,.

Non sequitur

Black people are infected disproportionately because a lot of Black men are on the downlow and the women they are sleeping with don't know until they turn up negative.

I would ask for evidence for this claim but you have already demonstrated you are unable to back up your nonsense.

Still passed on by someone who has engaged in gay sex. The disease is still predominantly being spread in the United States by folks who have engaged in gay sex.

Except for all those times when it is not


No answer y question: does the fact that blacks are disproportionably affected by HIV AIDS (98% of all known HIV//AIDS cases are in non-whites) justify racism?

Discounting them by you ain't evidence against either.

Make believe scenarios in your head are not evidence

Man gone somewhere with that foolishness. Yall think anybody that doesn't approve of your sinfull behavior is hateful or prejudiced.

Is the existence of a disease justification for hatred, prejudice and discrimination? Yes or no?

 

[BigBadWlf]

.


I don't believe in abortion as a birth control method. And I don't believe in ignoring AIDS caused by promiscuity and a culture of indiscrimate sex with dozens and hundreds of sex partners as a civil rights issue.

I wonder if Jesus finds this an example of spreading the Good News?

He included it with defining marriage as a man and a woman and not being sexually promiscuous with other people.



To bring God's people that support, encourage and celebrate the violations of the Gospel truth (and Truth) to repentance.

Amen.




-----It's truly a shame that so many people that say that they are Christians actually support and encourage so much behavior that clearly isn't.


--\-------Certainly, defying Jesus on marriage is a sin.

And what about the millions of heterosexuals who have died from HIV/AIDS?
What about the millions of heterosexuals who are infected with HIV?
What about the millions of AIDS orphans?

 

[BigBadWlf]

1981–2: From GRID to AIDS
The AIDS epidemic officially began on June 5, 1981, when the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in its Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report newsletter reported unusual clusters of Pneumocystis pneumonia (PCP) caused by a form of Pneumocystis carinii (now recognized as a distinct species Pneumocystis jirovecii) in five homosexual men in Los Angeles.[38]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_AIDS#History_of_known_cases_and_spread

How is this evidence for your claim that “HIV was brought to the United States by 4 homosexual men”?


As previously noted HIV/AIDS disproportionately affects blacks and to a lesser extent Asians. 98% of all known cases of HIV/AIDS are among non=whites…does this fact make racism acceptable?

 

[BigBadWlf]

I agree, and we should leave the definition to marriage to the judgement of God also. Which he boldly proclaims in his word.

Surely people aren't so arrogant enough to try to change what God has defined marriage as and take it into their own hands..

This same line was used to defend laws banning interracial marriage.

 

[BigBadWlf]

Opinion of the origin and no evidence? this is the official recording of it when it came in the US.
On technical grounds it was officially recorded by 5 gay men in L.A. and theres nothing you can really do about it. Whether it was floating around in the US is purely speculative.

I realize you hate facts and truth…

Cases of HIV have been shown to have existed in the United States in the 1960’s

One of the earliest confirmed cases in the United States involved a 15 year old boy form Missouri. He died in 1968. preserved tissue samples showed he was HIV positive. Some groups have tired to claim he was homosexual thus preserving the myth that AIDS is a gay disease however his mother was a prostitute and died from opportunistic infections characteristic of AIDS indicating that she was the one who infected him. The strain of HIV preserved in his tissue samples shows an early variant of HIV (HIV-1 group M subtype B)

More recently the genetic sequence of all 117 strains of HIV has allowed researchers to create a family tree of the virus. This evidence shows that a single carrier from west Africa brought HIV to the United States via Haiti in the late 50’s or early 60’s. Historical records show HIV spreading in Haiti by 1966. Since early transmission in Africa is related to prostitution it is not unreasonable to assume that this carrier employed prostitutes in Haiti and then later in the United States, possibly with the above mentioned boy’s mother.

Ref:
Woreobey, M. & E.C. Holmes Evolutionary aspects of recombination in RNA viruses. J of General Virology

F. Damond et al Indication of Highly Divergent HIV type 2. J of AIDS research

P.R. Walker et al. Sexual Transmission of HIV in Africa. Nature

Woreobey, M et al Direct evidence of extenstive diversty of HIV-1 in Kinshasa by 1960 Nature

M.T.P. Gilbert and A. Rambaut. The emergence of HIV’AIDS in the Americas J of the national academy of sciences

P. Lemey, O.G. Pybus, A. Rambaut, A.J. Drummone. The molecular population genetics of HIV-1. Genetics V167, 2008

 

[BigBadWlf]

Perfect comparison offered. Immoral people. I notice this with gay activism, the comparing of two wongs or forty or five-thousand. Still the kindergarten math is holding up.

Wrongs don't make rights.

No, I guess that in this new humanistic, liberal, secular, "progressive" education system maybe they do.

Umm, do you think these "striaght" men racked up these numbers on just one weekend on a cruise ship or during one cruising faze of bar hopping?

Now, let's see how gay cultute and behavior compares shall we?

Where are those photos of the Folsom Street Fair again? Darn, eliminated by complaints from The Left.

No wonder why.

What about the wrongs of false witness made about gays and lesbians?

An earlier post linked to a well known fraud and his essay making the false claim that gays are promiscuous. The facts were presented and the lies exposed yet you are here still trying to propagate this false witness

 

[Zaac]

Non sequitur

Take that up with the science that you liberals love so much.

I would ask for evidence for this claim but you have already demonstrated you are unable to back up your nonsense.

Ain't no need for me to back up anything for someone who is gonna ignore the truth. If you want it backed up, open another window and Google it.

Except for all those times when it is not

You're a big bad wolf. So as a wolf of some standing, I would expect you to recognize that PREDOMINANTLY does not mean ALL OF THE TIME.

No answer y question: does the fact that blacks are disproportionably affected by HIV AIDS (98% of all known HIV//AIDS cases are in non-whites) justify racism?

Do you even know what racism is? Why don't you give us your definition? Not Websters. Not Dictionary.com. Tell us what YOUR definition of racism is.

Make believe scenarios in your head are not evidence

Guess that means your objections to my make believe evidence don't count as counter evidence.

Is the existence of a disease justification for hatred, prejudice and discrimination? Yes or no?

More liberal role playing. If somebody doesn't agree with yall, you have to claim victim status. The pity pole doesn't stick in the red clay of Georgia. we just knock it over.

Come talk to me when you've got a genuine complaint about hatred, prejudice and discrimination instead of whining because somebody doesn't accept your sin.

 

[CreedIsChrist]

How is this evidence for your claim that “HIV was brought to the United States by 4 homosexual men”

Because it says that it officially began in 5 homosexual men in Los Angeles?

This same line was used to defend laws banning interracial marriage.

Are you a bot? In nearly all of your posts you seem the post the same things over and over again. Im starting to wonder...

 

[Polycarp_fan]

.


I don't believe in abortion as a birth control method. And I don't believe in ignoring AIDS caused by promiscuity and a culture of indiscrimate sex with dozens and hundreds of sex partners as a civil rights issue.

I wonder if Jesus finds this an example of spreading the Good News?

In what way did I violate scripture? Jesus referred to people that won't repent as tax colectors and pagans. And His views on teaching children to sin is very close to hate crime speech.

Jesus is not the hippy-wimp you paint Him as.

And what about the millions of heterosexuals who have died from HIV/AIDS?

Utterly tragic. More proof that original sin is a fact. If I had HIV or AIDS, the last thing I would do is have sex with my wife OR anyone else.

What about the millions of heterosexuals who are infected with HIV?

Trace it back to its cause.

What about the millions of AIDS orphans?

The ones my Christian brothers and sisters are caring for right now? Trust me, they are overwhelmed.

You do realize that if Gospel reality were implemented like you guys push condoms, AIDS would disappear from earth?

 

[tcampen]

I don't believe in abortion as a birth control method.

When would God ever allow it?

Utterly tragic. More proof that original sin is a fact. If I had HIV or AIDS, the last thing I would do is have sex with my wife OR anyone else.

How is original sin implicated here? And are you referring to orginal sin as a metaphoric concept, or of a literal Adam and Even as the first specially created human in the Garden of Eden?

Trace it (HIV) back to its cause.

Coming in contact with infected chimp meat? I don't get it.

 

[BigBadWlf]

Take that up with the science that you liberals love so much.

I’m guessing you don’t know what non sequitur means

Ain't no need for me to back up anything for someone who is gonna ignore the truth. If you want it backed up, open another window and Google it.

Which is convenient for you but some of us are interested in facts not fantasy

You're a big bad wolf. So as a wolf of some standing, I would expect you to recognize that PREDOMINANTLY does not mean ALL OF THE TIME.

And considering that HIV is PREDOMINATELY transmitted through heterosexual sex and that individuals with HIV/AIDS are PREDOMINATELY it would seem your claim that HIV is “passed on by someone who has engaged in gay sex” is predominately false.

Do you even know what racism is? Why don't you give us your definition? Not Websters. Not Dictionary.com. Tell us what YOUR definition of racism is.

Please answer the question: does the fact that blacks are disproportionably affected by HIV AIDS (98% of all known HIV//AIDS cases are in non-whites) justify racism?

Guess that means your objections to my make believe evidence don't count as counter evidence.

At least you admit you are engaging in make beleive

More liberal role playing. If somebody doesn't agree with yall, you have to claim victim status. The pity pole doesn't stick in the red clay of Georgia. we just knock it over.

Who is playing the victim here?


Please answer the question: does the fact that blacks are disproportionably affected by HIV AIDS (98% of all known HIV//AIDS cases are in non-whites) justify racism? Yes or No?

Come talk to me when you've got a genuine complaint about hatred, prejudice and discrimination instead of whining because somebody doesn't accept your sin.

I am opposed to kidnapping and murdering random black men….do you think that makes me black?

 

[BigBadWlf]

Because it says that it officially began in 5 homosexual men in Los Angeles?

No it says that a specific set of symptoms was first described and reported to the CDC…nothing to do with the origin of the virus or how it came to the United States

As noted the virus existed in the United States for nearly 20 years prior to this

Are you a bot? In nearly all of your posts you seem the post the same things over and over again. Im starting to wonder...

And the arguments presented as justification for discrimination against gays and lesbians are the same arguments used to justify racism…they get used over and over