YES or NO: Is It Fair That Some People Are Going To Hell? (2)

[HuntingMan]

Thank you. I'm sitting here going "this young man really wants us to know how much he has learned in school." Bless his heart.

tell ya when it gets REALLY funny.
Let someone keep jabbering on about whatever fallacy your supposedly using...then just sit back and watch them talk and nail them on one of those fallacies themselves
The Red Herring is an all time favorite that is easy enough to catch someone in after a few pages of discussion when they realize theyve run out of steam...

A Red Herring is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue. The basic idea is to "win" an argument by leading attention away from the argument and to another topic. This sort of "reasoning" has the following form:

or as we uneducated backwater hicks like to call it 'changing the subject'

 

[Tissue]

Yeah sure. I still know absolute truth. After all that talking, you still haven't said much of anything other than there are no absolutes in your life.

Actually, I've disproven your, or anyone's, ability to know absolute truth with absolute certainty. A few scattered emotes and a condescending attitude does not change my argument.

If you are not willing to confront logic and rationality, however, perhaps others would be willing to step in and give an appraisal of the argument? If it is true, it completely destroys any foundation for people like Zaac to claim absolute certainty, and so far he seems incapable of providing any counter-argument.

 

[HuntingMan]

Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him:


Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

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[EnemyPartyII]

Hi Zaac, best will in the world, absolute certainty does not exist for humans. You might THINK you hav it, but even if you do, its stil an illusion.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Actually, I've disproven your, or anyone's, ability to know absolute truth with absolute certainty. A few scattered emotes and a condescending attitude does not change my argument.

If you are not willing to confront logic and rationality, however, perhaps others would be willing to step in and give an appraisal of the argument? If it is true, it completely destroys any foundation for people like Zaac to claim absolute certainty, and so far he seems incapable of providing any counter-argument.

If there is no such thing as absolutes, then there is no hope to know anything, or believe anything with certainty. What foolishness! Why would anyone want to be in a pulpit if he believes he doesn't know the absolute truth? Heaven help the congregation who sits under a skeptic like that.



God IS absolute truth. I know Him. Negating that is impossible.

 

[Tissue]

If there is no such thing as absolutes, then there is no hope to know anything, or believe anything with certainty. What foolishness! why would anyone want to be in a pulpit if he believes he doesn't know the absolute truth? Heaven help the congregation who sits under a skeptic like that.

God IS absolute truth. I know Him. Negating that is impossible.

Ah, but I have never argued that there are no absolute truths. To be sure, God is absolute Truth, and you do know God, and you do 'know' absolute Truth, but you do not have it with absolute certainty. That is the trick. Many people take "know" to mean absolute certainty, but in reality, it is something slightly less than that.

I'm not arguing that there isn't truth out there, or that we can't know things. But I am arguing that we can't have absolute certainty.

 

[HuntingMan]

If there is no such thing as absolutes, then there is no hope to know anything, or believe anything with certainty. What foolishness! why would anyone want to be in a pulpit if he believes he doesn't know the absolute truth? Heaven help the congregation who sits under a skeptic like that.



God IS absolute truth. I know Him. Negating that is impossible.

THAT is why the church is going entirely to hell. Everything has turned to this subjective truth nonsense.
We can make up anything we want and put a 'truth' label on it. Course that means no one ends up agreeing on anything.
Wonderful things theyre teaching in school these days.
Questioning is one thing...as long as one is intelligent enough to figure out that when theyve been given an answer there is no need to keep asking the SAME question again and again.
Its like todays kids are more interested in the question itself and dont really care about the answers.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

What Tissue said. Objective, absolute truth certainly exists. Humans can never know it for sure though.

Heisenberg's uncertainty principal, for a start

 

[HuntingMan]

What Tissue said. Objective, absolute truth certainly exists. Humans can never know it for sure though.

Heisenberg's uncertainty principal, for a start

Heisenberg, whoever he is, sounds like someone Id personally avoid like the black plague.

 

[Zaac]

Ah, but I have never argued that there are no absolute truths. To be sure, God is absolute Truth, and you do know God, and you do 'know' absolute Truth, but you do not have it with absolute certainty. That is the trick. Many people take "know" to mean absolute certainty, but in reality, it is something slightly less than that.

I'm not arguing that there isn't truth out there, or that we can't know things. But I am arguing that we can't have absolute certainty.

Will somebody stop this youngin from speaking?

 

[Floatingaxe]

Ah, but I have never argued that there are no absolute truths. To be sure, God is absolute Truth, and you do know God, and you do 'know' absolute Truth, but you do not have it with absolute certainty. That is the trick. Many people take "know" to mean absolute certainty, but in reality, it is something slightly less than that.

I'm not arguing that there isn't truth out there, or that we can't know things. But I am arguing that we can't have absolute certainty.

I possess absolute truth as God lives in me. No trick!

It is deception to argue against this. A believer, renewed in His mind by the Holy Spirit, possessing the mind of Christ, can have the certainty of absolute truth.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Which would be fine, if it werent for all the differing views that "True" believers have.

 

[HuntingMan]

Which would be fine, if it werent for all the differing views that "True" believers have.

Its still fine.
Gods truth is absolute. Either these true believers have come to understand that truth, or they havent. Hopefully they will.
It remains truth, however ....whether they do or do not ever finally understand or accept it.

 

[Tissue]

Will somebody stop this youngin from speaking?

Prove me wrong and I will drop the subject. Heck, if you would actually address my argument with logic instead of displaying a consistent disregard for the actual debate at hand, I'd be happy, and would probably stop reiterating my point.

As it stands, you are no longer debating, you're simply making condescending statements that don't actually relate to the issue. This certainly doesn't fare well for your position.

 

[Tissue]

I possess absolute truth as God lives in me. No trick!

It is deception to argue against this. A believer, renewed in His mind by the Holy Spirit, possessing the mind of Christ, can have the certainty of absolute truth.

I'm entirely aware that this is your opinion. I will point you to my argument that this is impossible on the page preceding this one. Refute that, if you still wish to hold your position.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Logic is not a worthy concept when we deal with the truth of God. He supersedes logic. He requires our faith in defiance of logic.

If it took logic to receive the things of God, then we wouldn't need faith.

But we do!

 

[HuntingMan]

I possess absolute truth as God lives in me. No trick!

It is deception to argue against this. A believer, renewed in His mind by the Holy Spirit, possessing the mind of Christ, can have the certainty of absolute truth.

I wouldnt worry myself too much by those who seem to believe that their fallible philosophers and their pathetic subjective truth actually means something in the presence of GODS ABSOLUTE TRUTH.

 

[Floatingaxe]

I'm entirely aware that this is your opinion. I will point you to my argument that this is impossible on the page preceding this one. Refute that, if you still wish to hold your position.

It is not impossible. The opposing argument lacks faith.

 

[Tissue]

Logic is not a worthy concept when we deal with the truth of God. He supersedes logic. He requires our faith in defiance of logic.

Actually, faith is logical. Faith, precisely speaking, is a blessing of knowledge bestowed upon us by the Holy Spirit. Faith is knowledge.

If it took logic to receive the things of God, then we wouldn't need faith.

But we do!

What is faith, but a knowledge of God? What is knowledge but a logical construct of human rationality and mentality?

 

[Tissue]

It is not impossible. The opposing argument lacks faith.

That doesn't mean anything. How can you refute a logical argument by saying it doesn't have faith?

You are being irrational, now. If you do not refute my argument, then, regardless of what you say about faith, you are entirely unable to maintain sincerity, intelligence, and your position. You can't just enter a discussion, make your claims, entirely ignore counter-arguments, and then expect to maintain some sort of dignity or rationality. This forum isn't your personal soapbox.