Absurdities of so called science

[Nathan Poe]

So let's look at this. You think that taking God out of all things is the essence of reason. OK. Too bad there is no reason to do that. Work on that.

What was the reason to put God in all of these things in the first place?

Sorry if you are so delusional now, that you actually believe man is but an insignificant beast, and relative of the flatworm, and cockroach!

Sorry if you need to invent a God to make yourself feel less insignificant. (btw, it's not working.)

If you remembered any of the faith of our fathers you backslid from, by your own admission, you might clue in, as to where that notion comes from. ...The enemy of man.

The only enemy of man I see around here, dad, is you. You would cast aside everythign we have that set us aside from the flatworm and the cockroach -- the power of Reason -- and enslave us all to a figment of those fathers' imagination.

I can tell you we are important, and extremely so!

We may very well be, dad -- you personally, however, are every bit as insignificant as you were before.

The beasts that exist here, and plants, and galaxies we see are created FOR us. WE are the reason for it all. They exist for our pleasure, and use, and benefit, and for no other reason.

As does the God, dad -- He exists for your benefit, and for no other reason.

Why else would our fathers have concocted Him and his ilk except to assuage their own perceived insignificance -- the same insignificance you repress every day?

We are anything BUT a meaningless speck.

Speak for -- well, everyone but yourself, actually.

Yet your knowledge spawns all stars from a meaningless speck!!

Pretty cool, huh?

Don't EVER, ever, ever begin to think you can hold a candle to us. WE will rule.

Passive-aggressive wish-fulfillment doesn't make you any less insignificant, dad -- you do not have, nor will you ever, have the power or the authority to tell anyone else what or how to think.

Accept your own insignificance.

Those that tried to deny God to the children will rot in hell, or, if saved, and fallen, taste hell..

Sorry, dad -- not going to happen, no matter how warm and fuzzy the delusion makes you feel.

 

[Danyc]

And out comes Dad's true nature. Agitate him, and he starts rambling about how the Christians will RULE WITH IRON FISTS

AND WE WILL ALL ROT IN HELL

 

[BananaSlug]

So let's look at this. You think that taking God out of all things is the essence of reason. OK. Too bad there is no reason to do that. Work on that.

Sorry if you are so delusional now, that you actually believe man is but an insignificant beast, and relative of the flatworm, and cockroach!

Actually genetic analysis shows we are related not only to cockroaches and flatworms but every living thing. We are family. Tell me, are humans animals?

If you remembered any of the faith of our fathers you backslid from, by your own admission, you might clue in, as to where that notion comes from. ...The enemy of man.

The only enemy of man is ignorance.

I can tell you we are important, and extremely so!

I agree with you here. Every person is important. Buddhists, Christians, Muslims, Pagans, Atheists, etc are all important. I believe that nobody should be discriminated by the color of their skin, religion or anything. That is why we took Christian prayer out of schools and provided a moment of silence. That way each individual can pray or not pray how they see fit.

The beasts that exist here, and plants, and galaxies we see are created FOR us. WE are the reason for it all. They exist for our pleasure, and use, and benefit, and for no other reason.

This doesn't make sense. If everything was created for our enjoyment by God then why isn't marijuana legal?

We are anything BUT a meaningless speck. Yet your knowledge spawns all stars from a meaningless speck!!

Your life has all the meaning you give it regardless of the origin of the universe.

Don't EVER, ever, ever begin to think you can hold a candle to us. WE will rule. Those that tried to deny God to the children will rot in hell, or, if saved, and fallen, taste hell..

So far science has done a lot more to help people than religion. Religion is important for spiritual/psychological matters and has been an important survival tool and a way to explain the world to early humans. Religion has not found cures for diseases, built cars or airplanes, or anything else.

Fundamentalists refuse to let God out of the box they've created for him, their idolatry of the Bible has turned them into modern day Pharisees. Picking and choosing what verses they want to follow and what verses they want to take literally they take all means necessary to keep a grasp on their interpretations. From statements about a "different state" past based on a single verse to wild hypotheses on where the flood waters went they have no scrupples on contorting truth to make their story work.

Religious Fundamentalism is a poison that clouds the mind, blinds the eyes, and pollutes the soul.

 

[Gracchus]

WE will rule.

I thought God would rule. But, then of course, he had better do what "WE" say.

That is the gist of religion. It is an attempt to control the chaotic and sometimes hostile universe by groveling to the Big Mojo.

When I was a boy, at the end of summer, when church was as hot as the hot place, the priest would keep us after mass to say a rosary, a prayer for rain. Presumably, God knew what we needed, and God knew what we wanted, and God could have sent rain whenever he saw fit. But we had to grovel and suffer for it to hurry him along. The rain always came, eventually, and it rained on those who didn't pray just as much as on those who did.

 

[NailsII]

And there are facts and morals in modern experience, and science. But that is no reason to launch into godless insanity, and pretend to speak of things far far beyond the limited scope, experience, and knowledge of the present men on earth. It is the least I could do to expose your absolute inability to put the proof on the table. Seems like every time you big talking so called science devotees have your feet held to the fire, you choke.

Science works better without god.
So until you can offer some facts or evidence, you'll just have to keep ranting.

 

[Nathan Poe]

And out comes Dad's true nature. Agitate him, and he starts rambling about how the Christians will RULE WITH IRON FISTS

AND WE WILL ALL ROT IN HELL

Did you ever meet a fundie who didn't have this as their true nature? Fundamentalism is all about making the impotent feel important.

 

[Nathan Poe]

I thought God would rule. But, then of course, he had better do what "WE" say.

That is the gist of religion. It is an attempt to control the chaotic and sometimes hostile universe by groveling to the Big Mojo.

Except in the end, the Big Mojo has to grovel to them. Fundies tend to keep their God on a short leash -- they call it the Bible.

 

[Split Rock]

Don't EVER, ever, ever begin to think you can hold a candle to us. WE will rule. Those that tried to deny God to the children will rot in hell, or, if saved, and fallen, taste hell..

I just thought I would also emphasize this jewel from dad. The final creationist argument is always THE BIG STICK. And I thought that the Bible said that THE MEEK would inherit the Earth... I guess not.

 

[dad]

Indeed our government is by necessity pluralistic, but need I remind you:



But perhaps you missed the whole discussion of Sweden with a huge number of non-believers or agnostics and their lack of capital punishment which speaks directly to your point about morality induced by "firing squads" to keep the godless in line.

Again, your correlation breaks down.

No, I simply pointed out that in prison, there is very little capitol punishment. Things are too well controlled, generally. Nothing to do with the beliefs or lack therof of the inmates!! Gotcha!

What??? Sweden is a constitutional monarchy based on a parliamentary democracy.

I honestly don't understand what you are saying here. Are you saying Sweden is like a prison?

Yes, that is my impression, at least from those from there I met. Anyhow, wasn't your point having to do with godless nations being better than religious ones?

I would hardly call any of the nordic countries "prisons". In my travels to Norway, Iceland and Finland I'd have to say if any place up there is a "prison" I'd jump on the first paddy wagon taking me there. I will confess to never having been to Sweden, though. What was your experience when travelling there, Dad?

I shopped at Ikea! Actually, I did talk to someone from there not long ago, and got a few details of what goes on. I think the analogy of a prison is adequete. Of course they are not in a literal prison. Reminds me a bit of Canada. They aren't allowed to carry guns there, taxes are too high.


Don't get me wrong, I get along fine with the enslaved.

 

[dad]

Actually genetic analysis shows we are related not only to cockroaches and flatworms but every living thing. We are family. Tell me, are humans animals?

BS!!! Prove it. That is balderdash religion. Nothing shows we are related in any way but building materials.

I agree with you here. Every person is important. Buddhists, Christians, Muslims, Pagans, Atheists, etc are all important. I believe that nobody should be discriminated by the color of their skin, religion or anything. That is why we took Christian prayer out of schools and provided a moment of silence. That way each individual can pray or not pray how they see fit.

How important is the cousin of a cockroach? How important is some meaningless planet speck, infested with beastly parasites, murdering each other? How important are we, if the stars, and the animals and etc were all just fellow flukes, rather than things created for us?

This doesn't make sense. If everything was created for our enjoyment by God then why isn't marijuana legal?

Because legality in this wicked world, for one thing, is not the measure of what is right! It is the measure of what endless silly wicked laws, wicked men create! I also would ask if that weed was there at creation, of was something that evolved from some weed after the curse? It is natural, in the sense of being part of the present temporary nature. But so is death! Besides, doesn't that destroy the memory, or is that just some rumor? Can't remember, sorry.

Your life has all the meaning you give it regardless of the origin of the universe.

Beasts in a meaningless fluke festival can never have real meaning. Created intelligences, in a created universe, that has a purpose, and direction, and Overseer can have plenty of meaning.

So far science has done a lot more to help people than religion. Religion is important for spiritual/psychological matters and has been an important survival tool and a way to explain the world to early humans. Religion has not found cures for diseases, built cars or airplanes, or anything else.

Look, science has meant that more cancers, and diseases of all sorts exist as well as curing a few. Science, and WOMD would kill us all, actually, if they were allowed. Phooey on science. Even real science, when it comes to saving mankind!

Fundamentalists refuse to let God out of the box they've created for him, their idolatry of the Bible has turned them into modern day Pharisees.

Nonsense, it seems the big crime in your books is actually believing!

Picking and choosing what verses they want to follow and what verses they want to take literally they take all means necessary to keep a grasp on their interpretations. From statements about a "different state" past based on a single verse to wild hypotheses on where the flood waters went they have no scrupples on contorting truth to make their story work.

False. The different past of the bible AND future is a theme! It makes no sense in a present state.

 

[dad]

What was the reason to put God in all of these things in the first place?

He put Himself there, and He will keep Himself here.

The only enemy of man I see around here, dad, is you. You would cast aside everythign we have that set us aside from the flatworm and the cockroach -- the power of Reason -- and enslave us all to a figment of those fathers' imagination.

You are the ones that try to set us in the same family as those things. Does the power of reason level Gaza, and kill babies? Does it lob missiles on Israel? Does it destroy cities with nukes, like Hiroshima? Does it arrest those with more than one wife, while promoting those with unlimited homosexual partners? Your idea of freedom, like abortion, seems to be freedom FROM LIFE, freedom from truth. Freedom from light.

We may very well be, dad -- you personally, however, are every bit as insignificant as you were before.

All that is insignificant is your prophesy here.

Accept your own insignificance.

baby steps here, I have accepted yours, that is a far as I can agree on that issue.

 

[dad]

And out comes Dad's true nature. Agitate him, and he starts rambling about how the Christians will RULE WITH IRON FISTS

AND WE WILL ALL ROT IN HELL

Nonsense, we will not all rot in hell. Try to look at the context. Neither will we all have a millstone on our neck, walk out into the sea, and drown, if we offend the little ones, and the faith of the little ones. We would only be better off if we had.

 

[dad]

I thought God would rule. But, then of course, he had better do what "WE" say.

Read it again, He will rule with someone. His peoople are part of the we, and so is God. We will rule.

That is the gist of religion. It is an attempt to control the chaotic and sometimes hostile universe by groveling to the Big Mojo.

Who do you grovel to? No man is an island, or a God. Men serve the devil, or God, and they do it a number of ways. but they serve someone, like it or admit it or not. Calling names to the gods of others, like mojosmojo is childish.

When I was a boy, at the end of summer, when church was as hot as the hot place, the priest would keep us after mass to say a rosary, a prayer for rain. Presumably, God knew what we needed, and God knew what we wanted, and God could have sent rain whenever he saw fit. But we had to grovel and suffer for it to hurry him along. The rain always came, eventually, and it rained on those who didn't pray just as much as on those who did.

Forced payer is no prayer at all, any more than rape is good sex. So?

 

[dad]

I thought God would rule. But, then of course, he had better do what "WE" say.

Read it again, He will rule with someone. His peoople are part of the we, and so is God. We will rule.

That is the gist of religion. It is an attempt to control the chaotic and sometimes hostile universe by groveling to the Big Mojo.

Who do you grovel to? No man is an island, or a God. Men serve the devil, or God, and they do it a number of ways. but they serve someone, like it or admit it or not. Calling names to the gods of others, like mojosmojo is childish.

When I was a boy, at the end of summer, when church was as hot as the hot place, the priest would keep us after mass to say a rosary, a prayer for rain. Presumably, God knew what we needed, and God knew what we wanted, and God could have sent rain whenever he saw fit. But we had to grovel and suffer for it to hurry him along. The rain always came, eventually, and it rained on those who didn't pray just as much as on those who did.

Forced prayer is no prayer at all, any more than rape is good sex. I rejected church young as well. Still have no use for it.

 

[dad]

Science works better without god.
So until you can offer some facts or evidence, you'll just have to keep ranting.

Temporary state physical only science only works outside of the spiritual. Not better or worse, any more than Buzz Lightyear flies better or worse in distant galaxies! really.

 

[Gracchus]

Read it again, He will rule with someone. His peoople are part of the we, and so is God. We will rule.

God cannot share power and remain omnipotent.

Who do you grovel to?

I don't.

No man is an island, or a God.

Agreed. The universe is one process. Separateness is an illusion.

Men serve the devil, or God, and they do it a number of ways. but they serve someone, like it or admit it or not.

To serve the devil is to serve yourself. If God is omnipotent, he doesn't need servants. To say you serve God is self-serving.

Some serve an ideal not someone. e.g. Truth, beauty, art, etc.

Calling names to the gods of others, like mojosmojo is childish.

No, it isn't. And if it were, so what? "Of such is the kingdom of heaven."

Forced payer is no prayer at all, any more than rape is good sex. So?

You miss the point. (Surprise? Not!) The point is that an omniscient omnipotent God is going to do whatever he wills and isn't going to change his mind because of flattery or groveling.

Whether prayer is forced or willing, it is impotent. You want to pray? Go to your room and shut the door.

You have given your game away, dad. You would rule with God, as his equal. More. You said you would kick his keister if he told you the Bible was not inerrant. (Remember? If you don't, I can look it up.) You want to control others. You postulate that you can control God by prayer. You won't let god do his will without protest.

 

[BananaSlug]

He put Himself there, and He will keep Himself here.

You are the ones that try to set us in the same family as those things. Does the power of reason level Gaza, and kill babies? Does it lob missiles on Israel?

No the power of reason created the weapons, but the power of religious fervor causes them to be used in Israel and Gaza.

Does it destroy cities with nukes, like Hiroshima?

Truman had given the Japanese plenty of time to surrender. The death of 90,000-140,000 people from a nuclear blast compared to the death toll for those killed in the name of Christianity.

Does it arrest those with more than one wife,

No, the religious right does. I do not care if a man wants multiple wives or if a woman wants multiple husbands. As long as they can care for each other it doesn't matter to me.

while promoting those with unlimited homosexual partners?

What are "unlimited" homosexual partners?

Your idea of freedom, like abortion, seems to be freedom FROM LIFE, freedom from truth. Freedom from light.

Your idea of freedom seems to be freedom from thought, freedom from reason, freedom from rationality. Anybody who believes different from you is worthless in your eyes.

All that is insignificant is your prophesy here.

baby steps here, I have accepted yours, that is a far as I can agree on that issue.

 

[Hespera]

QUOTE "dad" " His peoople (sic0 are part of the we, and so is God. We will rule."


I've noticed that a couple of the hard core religionists like to say "we". "Me (us) and God" would be the meaning here. We the good we the winners we who are the righteous. I guess it feels good to them.

 

[tanzanos]

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OHH GODD PLEEEAAASSSEEEE

I am doing a study on the effects of LSD! It doesn't get any better than this!

 

[AV1611VET]

I am doing a study on the effects of LSD! It doesn't get any better than this!

Well --- seeing as how scientists created LSD --- what's there to see?