Should Christians interact with Gays at all?

[Polycarp_fan]

Polycarp Fan: What do you mean "detestable practices"?

Max

Abominations.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

I have no issue with the religious right not interacting with gays.

There are large Gay activist groups that are harrassing Christians everywhere to celebrate gay culture. Soulforce is the biggest I think. They literally go to and after Christians living, studying and worshipping free from gay influence and, well, that's not tolerated by gay activism.

Keep in mind that attempting to pass legislation to curb gay rights, and attempting to keep out legislation that will bring equality to gay rights, is interaction with the gay community.

It's the necessary kind. We want you culture NOT taught in schools.

So if your decision to pretend that I, being a gay male, don't exist gives me the equality I desire, then I'm happy to win your avoidance.

Gays do not do what otehrs do. When you say "I am Gay," you're saying too much. Why not just say your name?

As it stands, the religious right is obsessed with gays.

A behavior that can make you commit suicide is of major concern. Also, the promiscuity and perversions that are always conected to gay communities is not unavoidable.

They simply cannot get enough of sticking their collective nose into my business.

As long as it is directed at other people's children, you will never be free of intense opposition.

It's such a severe amount of interaction that I fear for my life from these supposed Christians.

Bunk. You'll get hammered from straight dudes in a bar or other straight guys that just don't like gays cruising around them. Where, even in a the Jerry Falwell style Christian activism is there any call for violence against homosexuals? As I read the Stonewall Inn incident, it was the cops and other non-gays fearing for their lives.

I'm a member of a group called Pink Pistols, I advocate gun rights along side gay rights, and I pack a handgun to protect me from Christians whose sense of helping me 'see the light' is to bash my skull in.

Then you should fear all of your leftist/liberal/progressive buddies, because they are tring to disarm you. I don't own guns, but I can and have defeded myself against more than a few advancs from gay guys.

So if the religious right chose not to interact with gays, then I'd be safer, I wouldn't have a reason to arm myself.

You need to go to an Evangelical Church. I have gone to many gay environments, the violence is far more prevelant in gay culture than anything even remotely similar in Christian life.

But I know you know that "if" you are gay.

 

[KCKID]

Of course you are. Furthermore, you can rightly hold your head high for being who you are. You're not particularly extraordinary or odd and certainly NOT an abomination merely because you happen to be homosexual. So WHAT, for crying out loud? The behavior of some posters, however, IS bordering on the abominable and in NO WAY represents Jesus Christ the way I read the scriptures.

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" . . . the way I read the scriptures." - KCKID

Therein lies the issue.

It's an issue because I don't see the Gospel as being judgmental and condemning as you do? You must really learn to love yourself, PC_F.

These people are what I term as 'fear-driven Christians' who are almost afraid to put one foot in front of the other without first consulting the Bible to see if it's okay to 'walk'.

Your "opinion" once again. Science is also the friend of the Bible-affirming Christian.

Legalisic Christians are those who appear to display blatant signs of obsessive/compulsive/paranoic behavior. They feel the need to zone in on the perceived sins of others while (sincerely?) believing that 'they' are holy and without blemish. If not they would concentrate on getting themselves right and leaving others alone. But they don't. They fear their concept of hell (literal eternal torment) so much that they would rather kowtow to the words of a 'holy book' written by men sooner than try to understand the intricacies and the needs of their fellow human beings ...in this case, homosexuality. They are drawn to legalism and they take EVERYTHING the Bible says as literal because they fear the God of the Bible. They say that God is love but they don't REALLY believe that. Therefore, they feel that by being legalistic and judgmental and condemning of the sins of 'others' they actually please God and will therefore not receive His wrath. God's wrath is for others, not them.

Though SO fearful that they might offend God and be subjected to His wrath they also live in this exclusive world of self-righteousness and make-believe and, as a result, make an absolute mockery of the very Being they claim to speak for.

Preaching a different Gospel is mockery.

Who is preaching a different Gospel? I'm certainly not. By the way, 'gospel' has a small 'g'.

These people are sinners with a capital 'S' but they don't seem to know it. Sinners appear to be anyone but them.

How judgmetal of you KCKID. yet the evidence does not support your opinion.

Hey, I'm not being judgmental. I'm just telling it straight from the Bible. ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Um, with the possible exception of yourself, that is. Forgive me, PC_F. (I sometimes forget who I'm talking to).

Homosexuals are the favorite target of this sanctimonious bunch. One 'Christian' poster on this board even gets excited at the prospect of 'sinners' (who so happen to be anyone but her/him) being killed, for heaven's sake!

That ALSO violates the scriptures

Um, excuse me ...were you not passing out accolades to this very same person elsewhere?

the same as celebrating gay culture does.

I can't find any reference in the Bible about celebrating 'gay culture'. Could you give me the scripture?

I'm not 'gay', I consider myself a Christian, but I'll be d....d if I'll allow the likes of PC_F and a few others on this forum to defile the honor of people such as yourself without my putting up a fight.

Yet you use nothing more than your personal opinions. Scripture of course, is not on your side so you have to go the indy route.

I use my God-given brain and reasoning abilities MUCH MORE SO than the words of people who hadn't yet figured out how to install indoor plumbing. Not that these people are even saying what you CLAIM they are saying. My God-given brain and reasoning abilities tell me that people such as yourself (who are NOT God!) have no right to defile the honor of any other living soul!

I'm not 'defending' you as such - not that you would want me to - but more expressing my revulsion at proclaimed Christians publicly demeaning fellow human beings on a Christian forum under the guise of 'speaking for Jesus'.

Let Jesus speak for himself. Gay Culture is just as wrong.

Tell me where Jesus publicly demeaned fellow human beings UNLESS they were sanctimonious and pious HYPOCRITES and deserving of it! Um, if the shoe fits, wear it . . .Incidentally, Jesus never said a word about 'the Gay Culture'.

Just as PC_F's catchcry states ...I'm not going away either.

And if these progressive mods don't ban me for my stance on Apostolic truth, you'll not be rid of me anytime soon.

Either one of us could be banned for goofing up. So, I'm not just referring to this forum when I say that I'm not going away.By the way, if you want to lessen the risk of getting banned DON'T present homosexual pornography on the forum. If you must, watch it in the privacy of your own home.

How about a theological based debate, you and I?

Well, sure, but based on WHOSE theology ...yours (that of your church) or mine? We're both at theological odds in areas other than this one. Still, I guess I can begin by asking you to show me the words 'sex', 'homosexual', 'gay', 'gay agenda/gay culture', 'sexual orientation', 'lesbian' and 'heterosexual' in the Bible (original manuscripts) and we can start from there. I mean, these ARE the words as used by the Apostles that you keep talking about, were they not?
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[KCKID]

Polycarp Fan: What do you mean "detestable practices"?

Abominations.

What PC_F means is that performing recreational sex with one of the same gender is detestable but performing recreational sex with one of the opposite gender is NOT detestable. Now, one very same act results in pleasure (or not) while the other very same act results in ...um ...pleasure (or not). BUT, and THIS is the crunch ...sexual pleasure is only permissible with someone of the opposite gender. However, no one knows why. It just IS and we shouldn't ask questions. It's just 'one of those things'.

NOTE: If the truth be known, sex isn't supposed to be for pleasure anyway, it's supposed to be for procreating. Those who just 'do it' for pleasure deserve to die. But, that's an issue for another day.

 

[nesian]

love the sinner, hate the sin.

 

[CreedIsChrist]

I think this OP is both a yes and no answer. Because it entails many things that must be asked beforehand , such as

1. Is the gay person seeking the truth and looking for an answer. Does he want real truth? or is he just seeking someone to affirm him so he can validate himself. If it is the latter than he is seeking for personal reasons, not Truth.

2. Is this person willing to change or is he set in his ways. DOes he mock the Gospel of CHrist and God? We must make effort, but at the same time we must not throw pearls before swine as Jesus says. If mockery and scoffing happens, we must as Jesus says dust off our feet pray for their souls. These are the types of people the Paul commands us to not eat or drink with(non-seekers, mockers and scoffers, etc)

3. Is this person willing to truly look deep within himself and with true conviction and most importantly, repentence and sorrow for what he has done. If there is no sorrow for their sin how can there be forgiveness and repentence? There must be a resolve that what he or she is doing is wrong and against God's law

4. Pride. The worst sin of them all. Unfortunatly, pride wins alot of the time because Satan does not want us to goto heaven! ANd he will do anything within his freewill and ours.. Because pride may get the best of the person and thus he or she will not admit they are wrong and that they are ok. In todays world it is very hard for people to humble themselves, because it involves admiting that they are wrong. Most people today do not want to admit that they have been wrong all along and in defiance to God's law. Again its a battle between Good and Evil here. Guilt, Conscious and Sorrow are pushing the person on one side, knowing in his heart that he is wrong(the law written on our hearts), but at the same time the worldy secular conditioning, intellectual dishonesty, pride, and evil pulling on the other side saying that everything is ok and to not believe in any of this mumbo jumbo.

5. Conviction. Has the world dulled this persons conviction and guilt so much that he feels no sorrow anymore when he commits a sin? People use the Lords name in vain without blinking an eye, whereas a person with Godly conviction would shudder that the thought of it being said just once. How callous has this person become to his sin? There is an instinct, in our hearts that "knows" when something is wrong, its the law that it written on our hearts. For instance a person can be pro-abortion, but when he see's a picture of a dead aborted baby he "knows" within his soul that it is "wrong". Has this guilt and conscious been etched away to where it is totally non-existant?



As we see there are many factors to consider. There are many people with homosexual urges who ARE seeking the truth and do have conviction and some sense of repentence. These people are to be welcome in with open arms. Jesus welcomed everyone, but when he was rejected or scoffed at he dusted off his shoes and said "it will be better for Sodom and Gommorah than at town". The people who openly reject and mock us we should not eat with or have anything to do with, and sometimes agrueing with such people can be kicking a dead horse and as Jesus says "throwing our pearls before swine", only to have them trodden, and Im sure many christians knows what its like when their pearls are trodden by barbaric unGodly people who mock the Gospel. At that time, we can only pray for these poor blind souls. But for the people struggling with sin and looking for help must not in any way be denied. We are a sick people, and Christ is our only hope.

 

[Pliny the Elder]

I think this OP is both a yes and no answer. Because it entails many things that must be asked beforehand , such as

1. Is the gay person seeking the truth and looking for an answer. Does he want real truth? or is he just seeking someone to affirm him so he can validate himself. If it is the latter than he is seeking for personal reasons, not Truth.

2. Is this person willing to change or is he set in his ways. DOes he mock the Gospel of CHrist and God? We must make effort, but at the same time we must not throw pearls before swine as Jesus says. If mockery and scoffing happens, we must as Jesus says dust off our feet pray for their souls. These are the types of people the Paul commands us to not eat or drink with(non-seekers, mockers and scoffers, etc)

3. Is this person willing to truly look deep within himself and with true conviction and most importantly, repentence and sorrow for what he has done. If there is no sorrow for their sin how can there be forgiveness and repentence? There must be a resolve that what he or she is doing is wrong and against God's law

4. Pride. The worst sin of them all. Unfortunatly, pride wins alot of the time because Satan does not want us to goto heaven! ANd he will do anything within his freewill and ours.. Because pride may get the best of the person and thus he or she will not admit they are wrong and that they are ok. In todays world it is very hard for people to humble themselves, because it involves admiting that they are wrong. Most people today do not want to admit that they have been wrong all along and in defiance to God's law. Again its a battle between Good and Evil here. Guilt, Conscious and Sorrow are pushing the person on one side, knowing in his heart that he is wrong(the law written on our hearts), but at the same time the worldy secular conditioning, intellectual dishonesty, pride, and evil pulling on the other side saying that everything is ok and to not believe in any of this mumbo jumbo.

5. Conviction. Has the world dulled this persons conviction and guilt so much that he feels no sorrow anymore when he commits a sin? People use the Lords name in vain without blinking an eye, whereas a person with Godly conviction would shudder that the thought of it being said just once. How callous has this person become to his sin? There is an instinct, in our hearts that "knows" when something is wrong, its the law that it written on our hearts. For instance a person can be pro-abortion, but when he see's a picture of a dead aborted baby he "knows" within his soul that it is "wrong". Has this guilt and conscious been etched away to where it is totally non-existant?



As we see there are many factors to consider. There are many people with homosexual urges who ARE seeking the truth and do have conviction and some sense of repentence. These people are to be welcome in with open arms. Jesus welcomed everyone, but when he was rejected or scoffed at he dusted off his shoes and said "it will be better for Sodom and Gommorah than at town". The people who openly reject and mock us we should not eat with or have anything to do with, and sometimes agrueing with such people can be kicking a dead horse and as Jesus says "throwing our pearls before swine", only to have them trodden, and Im sure many christians knows what its like when their pearls are trodden by barbaric unGodly people who mock the Gospel. At that time, we can only pray for these poor blind souls. But for the people struggling with sin and looking for help must not in any way be denied. We are a sick people, and Christ is our only hope.

Science and Psychology both trump your so called truth and have emphatically stated that homosexuality is both normal and harmless so I guess at this point it merely comes down to your opinion of the truth versus actual facts.

 

[KCKID]

love the sinner, hate the sin.

How do you target the sin without hitting the sinner with the same arrow?

 

[Polycarp_fan]

How do you target the sin without hitting the sinner with the same arrow?

You need better theology instructors KID.

 

[Psudopod]

It's the necessary kind. We want you culture NOT taught in schools.

But you've never been able to say what that culture is. I can understand not wanting promiscuity taught, but then I've never seen a curriculum that does.

Gays do not do what otehrs do. When you say "I am Gay," you're saying too much. Why not just say your name?

I've never met anyone who introduces themselves as "Hi I'm X and I'm gay." Maybe "Hi I'm John and this is my partner Dave", but how is that wrong? If people are introducing themselves as "I'm gay" it's because they're fed up with being told they should be living in the closet and are making a statement about how they are proud to be themselves.

A behavior that can make you commit suicide is of major concern.

Show me some evidence that it's being gay that makes them commit suicide, and not people's reaction to them being gay.

As long as it is directed at other people's children, you will never be free of intense opposition.

Children are going to see gay people. They will see two me walking down the street holding hands, they will see two women kissing. Unless you keep them in little sensory deprivation boxes it will happen. Unless you are suggesting that gays should never be allowed to show any kind of affection to the one they love in public?

 

[Wyzaard]

For instance a person can be pro-abortion, but when he see's a picture of a dead aborted baby he "knows" within his soul that it is "wrong".

Ummm... nope.

 

[cwolf20]

Teaching by example is not the same as talking (or in some cases, yelling) someone's ear off.

The first "might" show someone an alternative to their lifestyle.

The second shows them what most people don't want to be like. "Blah blah blah, yap yap" isn't a good way to explain a point.

And as a Christian hetrosexual, even I'm irritated by the "Blah" and the "Yap" I see on tv and in various public areas about why homosexuals should be straight.

I can understand discussions. Heck I've seen a few polite debates in coffee shops between people about whether gay is right or wrong that by rights should put the finger pointing, tongue wagging, yappers to shame simply because the debates get more people listening than they do.

odd note: in one debate, an atheist lesbian (her title, her words) wound up not only being more knowledgeable about the bible than a lot of the Christians there, she was surprised when her knowledge caused someone to decide to start going to church.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

It's an issue because I don't see the Gospel as being judgmental and condemning as you do?

The Gospel is freedom for those that embrace it. Jesus was very clear about the condemnation that is also reality. You are a product of a permissive liberalism that has jettisoned accountability for any kind of excuse it can invent. Good luck with that.

You must really learn to love yourself, PC_F.

If I do that you'll tag on narcississm. But my confidence in Christ and the Apostolic witness is a good foundation for love.

Legalisic Christians are those who appear to display blatant signs of obsessive/compulsive/paranoic behavior.

You lefties love to use psychology as some kind of truth measure. Why do you do that? Psychology is a joke that has hurt more people than it has helped. Ever go out into the real world KID?

They feel the need to zone in on the perceived sins of others while (sincerely?) believing that 'they' are holy and without blemish.

That would not be the case for any Evangelical hailing from that perspective. Real Christians focus on their own sins and NOT encouraging others to sin. BIG difference from what liberalism pushes.

If not they would concentrate on getting themselves right and leaving others alone. But they don't.

You are confusing protecting the family with proselytizing. I see this as ubiquitous from the left. You're so hysterical to get out of accountability and consequences you prop up this bizaare ideology to prove yourselves the ones with the clean hands.

They fear their concept of hell (literal eternal torment) so much that they would rather kowtow to the words of a 'holy book' written by men sooner than try to understand the intricacies and the needs of their fellow human beings ...in this case, homosexuality.

Sorry dude. Jesus thought scripture the defining aspect of what was legit and what wasn't. I see this constantly from you lefties the utter revulsion of Biblical truth. Of course. It opposes your goals.

They are drawn to legalism and they take EVERYTHING the Bible says as literal because they fear the God of the Bible.

Your theological ignorance has you seeing "fear" when the concept is respect.

They say that God is love but they don't REALLY believe that.

Sooooo, you're idea of "love" is promoting sin and sinning, and encouraging people to take up sin? That's what it sounds like and looks like. This is why the Biblical tetimony most be demoted. That's common leftist activism. This is why I accurately lump so many of you together.

Therefore, they feel that by being legalistic and judgmental and condemning of the sins of 'others' they actually please God and will therefore not receive His wrath.

That's just absurd. PROVE IT???

Every Christian I interact with is a broken sinner looking to live their lives differently now. That's not judgmentalism pal, that is Christian life. AND NOT SUPPORTING and celebrating sin and sinners is what a Christian is supposed to do. You have a typical askewed version of Christian culture. Stop watching HBO and MSNBC.

God's wrath is for others, not them.

On what planet is your statement even remotely true? It's very hard for me to believre you ahev ever interacted with a Christian in your life if that statement is what you believe.

Who is preaching a different Gospel? I'm certainly not.

You most certainly are and I have proven that over and over and over agian. You preach a Gospel that the Apostles wrote us to stay away from.

By the way, 'gospel' has a small 'g'.

I just grabbed the first Bible close to me and opened it up to Luke. It's an NIV, the introduction to this Gospel is spelled with a large G.

Keep studying pal.

Hey, I'm not being judgmental. I'm just telling it straight from the Bible.

You're as judgmental as your idea of a fundy KID. You think you can bluff ME? I'm amazed that you have re-entered debating me. You must have read some lib website and think you have some ammo to use on me. No chance dude.

ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Um, with the possible exception of yourself, that is.

And it took just two sentences for you to prove me right once more. Why do you think I'm so cocky? You lefties step up to the plate and swing for the fence and don't even come close to a hit.

Forgive me, PC_F. (I sometimes forget who I'm talking to).Um, excuse me ...were you not passing out accolades to this very same person elsewhere?

I think you're a wonderful person too. It took guts for you to come back to debating me seeing how crushed you've been from the experiences past. One compliment does not mean joining up for the cause. I do not oppose adults getting civil unions, I have written that many times, and I am 100% opposed to gay culure and gay activism. 100%.

I can't find any reference in the Bible about celebrating 'gay culture'.

And you never will, until Soulforce and Mel White write their own version. Why do you persist in promoting gay and pretending you have a Biblical leg to stand on?

Could you give me the scripture?

It isn't there. This line of questioning make you look unstable in your postions. Best just go to ad hom and vitriol towards me. You know the common tools against the Bible-affirming person.

I use my God-given brain and reasoning abilities MUCH MORE SO than the words of people who hadn't yet figured out how to install indoor plumbing.

Hmm, they sure got the complicated world of sexuality right. Why is it that you can use plumbing to make yourself look intelligent, and you you support the misuse of sexuality between same-gendered humans? Or animals too if you will. Odd that you would use an analogy that makes the support of gay culture impossible.

Not that these people are even saying what you CLAIM they are saying.

The Bible is written and finished. Go start your own religion if you want gay sex to be celebrated. Actually, there are many ancient pagan religions you could rehash that use gay sex in them. There are a lot of old "traditional denom" Churches empty now that you can take over very easily. While the Christians there flooded to Evangelical Churches, you can have the empty builidngs. Make some real estate agent some money and build a bar and bath house and a pagan religious venue all at the same time.

You ceratinly cannot fit your theology or social activism in a Christian Church that holds the Bible as important. That's why you guys scream so loudly about seperation of Church and State.

My God-given brain and reasoning abilities tell me that people such as yourself (who are NOT God!) have no right to defile the honor of any other living soul!

I'll take your accusation, because it is founded on nothing more than emotionalism and cheap hype. "I" have never once encouraged anyone to sin or promote sin. You have not one shred of evidence against me for doing anything other than not encouraging people to sin.

Tell me where Jesus publicly demeaned fellow human beings UNLESS they were sanctimonious and pious HYPOCRITES and deserving of it!

Jesus said to the crowd that they were an evil and perverse generation looking for a sign and would get nothing other than the sign of Jonah.

Luke 11:

29As the crowds increased, Jesus said, "This is a wicked generation. It asks for a miraculous sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah. 30For as Jonah was a sign to the Ninevites, so also will the Son of Man be to this generation. 31The Queen of the South will rise at the judgment with the men of this generation and condemn them; for she came from the ends of the earth to listen to Solomon's wisdom, and now one greater than Solomon is here. 32The men of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and now one greater than Jonah is here.

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Right before this Jesus was talking with a crowd and when he was done this happned:

27As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, "Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you."

28He replied, "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it."

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Um, if the shoe fits, wear it . . .

Good advice for you to take regarding the above.

Incidentally, Jesus never said a word about 'the Gay Culture'.

Oh really. What did Jesus say a marriage "was?"

It is not same-gendered ever. Looks indeed like Jesus talked about gay culture. And so do His Apsotles and Disciples that had to write the New Testament to combat heresy like the kinds you appeaqr to be peddling.

Shall I post Jude ONCE AGAIN?

Either one of us could be banned for goofing up.

It does look like the Bible-affirming Christians get targeted here. I'll agree with Funny Fundie on that reality.

So, I'm not just referring to this forum when I say that I'm not going away.

I would hope that you would "see the light," but I am a big boy and know why Jesus said to treat unrepentant sinners like "pagans and tax collectors." And, why He said to preach the Gospel and walk away from those that reject it. In real life, we wouldn't be talking about the things we do here in cyber space.

By the way, if you want to lessen the risk of getting banned DON'T present homosexual pornography on the forum.

Why not? To show Christian culture I would show worship centers and large worship festivals as representations of what Christiansn do. It is not my fault what is celebrated in gay culture.

If you must, watch it in the privacy of your own home.

Good suggestion. Throwing up wouldn't be so embrassing in my own bathroom.

Well, sure, but based on WHOSE theology ...yours (that of your church) or mine? We're both at theological odds in areas other than this one.

The Apostles were clear on whose theology we base Christian life. You use Humanism and I use the Gospel and Apostolic witness.

Still, I guess I can begin by asking you to show me the words 'sex', 'homosexual', 'gay', 'gay agenda/gay culture', 'sexual orientation', 'lesbian' and 'heterosexual' in the Bible (original manuscripts) and we can start from there.

Sex is most certainly mentioned in a good and bad light "in the Bible," while gay sex is not. Your employing 20th century neologism is pathetic in an attempt to celebrate gay culture. You have no chanc at that at all. The writers of the Bible saw you and this false etaching coming from their day and centuries off.

I mean, these ARE the words as used by the Apostles that you keep talking about, were they not?

I notice this freakish use of baggering from people of your ideological persuasion. I present actual happenings and accurate references and you wait awhile for posts to go by and then ask me "where's your proof?"

It's creepy.

 

[Mling]

I've never gotten an answer to my question about how my being gay makes any aspect of my lifestyle more evil than if I was doing it while straight.

So...here's a more or less complete look at everything I've done for the past ...let's say week, shall we?

Last Tuesday:
I went to work (paraprofessional at a vocational high school) and, mostly I answered teenagers questions about math while they were taking a big test. I helped them with their homework. Came home and played computer games for a while, then went to an Aikido class (weapons). Studied a sword kata. Returned. Games, bed.

Last Wednesday:
Went to work for a half-day, which was totally pointless. Watched a TV show in the math classes, and googled black hole singularities. Head started spinning at some point, and I found myself pacing and muttering about the life cycle of the universe. Helped kids with homework and with signing Christmas/holiday cards that will be delivered to elderly people in nearby nursing homes and hospitals. Left school and drove home to help mom clean up the house and prepare Thanksgiving dinner.

Last Thursday
Thanksgiving. Did Thanksgivingy things, involving a turkey and some family. Did not watch football.

Friday
Found a new thing to be thankful for: not being trampled by herds of stampeding materialists. Skipped Black Friday shopping and cleaned up a bit more from Thanksgiving, picked up some medication and then drove home.

Weekend

Played video games, rearranged the living room with my roommates (they are a couple with each other, unmarried but heterosexual, so that's ok.) Went food shopping for myself and the hamster. Played D&D at a local gaming store. Made turkey soup.

Monday

Staggered through work, since my sleep cycle was messed up from the vacation, and my head wasn't in the game. Looked up information on becoming an EMT. Prepared for a potential fight between my roommates and another mutual friend, but that got handled calmly. Went to bed early.

Today
Better day today, though my nearing a decision about leaving this job at the end of the school year is causing me to care about it less. Though, it has been a 'beat your head against the wall until you pass out' sort of job anyway. Found out that one of the students is in *very* bad shape, emotionally and trying to figure out what, if anything, I can do about that. I care about him, but he doesn't like me (mostly because I'm new to him) so I'm probably not the one he'd go to for help or support, but I'm definitely going to be supportive where and when I can. Little things can make an enormous difference. My entire relationship with a student changed earlier this year because I said I liked his Halloween costume. Skipped Aikido.



So, that's a typical week with me. Can anybody tell me which parts of that are made more abominable because of my gayness?

 

[Robbie_James_Francis]

So, that's a typical week with me. Can anybody tell me which parts of that are made more abominable because of my gayness?

Because through all that at the back of your mind you're plotting the downfall of Western civilisation so you can force everyone to be like you. Not to mention constantly thinking about sex and other people having sex, you pervert!

...oh wait, that was PC_F's week.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Because through all that at the back of your mind you're plotting the downfall of Western civilisation so you can force everyone to be like you. Not to mention constantly thinking about sex and other people having sex, you pervert!

...oh wait, that was PC_F's week.

All that Humanist enlightenment thinking and it all breaks down to petty insult. Thanks for proving my point about the homogenized left.

It's easy to see why our youth culture is strung out and debauched.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

I've never gotten an answer to my question about how my being gay makes any aspect of my lifestyle more evil than if I was doing it while straight.

So...here's a more or less complete look at everything I've done for the past ...let's say week, shall we?

Last Tuesday:
I went to work (paraprofessional at a vocational high school) and, mostly I answered teenagers questions about math while they were taking a big test. I helped them with their homework. Came home and played computer games for a while, then went to an Aikido class (weapons). Studied a sword kata. Returned. Games, bed.

Last Wednesday:
Went to work for a half-day, which was totally pointless. Watched a TV show in the math classes, and googled black hole singularities. Head started spinning at some point, and I found myself pacing and muttering about the life cycle of the universe. Helped kids with homework and with signing Christmas/holiday cards that will be delivered to elderly people in nearby nursing homes and hospitals. Left school and drove home to help mom clean up the house and prepare Thanksgiving dinner.

Last Thursday
Thanksgiving. Did Thanksgivingy things, involving a turkey and some family. Did not watch football.

Friday
Found a new thing to be thankful for: not being trampled by herds of stampeding materialists. Skipped Black Friday shopping and cleaned up a bit more from Thanksgiving, picked up some medication and then drove home.

Weekend

Played video games, rearranged the living room with my roommates (they are a couple with each other, unmarried but heterosexual, so that's ok.) Went food shopping for myself and the hamster. Played D&D at a local gaming store. Made turkey soup.

Monday

Staggered through work, since my sleep cycle was messed up from the vacation, and my head wasn't in the game. Looked up information on becoming an EMT. Prepared for a potential fight between my roommates and another mutual friend, but that got handled calmly. Went to bed early.

Today
Better day today, though my nearing a decision about leaving this job at the end of the school year is causing me to care about it less. Though, it has been a 'beat your head against the wall until you pass out' sort of job anyway. Found out that one of the students is in *very* bad shape, emotionally and trying to figure out what, if anything, I can do about that. I care about him, but he doesn't like me (mostly because I'm new to him) so I'm probably not the one he'd go to for help or support, but I'm definitely going to be supportive where and when I can. Little things can make an enormous difference. My entire relationship with a student changed earlier this year because I said I liked his Halloween costume. Skipped Aikido.

So, that's a typical week with me. Can anybody tell me which parts of that are made more abominable because of my gayness?

It would be the parts that are missing in your report.

Working at a High School? Of course.

How cliche.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

It's like asking if a Christian should interact with a person with arthritis, or a person who likes seafood, or....just a person.

Trying to cure arthritis is not considered a phobia or a hate crime. Peter already dealt with the food issue for Christians. Notice same-gender sex is still opposed.

If you are a Christian, which you profess to be, you will LOVE other people. If they curse you, or get angry at you, that makes no difference.

Then why did Jesus tell His Disciples to leave them alone if they refuse the Gospel?

Plus, it sounds like the OP is projecting his anger onto others anyway.

Adept at deep thought I see. Well done. It was a two-way situation that I had in mind in this horrible situation between Gays and Christians, but I believe no one picked up on that except you. Christians should never let anything make them angry. I know it's hard to see your children targeted by activists hell-bent on debauching them, but a cool head prevails in most situations.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Wow, talk about passive aggressive. It sounds like the OP wants justification for feeling animosity.

And I thought you were doing so well. Anger is another reason why Christians should not interact with Gays.

Seek and you shall find?

And this is why Christians HAVE TO react to gay activism in the public schools.

Anyway, the point is very simple. If you seek out enemies, you'll find them.

Rather, if you seek out other people's children, parents are going to challenge that.

If you look for reasons to feel angry, you'll find them.

Seeing what is happening to our children in the public schools is going to make any decent parent angry.

 

[Pliny the Elder]

And I thought you were doing so well. Anger is another reason why Christians should not interact with Gays.

You are the ones causing the anger.

And this is why Christians HAVE TO react to gay activism in the public schools.

Teaching kids tolerance is not teaching them to be gay.

Rather, if you seek out other people's children, parents are going to challenge that.

Not all parents feel the same way, I for one want my kids to accept all people as they are, even the bigots.

Seeing what is happening to our children in the public schools is going to make any decent parent angry.

Decent parents teach their kids that gay people are deserving of the same respect as others.