Should Christians interact with Gays at all?

[LJSGM]

Many teens are commiting suicide these days. Why not focus on the why of that and deal with bullying with the assualt laws already on the books. No need for this special classification of gay life to become something special. Treat all kids as special without calling attention to their preferred sex life.

I don't see schools treating anyone more "special" just because they are making them aware of the situation. If you have a problem with the school teaching your son or daughter about homosexuality, you could always sit them down yourself and have a talk with them about what you believe. In the end, they have to make their own choices.

There are more kids killed by gang violence many times over than because someone doesn't like the way they have sex.

Except one is a hate crime.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

I don't see schools treating anyone more "special" just because they are making them aware of the situation. If you have a problem with the school teaching your son or daughter about homosexuality, you could always sit them down yourself and have a talk with them about what you believe. In the end, they have to make their choices.

I have and they will. They go to private schools where my rights are respected.

Except one is a hate crime.

The Gay Agenda.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

If you are talking about the bible then I agree.

Hmmm, how many denominations are there again?

And atheism? They react like a herd of zebra.

If I am talking about the Bible and Christians, your position looks rather bad.

 

[IzzyPop]

Christians live in fear of reprisals in most public and private colleges these days. Soulforce is even attacking Christians in their private schools to accept gay culture or be labeled a bigot, homophobe and this newest neologism a spiritual hater. GLBT's sure appear to want complete rule and even in the spiritual realm as well. Go to the Soulforce website and see for yourself.

And what does that have to do with either me or what I said?

Sexual "intercourse" is anatomically, biologically and physiologically impossible between same-gender mammals. But, if you disagree with homosexuality as a normal and equal sex act to what opposite gender individuals do sexually, you are immediately attacked. Science supports the opposition to normalizing gay sex, but you see the opposite reaction from those promoting the GLBT culture.

Once again, what does that have a thing to do with what I said?

Is Prudhomme gay? If not, this would be an example of a thread derial.

And you complaining about a thread derail is funny.

 

[Pliny the Elder]

I have and they will. They go to private schools where my rights are respected.

Great, I am sure they will be so much better off not respecting another group of people because you say so.

The Gay Agenda.

The Christian agenda is to demonize and marginalize homosexuality and then to gain the right to stone them in public, if I am wrong then prove it, otherwise I am going to start telling everyone what the Christian agenda is because I say that is what it is, sound familiar?

 

[Polycarp_fan]

And what does that have to do with either me or what I said once again, what does that have a thing to do with what I said?

I put those together as a run on.

And you complaining about a thread derail is funny.

You realize how absurd you look? My posts have a consistency to them that escapes no one. Not even you. I'll go for your kindergarten comeback as it certainly doesn't make my positions go away. You guys have employed every angle, even the self-loathing gay guy routine, and still you haven't altered reality one bit.

Smile on Poppy.

 

[Garyzenuf]

GLBT's sure appear to want complete rule and even in the spiritual realm as well.

I don't think most homosexuals care about your "spiritual realm", they just want to be treated equal in the physical realm.

 

[LJSGM]

I have and they will. They go to private schools where my rights are respected.



The Gay Agenda.

And the Nazis had the same suspicions about the Jews.


Please Lord, do not allow America to become like nazi Germany

 

[max1120]

I really do not get the point here. I do feel that all homosexual and transgendered persons are asking for is basic human rights. They want to be treated with the dignity and repect you expect yourself from othes.

Polycarp: Please explain this:
"sexual intercourse is anatomically,biologically,and pshycologically impossible between same gender mammels" I do notknow where you are getting your information but I can tell you I have seen it myself. In fact bisexuality occurs quite frequently in nature.

Polycarp, you also said "christians live in fear of reprisals in most puplic and priviate colleges these days" I doubt that,but could you explain your point? I doubt that people are making a list and going out and beating up christians at universities across the country. Christians just minding there own business are being attacked? I would like to know more about this if you can share.

I am saying this in attempt to understand and to show you that other Christians disagree with you. I am not doing this out anger or disrepect for your views.

 

[Stormy]

I am a Christian. That does not mean that I need an outlet to hate on gays. It does not even mean that I hate gays. I am tired of Christians in this thread using the word Christian as a synonym for gay haters.

I wonder too.. how and why anyone would spend so much time and energy trying to perfect someone other than themselves. Surely there are problems of their own that need attention.

Can I associate with a gay and still maintain my Christianity? I think I can, and I do. There is so much more to life than who you sleep with.

Sure, the Bible says that gay sex is a sin, but so is many other things.. divorce, lying, cheating on taxes. No one makes sign and parades against common sins. Its the splinter in the other's eye thing.

Before you take up the cross against your neighbor consider the fact that his homosexuality may not be a God given test of him.. but it could be a test of you.

I would rather stand before my God as a homosexual Christian who loved his neighbor, than a straight Christian who preached hate and damnation. Hate and Christianity should never be linked together.

 

[Garyzenuf]

I would like to know more about this if you can share.

Oh oh, here come the non-related links.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

And the Nazis had the same suspicions about the Jews.


Please Lord, do not allow America to become like nazi Germany

Nazi stands for National Socialist or National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei - often abbreviated NSDAP). In English Nazi is also used as an adjective.

Ring an American bell?

What religion is now being ghettoized?

Seperation of church and state right?

 

[Garyzenuf]

Before you take up the cross against your neighbor consider the fact that his homosexuality may not be a God given test of him.. but it could be a test of you.

Nice point.

 

[LJSGM]

Nazi stands for National Socialist or National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei - often abbreviated NSDAP). In English Nazi is also used as an adjective.

Ring an American bell?

Yes, and what do "christians" want but to take over the government and kill all homosexuals?

What religion is now being ghettoized?

ghett---oiz---ed? nice word. American christians being persecuted? You have got to be kidding me. Move to china, maybe you'll know the difference between false and true persecution.

 

[max1120]

Stormy...nicely said, how said others do not understand what you have written. You seem like you have a good out look on things.

Max

 

[max1120]

LJSGM...I agree if you want to see persecution go to places like Iran and China..thats persecution with a capital P. That kind of thing does not usually happen in this country since we are country of laws where freedom of religion is one of constitutional freedoms.

 

[OllieFranz]

I can tell you from personal experience that Christians generally just don't even accept the idea of someone being intersex. No kidding, I have had several Christians say to me things like "God doesn't make mistakes like that."
(emphasis mine)

Bunk. I'm as conservative a Christian that has ever stood up against the bullies here, and a transsexual is thought of by every Christian I have ever interacted with (which is many hundreds) as a very disturbed person that is handled with the utmost respect and compassion.

Gays, Lesbians and of course "Bi-Sexuals" are a very different kind of issue.
(emphasis mine)

While it is good that you have "compassion" for "disturbed" transsexuals, your post does not answer geekgirlkelli's question about the intersex. Unless it is the same answer that she has gotten from other Conservative Christians -- a refusal to accept that the intersexed exist.

From Merriam-Webster Online:

Main Entry:trans·sex·u·al Variant(s):also tran·sex·u·al \(&#716tran(t)s-ˈsek-sh(ə-)wəl, -shəl\ Function:noun Date:1957 : a person who strongly identifies with the opposite sex and may seek to live as a member of this sex especially by undergoing surgery and hormone therapy to obtain the necessary physical appearance (as by changing the external sex organs)
— transsexual adjective
— trans·sex·u·al·ism also tran·sex·u·al·ism \-sh(ə-)wə-ˌli-zəm, -shə-ˌli-\ noun
— trans·sex·u·al·i·ty also tran·sex·u·al·i·ty \-ˌsek-shə-ˈwa-lə-tē\ noun


Main Entry:in·ter·sex Pronunciation: \ˈin-tər-ˌseks\ Function:noun Etymology:International Scientific VocabularyDate:1910 : an intersexual individual


Main Entry:in·ter·sex·u·al Pronunciation: \&#716;in-t&#601;r-&#712;sek-sh&#601;-w&#601;l, -shw&#601;l, -sh&#601;l\ Function:adjective Etymology:International Scientific VocabularyDate:circa 1866 1 : existing between sexes <intersexual hostility> 2 : intermediate in sexual characters between a typical male and a typical female
— in·ter·sex·u·al·i·ty \-&#716;sek-sh&#601;-&#712;wa-l&#601;-t&#275;\ noun
— in·ter·sex·u·al·ly \-&#712;sek-sh&#601;-w&#601;-l&#275;, -shw&#601;-l&#275;, -sh&#601;-l&#275;\ adverb



The most common form of intersexual person is the classic hermaphrodite, born with some sexual organs of both sexes, but there are also those whose external organs appear to be normal but they have internal organs for both sexes or for the opposite sex, and there are genetically intersexed individuals, such as XXY's whose bodies look like girls, despite having a Y chromosome and X's who develop as boys despite the lack of a Y chromosome. In both cases, their further development during puberty are different from the devlopment of "normal" boys and girls.

 

[LJSGM]

None of you Christians are being persecuted because of Christ, you are being persecuted because your "religion" is come to be associated with bigotry and hatred, in which I don't blame them. It is the spiritual climate in America, pharisicalism is mainstream. It's the "in thing" to do.

 

[Polycarp1]

The Christian agenda is to demonize and marginalize homosexuality and then to gain the right to stone them in public, if I am wrong then prove it, otherwise I am going to start telling everyone what the Christian agenda is because I say that is what it is, sound familiar?

No, that is the agenda of the Religious Right minority faction, which is tryng very hard to usurp exclusive use of the term Christian. The Christian agenda is to follow Jesus Christ, the One who said "Do unto others as you would wish them to do unto you," and "Inasmuch as you have done it unto one of the least of these, you have done it unto Me," and "Return good for evil." Something far and away different from the self-righteous posing and sneering, and efforts to bully and condemn others, that characterize the Religious Right.

 

[Braunwyn]

I am a Christian. That does not mean that I need an outlet to hate on gays. It does not even mean that I hate gays. I am tired of Christians in this thread using the word Christian as a synonym for gay haters.

I wonder too.. how and why anyone would spend so much time and energy trying to perfect someone other than themselves. Surely there are problems of their own that need attention.

Can I associate with a gay and still maintain my Christianity? I think I can, and I do. There is so much more to life than who you sleep with.

Sure, the Bible says that gay sex is a sin, but so is many other things.. divorce, lying, cheating on taxes. No one makes sign and parades against common sins. Its the splinter in the other's eye thing.

Before you take up the cross against your neighbor consider the fact that his homosexuality may not be a God given test of him.. but it could be a test of you.

I would rather stand before my God as a homosexual Christian who loved his neighbor, than a straight Christian who preached hate and damnation. Hate and Christianity should never be linked together.

Wow, incredibly insightful.