Should Christians interact with Gays at all?

[quatona]

Should Christians interact with Gays at all?

I´m wondering what you´d do with all that time on your hand that you would have if you would leave them alone.

 

[cwolf20]

this makes me wonder if I'm wrong for laughing for a full minute at that.

Because through all that at the back of your mind you're plotting the downfall of Western civilisation so you can force everyone to be like you. Not to mention constantly thinking about sex and other people having sex, you pervert!

...oh wait, that was PC_F's week.

you forgot Gay Christians. gotta be all-inclusive heh. I'm straight, but an R.A. at one of my dorms was both Gay and Christian

Polycarp_fanAdept at deep thought I see. Well done. It was a two-way situation that I had in mind in this horrible situation between Gays and Christians,

 

[Andreusz]

Seeing what is happening to our children in the public schools is going to make any decent parent angry.

Polly, you mentioned somewhere that you send your children to a private school, where, I assume, GLBT clubs are not allowed. But I am fascinated to know, what happens in the classroom? Are the teachers allowed to mention that homosexuality exits? If not, how does the English teacher teach Shakespeare's first hundred + sonnets, or the poetry of Whitman? How does the history teacher teach Richard I, Edward II and James I (the one the translation of the Bible is dedicated to)? How does the French teacher teach Rimbaud, Verlaine and Proust? How does the classics teacher teach Plato or Virgil's Eclogues? When the computer science teacher teaches the history of his subject, what does he say about Turing? Or are all these unpleasant facts simply ignored?
I'd really appreciate it if you could answer these questions.

 

[SiyoNqoba]

I wonder why those of you who won't interact with gay people, or those of you who make it their mission to harrass them, think you're above Jesus, who not only hung out with sinners, but died for them.

I also wonder what makes their sin somehow more potent then your sin. I see nothing of that in the Bible. Is it the fact that they're living a lifestyle of sin? Do you have any non-Christian friends or family? Because they are too. Are you going to stop interacting with your loved ones simply because their sins aren't forgiven? It would certainly be consistant with your values.

Lastly, I wonder when God gave you the job of judging. Because last time I checked, only God could judge.

 

[Pliny the Elder]

I wonder why those of you who won't interact with gay people, or those of you who make it their mission to harrass them, think you're above Jesus, who not only hung out with sinners, but died for them.

I also wonder what makes their sin somehow more potent then your sin. I see nothing of that in the Bible. Is it the fact that they're living a lifestyle of sin? Do you have any non-Christian friends or family? Because they are too. Are you going to stop interacting with your loved ones simply because their sins aren't forgiven? It would certainly be consistant with your values.

Lastly, I wonder when God gave you the job of judging. Because last time I checked, only God could judge.

It is simply the ick factor to them and since gay sex is just plain icky in their minds it is a greater sin.

 

[Mling]

It would be the parts that are missing in your report.

Working at a High School? Of course.

How cliche.

I'll admit I left out going to the bathroom and personal conversations with friends. I suppose if we're going to get *really* personal, I also left out masturbation. What else are you looking for?

 

[Pliny the Elder]

I'll admit I left out going to the bathroom and personal conversations with friends. I suppose if we're going to get *really* personal,

I also left out masturbation.

What else are you looking for?

Hey I do that also and I am straight *gasp*.

 

[cwolf20]

*scratches head* the ick factor hasn't prevented me from enjoying conversations.

I just ask that bedroom tales stay out of the conversations. Or if they insist on having them, to give me warning so I can walk away. I also insist on this with hetrosexual singles and couples as well. so it's equal opportunity "for the love of all that's holy, don't hurt my brain!"

It is simply the ick factor to them and since gay sex is just plain icky in their minds it is a greater sin.

 

[Pliny the Elder]

*scratches head* the ick factor hasn't prevented me from enjoying conversations.

I just ask that bedroom tales stay out of the conversations. Or if they insist on having them, to give me warning so I can walk away. I also insist on this with hetrosexual singles and couples as well. so it's equal opportunity "for the love of all that's holy, don't hurt my brain!"

I also think that you are an exception to the rule because you seem to be both rational and logical whereas many of the Christians around here seem to be obsessed with the sexual aspect of homosexuality.

 

[Mling]

All that Humanist enlightenment thinking and it all breaks down to petty insult. Thanks for proving my point about the homogenized left.

It's easy to see why our youth culture is strung out and debauched.

ummm, dude. You work in petty insults the way "some work in oils or clay." Last time I called you on it you said you were proud of it and modeled your style after your great role model Polycarp.

Working at a High School? Of course.

How cliche.

It is. It's several cliches. It's the 'kid who always had trouble in school due to attention, and possibly learning, disabilities, and didn't get the help she needed, goes on to try to offer that help to kids in the same place, but realizes that experiencing problems doesn't necessarily make you good at helping other people figure out their own' cliche.

It's also the 'jack of all trades who can't settle down bounces among flexible jobs' cliche.

I'm not familiar with the 'lesbians are good at math' cliche, though. I've always assumed that my instinctive comfort with it was mostly due to being raised by a physicist (it's shocking how many questions about me can be partially answered with 'I was raised by a physicist,' really.)

For the record, though, I think that topics about homosexuality/transsexuality have come up exactly twice in the two and half years I've been working in various schools. The first time, I explained how 'the pregnant man' was pregnant, and the basic facts about what was going on with him. The kids had already heard about him on the news and were spreading misinformation, so I decided, if they already know *something,* knowing the truth was better than "Wow! Men can get pregnant!?"

The second time, another teacher and I were responding to a student who was saying "I can't stand gay people. They're so weird." What we ended up telling the kid was that it was fine and normal to feel uncomfortable around people who were unfamiliar to him, or around somebody he knew who revealed something new about himself (it was entirely hypothetical), and it was perfectly alright to be bothered by certain mannerisms, personality traits, or people. But that, in general, he seems like a very kind and caring person, and that pre-emptively rejecting people he didn't even know didn't seem to fit with the rest of his personality. We pointed out that gay people aren't completely monolithic, and he should consider the idea that, inevitably, somebody in the course of his life will tell him that he or she is gay, and that doesn't have to be the end of their friendship/working relationship/whatever they have.

He seemed to consider that and that was the end of the conversation.

So...in two years and half years or so, I have explained to a dozen or so teens that it is technically possible for a female bodied person to look male but still give birth, and told one that maybe he could kinda think about people as individuals.

I also taught a bunch how to find area, surface are and volume; a few how the Mayan number system worked; one what "E=mc^2" means; one that she should chat with the school counselor about the trouble she was having with her boyfriend; a whole lot that they should stop using 'retard' as an insult, and why; a few that, secretly, I don't know much trigonometry; *none* that I am gay; one that, once he gets to college, other students stop teasing you for being smart; and a whole lot that, if you put a lot of force behind something, and then let go, unpredictable things happen--at which point I pull back my hair and flash the scar on my head, then tell them to put down whatever they were throwing and take a seat. And I've been to the funeral of one.

Woah....aren't I just tearin' up the school system?

 

[KCKID]

ummm, dude. You work in petty insults the way "some work in oils or clay." Last time I called you on it you said you were proud of it and modeled your style after your great role model Polycarp.



It is. It's several cliches. It's the 'kid who always had trouble in school due to attention, and possibly learning, disabilities, and didn't get the help she needed, goes on to try to offer that help to kids in the same place, but realizes that experiencing problems doesn't necessarily make you good at helping other people figure out their own' cliche.

It's also the 'jack of all trades who can't settle down bounces among flexible jobs' cliche.

I'm not familiar with the 'lesbians are good at math' cliche, though. I've always assumed that my instinctive comfort with it was mostly due to being raised by a physicist (it's shocking how many questions about me can be partially answered with 'I was raised by a physicist,' really.)

For the record, though, I think that topics about homosexuality/transsexuality have come up exactly twice in the two and half years I've been working in various schools. The first time, I explained how 'the pregnant man' was pregnant, and the basic facts about what was going on with him. The kids had already heard about him on the news and were spreading misinformation, so I decided, if they already know *something,* knowing the truth was better than "Wow! Men can get pregnant!?"

The second time, another teacher and I were responding to a student who was saying "I can't stand gay people. They're so weird." What we ended up telling the kid was that it was fine and normal to feel uncomfortable around people who were unfamiliar to him, or around somebody he knew who revealed something new about himself (it was entirely hypothetical), and it was perfectly alright to be bothered by certain mannerisms, personality traits, or people. But that, in general, he seems like a very kind and caring person, and that pre-emptively rejecting people he didn't even know didn't seem to fit with the rest of his personality. We pointed out that gay people aren't completely monolithic, and he should consider the idea that, inevitably, somebody in the course of his life will tell him that he or she is gay, and that doesn't have to be the end of their friendship/working relationship/whatever they have.

He seemed to consider that and that was the end of the conversation.

So...in two years and half years or so, I have explained to a dozen or so teens that it is technically possible for a female bodied person to look male but still give birth, and told one that maybe he could kinda think about people as individuals.

I also taught a bunch how to find area, surface are and volume; a few how the Mayan number system worked; one what "E=mc^2" means; one that she should chat with the school counselor about the trouble she was having with her boyfriend; a whole lot that they should stop using 'retard' as an insult, and why; a few that, secretly, I don't know much trigonometry; *none* that I am gay; one that, once he gets to college, other students stop teasing you for being smart; and a whole lot that, if you put a lot of force behind something, and then let go, unpredictable things happen--at which point I pull back my hair and flash the scar on my head, then tell them to put down whatever they were throwing and take a seat. And I've been to the funeral of one.

Woah....aren't I just tearin' up the school system?

I personally don't want to hear any more. You're simply disgusting!

 

[Pliny the Elder]

I personally don't want to hear any more. You're simply disgusting!

I will second that, vile and disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[Morcova]

All that Humanist enlightenment thinking and it all breaks down to petty insult. Thanks for proving my point about the homogenized left.

It's easy to see why our youth culture is strung out and debauched.

Sorry PCF but honestly, your obsession with homosexuals is pretty funny.

 

[Morcova]

It would be the parts that are missing in your report.

Working at a High School? Of course.

How cliche.

[wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] HOW DARE PEOPLE ACTUALLY TAKE AN INTEREST IN MAKING THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE! REMEMBER THIS IS A CHRISTIAN COUNTRY AND PEOPLE WHO CAN'T TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES ARE DIRTY LIBERALS AND EVIL SINNERS!

 

[Morcova]

Wow, talk about passive aggressive. It sounds like the OP wants justification for feeling animosity. Seek and you shall find?

Anyway, the point is very simple. If you seek out enemies, you'll find them. If you look for reasons to feel angry, you'll find them.

PCF has a unhealthy obsession with homosexuality. And excuses all the hatred and vile things she spews using her religion.

 

[Robbie_James_Francis]

All that Humanist enlightenment thinking and it all breaks down to petty insult. Thanks for proving my point about the homogenized left.

It's easy to see why our youth culture is strung out and debauched.

Sorry, I wasn't aware that every word that comes out of my mouth was meant to be a comprehensive discourse on Humanism and the Enlightenment. I'm thankful that it isn't as I don't think I'd be up to the task. And your handful of nonsensical sentences can't sum up 2000 years of Christian thought, so I don't know why I'm held to a higher standard.

What point? You have no point, you never have a point. I'm starting to wonder if you even understand what a point is. The homogenised Left? What are you even on about? Or, probably more relevant, what are you on?

Oh yes, debauched. Terribly so. It's 2am and I'm preparing a presentation about the Islamic revival in Turkey and another about nationalist theory in philosophy, drinking coffee and playing Tetris. I might as well be at an orgy. Incidentally, I'd be more than happy to share my ideas on why Marx was wrong to dismiss the nation state as a sufficient explanation for the emergence of the capitalist market...homogenised Left my foot.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Sorry, I wasn't aware that every word that comes out of my mouth was meant to be a comprehensive discourse on Humanism and the Enlightenment. I'm thankful that it isn't as I don't think I'd be up to the task.

Cause and effect. It's not my fault you don't understand your own foundations of belief.

And your handful of nonsensical sentences can't sum up 2000 years of Christian thought, so I don't know why I'm held to a higher standard.

I just fast-forward to neo-Roman life 2008 style. It's easy to see the history in what the homogenized left is promoting.

What point? You have no point, you never have a point. I'm starting to wonder if you even understand what a point is. [/quite]

How fascinating that your viceral reations to my positions shows you know what I'm saying quite clearly. Evil versus good. I get a kick out of how the left hates to be called evil, when it promotes what it does.

The homogenised Left? What are you even on about? Or, probably more relevant, what are you on?

Reality.

Oh yes, debauched.

That would be debauchery. The end result of leftist ideology implemented on society. Our public schools and free clinics prove: "It is what it is."

Terribly so. It's 2am and I'm preparing a presentation about the Islamic revival in Turkey and another about nationalist theory in philosophy, drinking coffee and playing Tetris. I might as well be at an orgy.

You certainly would promote that orgies are all well and good. Just use a condom right? Isn't that leftist morality in totality when all is said and done? Literally.

Incidentally, I'd be more than happy to share my ideas on why Marx was wrong to dismiss the nation state as a sufficient explanation for the emergence of the capitalist market...homogenised Left my foot.

Capitalism breeds freedom. Freedom is not really a goal of the homogenized left. Only of course sexual freedom.

"Religion is the opiate of the people." - Karl Marx

Opium is the opiate of the people.

When the homogenized left has proven that Marx is the hero of the left for a reason.

Here's a strikingly familiar modern leftist view:

Religious distress is at the same time the expression of real distress and the protest against real distress. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. It is the opium of the people. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions.

Karl Marx, Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right

http://atheism.about.com/od/weeklyquotes/a/marx01.htm

 

[Andreusz]

*Bump*.

Polly, you mentioned somewhere that you send your children to a private school, where, I assume, GLBT clubs are not allowed. But I am fascinated to know, what happens in the classroom? Are the teachers allowed to mention that homosexuality exits? If not, how does the English teacher teach Shakespeare's first hundred + sonnets, or the poetry of Whitman? How does the history teacher teach Richard I, Edward II and James I (the one the translation of the Bible is dedicated to)? How does the French teacher teach Rimbaud, Verlaine and Proust? How does the classics teacher teach Plato or Virgil's Eclogues? When the computer science teacher teaches the history of his subject, what does he say about Turing? Or are all these unpleasant facts simply ignored?
I'd really appreciate it if you could answer these questions.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

*Bump*.

Originally Posted by Andreusz Polly, you mentioned somewhere that you send your children to a private school, where, I assume, GLBT clubs are not allowed.

Without exception. It's one of the reasons my kids are in private school. The main reason though, is that they are comprehending subjects five to six grades higher then their public school counterparts.

But what has been proven with use of the Unruh Act, GLBT's aren't respectful of that either.

But I am fascinated to know, what happens in the classroom? Are the teachers allowed to mention that homosexuality exits?

So then you're answer to the OP is YES? Mine too.

What happens in their classroom is prep for college subjects that have nothing to do with Gay/Lesbian studies. They will not be going to UC Santa Cruz or Berkeley so those lessons are unneeded. They'll know all about homosexuality in the proper moral way. Stay away from it and its practioners.

If not, how does the English teacher teach Shakespeare's first hundred + sonnets, or the poetry of Whitman?

There are literally hundreds of great writers and poets in human history. No need to highlight the gay ones. And besides, I was an actor in High School and College and never remember gay activism being part of famous writers. They were just either good or bad writers. Their private sexual tastes stayed private.

How does the history teacher teach Richard I, Edward II and James I (the one the translation of the Bible is dedicated to)?

By teaching the history of their kingdoms and countries. And please, dedicating the King James Bible to the King is a necessary act of being in a kingdom. It has nothing to do with affirming gay sex. Actually very much the opposite. Maybe yoyu GLBT's can learn tolerance for Christians that live by Christian truth from King James.

How does the French teacher teach Rimbaud, Verlaine and Proust?

By correctly pronouncing their names. See voo play. And nothing more detailed than that need be employed.

How does the classics teacher teach Plato or Virgil's Eclogues?

Great philosophers are taught as great philosophers. Their degenerate sex lives alos taught accurately. And hey, I certainly want my children taught platonic love.

When the computer science teacher teaches the history of his subject, what does he say about Turing?

Alan Turing? His work was in math science was it not? Why do we need to know what sex acts he liked to engage inj in his private time? Gay activism and propaganda is not welcomed.

Or are all these unpleasant facts simply ignored?

They are very unpleasant facts and easy to ignoire if you GLBT's would stop connecting a person's sexual depraivity to their day job.

I'd really appreciate it if you could answer these questions.

We'll see about that.

If I had cancer that needed the best surgeon in the world to operate on, and I had the money to pay for his/her services, I would not ask what kind of sex they like to engage in in their private time.

Now, who is obsessed with homosexuality again?

 

[Andreusz]

What happens in their classroom is prep for college subjects that have nothing to do with Gay/Lesbian studies. They will not be going to UC Santa Cruz or Berkeley so those lessons are unneeded.

Which university will they be attending, as a matter of interest? As far as I know, there are no good universities that do not offer a liberal education.

They'll know all about homosexuality in the proper moral way. Stay away from it and its practioners.

One of your next 20 descendants will be homosexual.

The rest of your post simply reinforces the picture you present of yourself: you hate homosexuality, but you don't understand it or know the first thing about it, because you don't want to understand it. So you will lose your battle against it.

Alan Turing? His work was in math science was it not? Why do we need to know what sex acts he liked to engage inj in his private time? Gay activism and propaganda is not welcomed.

Read a life of Turing. You might come to understand something about the Gay Rights movement.

If I had cancer that needed the best surgeon in the world to operate on, and I had the money to pay for his/her services, I would not ask what kind of sex they like to engage in in their private time.

You people are fond of quoting the fact that a photographer was forced to photograph a gay wedding, aginst his conscience. If you support the right of that photographer to refuse to do that, then no doubt you support the right of the gay surgeon to refuse to treat you.