Will Israel make the same mistake with Hamas that it made with Hezbollah?

[FrenchAffair]

When George Bush, the US president, first entered the White House as the commander-in-chief in 2001, Palestinians were being killed in the al-Aqsa intifada.
Eight years later, as Bush prepares to leave office, Israel is carrying out one of the largest massacres in its 60-year occupation of Palestine.
The US, then and now, strongly backs Israel's offensive, justifying it as being, in fact, defensive.
An Israeli general recently threatened to use military force to set Gaza back decades in much the same language used before the invasion of Lebanon in 2006.

But despite the Israeli devastation of Lebanon, Hezbollah emerged victorious and the Shia resistance and social movement emerged a hero to the Arab world.
Israel is about to make the same mistake with Hamas.

Its notion of a truce with Hamas was that the Palestinians would quietly accept the siege. Israel would deny them the basic means of survival, let alone the basic means to create a functioning society.

If the Palestinians attempted to resist, they would be crushed.

As in Lebanon, Israel should have learned years ago that military might cannot crush Palestinian resistance movements.

http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/2008/12/20081230122143645275.html

There can be no victory for Israel as tyranny is never the victor. No matter what the case and no matter how long, justice and freedom have always triumphed. It took the natives of South Africa 100+ years to defeat their colonial oppressors, a timeline shared by the rest of the world caught under colonial tyranny as Palestine is now.

 

[MichaelFJF]

"aljazeer" is not a source. And the only mistake Israel made with Hezbolah was not finishing them off. Let's nope they don't amke the same mistake with Hamas.

 

[MsAnne]

There can be no victory for Israel as tyranny is never the victor. ....caught under colonial tyranny as Palestine is now.

Israel is carrying out one of the largest massacres in its 60-year occupation of Palestine.

And this, in a nutshell, shows the ongoing conflict. How 2 groups of people can see the same situation from completely opposite viewpoints. I'm sorry my friend, but I could not disagree with your, or the newstory's assessment more.
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[FrenchAffair]

And this, in a nutshell, shows the ongoing conflict. How 2 groups of people can see the same situation from completely opposite viewpoints. I'm sorry my friend, but I could not disagree with your, or the newstory's assessment more.
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I would be surprised if you did, American Protestant groups have just as much blood on their hands as the Israelis who murder Palestinian children do. I do not know where the obsession with Zionism that American evangelicals have and how it has had so much influence on American foreign policy... but they are the enablers of this occupation, oppression and slaughter of the Palestinian people. I rest assured in the fundemental biblical canon that all will be judged for all their acts, i wonder what the excuse zionists will have when Christ asks them why they supported the brutalization of his people.

 

[FrenchAffair]

"aljazeer" is not a source. And the only mistake Israel made with Hezbolah was not finishing them off. Let's nope they don't amke the same mistake with Hamas.

How do we go from Israel losing their war against Hezbollah to them "finishing them off"?

 

[MsAnne]

I would be surprised if you did, American Protestant groups have just as much blood on their hands as the Israelis who murder Palestinian children do. I do not know where the obsession with Zionism that American evangelicals have and how it has had so much influence on American foreign policy... but they are the enablers of this occupation, oppression and slaughter of the Palestinian people. I rest assured in the fundemental biblical canon that all will be judged for all their acts, i wonder what the excuse zionists will have when Christ asks them why they supported the brutalization of his people.

Wow. Though I appreciate your conviction and passion - (Seriously, I do. I respect a firm conviction more than complacency.) - I am saddened that this is how you see the world. You are a perfect example of why the conflict exists, and even escalates.
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[Secundulus]

I would be surprised if you did, American Protestant groups have just as much blood on their hands as the Israelis who murder Palestinian children do. I do not know where the obsession with Zionism that American evangelicals have and how it has had so much influence on American foreign policy... but they are the enablers of this occupation, oppression and slaughter of the Palestinian people. I rest assured in the fundemental biblical canon that all will be judged for all their acts, i wonder what the excuse zionists will have when Christ asks them why they supported the brutalization of his people.

What will you say when he asks why you cooperated in putting Christians under Muslim Dhimmitude? Do you respect Islam as a superior religion?

 

[FrenchAffair]

Wow. Though I appreciate your conviction and passion - (Seriously, I do. I respect a firm conviction more than complacency.) - I am saddened that this is how you see the world. You are a perfect example of why the conflict exists, and even escalates.
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There is a reason why the American flag is burning right next to the Israeli flag every time it flashes accrost your TV screen fyi.... and it is not with out cause.

Palestinians.... especially Palestinian Christians feel abandoned by their once brothers & sisters in America who have chosen to admittedly and with out limits support the tyranny of Zionism over their Christian brothers & sisters in the holy land who have suffered untold atrocities due to American support of zionism and all the evils entailed in it.

 

[FrenchAffair]

What will you say when he asks why you cooperated in putting Christians under Muslim Dhimmitude? Do you respect Islam as a superior religion?

In 23 years as a Christian in the M.E the only oppression I've suffered has been by Jews under the Israeli flag supported by American Protestants.

 

[S53]

Hezbollah = Terrorism

HAMAS = Terrorism

Simple as that.

 

[FrenchAffair]

Hezbollah = Terrorism

HAMAS = Terrorism

Simple as that.

Define terrorism.

 

[fated]

http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/2008/12/20081230122143645275.html

There can be no victory for Israel as tyranny is never the victor. No matter what the case and no matter how long, justice and freedom have always triumphed. It took the natives of South Africa 100+ years to defeat their colonial oppressors, a timeline shared by the rest of the world caught under colonial tyranny as Palestine is now.

I think the typical world view of this conflict is that at one time, the world rejects the indiscriminate violence of Hamas, while, being skeptical of Israels motivations. In this way, the portion you quoted here of the situation has some truth to it.

It interesting that in Lebanon, Hezbollah become powerful enough politically, that it seems to have lost its will to attack bring Israel back in again. That border is quiet.

I am surprised... or not so surprised... that I have been unable to stop you from endorsing the indiscriminant killing that precipitated... immediately... this event. (the other foundational issues are rather complex)

 

[fated]

Define terrorism.

Indiscriminant killing. An intent to maim or kill at random. An intent to cause fear and lawlessness in general by killing anyone, especially by killing at random from the civilian population. Lawless militancy with no respect for the basic rights of others. Satan worship; Material worship of the Lawless One.

Need I go on?

 

[MichaelFJF]

There is a reason why the American flag is burning right next to the Israeli flag every time it flashes accrost your TV screen fyi.... and it is not with out cause. .

Reason? Because morons have lighters?

 

[Avatar]

In 23 years as a Christian in the M.E the only oppression I've suffered has been by Jews under the Israeli flag supported by American Protestants.

Ah, the bad American Protestants.

Well this Canadian Catholic also supports Israel. Imagine that.

 

[Secundulus]

http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/2008/12/20081230122143645275.html

There can be no victory for Israel as tyranny is never the victor.

In view of this statement, how do you explain Islam ruling over your home for the past 1400 years?????

 

[Avatar]

Define terrorism.

Intentionally targetting civilians.

And I'm not talking about the unintentional civilian casualties that occur when Hamas hides behind them. That's on Hamas.

 

[Avatar]

Reason? Because morons have lighters?

snap

As the young folk say

 

[Secundulus]

Terrorism is like flying civilian airliners into buildings full of office workers. You might remember. The poor Palestinians handed out candy and danced in the streets when that happened. I remember them. I will never forget.

Your buddies made their bed with dogs. Let them now sleep with fleas.

 

[MsAnne]

Ah, the bad American Protestants.
Well this Canadian Catholic also supports Israel. Imagine that.

Intentionally targetting civilians.
And I'm not talking about the unintentional civilian casualties that occur when Hamas hides behind them. That's on Hamas.

I know I've said it before, but seriously, I think you are my very favorite poster.