A very specific question for evolutionists.

[AV1611VET]

populations become separated, changes accumulate (mutations), and eventually the isolated population becomes reproductively incompatable with ancestral & contemporary populations.

Fine --- then tell me what population Eve's community separated from.

The point of all this, Jack, is that I can tell you exactly where Eve came from (and when); but then the Pharisees show up and say, "No, she didn't." And when I ask for specifics --- get absolutely nothing but rhetoric, websites, and theories.

 

[AV1611VET]

These are issues AV1611VET's been over many times before, and knows exactly what kind of answers he will get, but he likes to have people to dialog with. And sometimes, lacking a true topic, he manufacture one, ridiculous as it is. I don't believe AV1611VET really cares what answers he gets, other than to have something to respond to, because he's not about to serious consider what anyone says or waver one iota in his beliefs. Other than that the guy is a pleasant and amusing diversion.

My suggestion is to not take him too seriously (sorry about that AV). Only a suggestion of course.

And as I have stated --- I've learned a lot from this thread. Yes, I didn't expect anyone to tell me who Eve's beast-parents were, because EnemyPartyII explained some of this to me already; but the biggest thing I've learned in this thread alone, is that, contrary to what I thought, you guys do indeed have many missings pieces of the puzzle, and that the amoeba-to-us line is analog, not digital --- at least in theory.

In short, I now fully-understand why evolution is:

1. Unproveable.
2. Just a theory.

 

[Bombila]

And as I have stated --- I've learned a lot from this thread. Yes, I didn't expect anyone to tell me who Eve's beast-parents were, because EnemyPartyII explained some of this to me already; but the biggest thing I've learned in this thread alone, is that, contrary to what I thought, you guys do indeed have many missings pieces of the puzzle, and that the amoeba-to-us line is analog, not digital --- at least in theory.

In short, I now fully-understand why evolution is:

1. Unproveable.
2. Just a theory.

Beyond a doubt, you do not understand. You pick bits and pieces from what people tell you, refuse to so much as look at any source of information offered you, and manufacture from the scattered and deliberately misinterpreted bits a completely imaginary conjecture as to what a theory is or what evolution is or what evidence is.

I've actually read the KJV. Quite a few times. Straight through and in pieces. I've read commentaries on it, discussed it with people, including my own minister when I was a young woman, extensively, in a Bible study class. In other words, I actually examined the evidence, read the sources and questioned the experts before coming to a conclusion.

Which of us has taken the more honest approach, regardless of our final decision?

 

[Freodin]

Fine --- then tell me what population Eve's community separated from.

The point of all this, Jack, is that I can tell you exactly where Eve came from (and when); but then the Pharisees show up and say, "No, she didn't." And when I ask for specifics --- get absolutely nothing but rhetoric, websites, and theories.

Ok, so you can tell us exactly where Eve came from.

But now where did the first Cocker Spaniel come from?

 

[RomanSoldier]

If a gray wolf gave rise to a Cocker Spaniel, what gave rise to Eve?

A white wolf.

 

[Split Rock]

Thank you, Split Rock --- at least I have something to work with now.

Let's assume Homo ergaster.

So now my question is --- according to evolutionary logic, if Homo ergaster gave birth to a Homo sapien girl, wouldn't this girl eventually have mated with a Homo ergaster? Or is it that all of a sudden, Homo ergasters started giving birth to Homo sapiens, who then mated with each other?

I'm sure you have heard this before, but I guess you need to read it again... populations evolve, not individuals. There was never a single "Eve;" there was instead a population of males and females who speciated together as a breeding population from, in this example, the species H. ergaster.

 

[Split Rock]

And as I have stated --- I've learned a lot from this thread. Yes, I didn't expect anyone to tell me who Eve's beast-parents were, because EnemyPartyII explained some of this to me already; but the biggest thing I've learned in this thread alone, is that, contrary to what I thought, you guys do indeed have many missings pieces of the puzzle, and that the amoeba-to-us line is analog, not digital --- at least in theory.

In short, I now fully-understand why evolution is:

1. Unproveable.
2. Just a theory.

You know what a scientific theory is. Why do you repeat the same creationist drivel that it is "just" a theory?

You also know that science does not deal in "proofs."

 

[AV1611VET]

Beyond a doubt, you do not understand. You pick bits and pieces from what people tell you, refuse to so much as look at any source of information offered you, and manufacture from the scattered and deliberately misinterpreted bits a completely imaginary conjecture as to what a theory is or what evolution is or what evidence is.

I don't care how solid it is to you, Bombilla, if you can't tell me who Eve's parents were (hint: she didn't have any), then evolution can take a hike.

I've actually read the KJV. Quite a few times. Straight through and in pieces. I've read commentaries on it, discussed it with people, including my own minister when I was a young woman, extensively, in a Bible study class. In other words, I actually examined the evidence, read the sources and questioned the experts before coming to a conclusion.

I guess that makes you and me mirror opposites? You went through all that, and came out an Agnostic --- I didn't go through a lick of science, and came out a Christian.

Which of us has taken the more honest approach, regardless of our final decision?

You tell me, Bombilla. You joined this site shortly after I did, and I'm just now hearing this about your Biblical background. I joined two years ago, and everyone on this site (and probably other sites) know how ignorant I am about science --- and have known it for years.

 

[AV1611VET]

Ok, so you can tell us exactly where Eve came from.

But now where did the first Cocker Spaniel come from?

I don't know --- I asked before and Chalnoth (I think) mentioned that it can be traced back to the gray wolf.

 

[AV1611VET]

I'm sure you have heard this before, but I guess you need to read it again... populations evolve, not individuals. There was never a single "Eve;" there was instead a population of males and females who speciated together as a breeding population from, in this example, the species H. ergaster.

And this population came from where? Is this what you call punctuated equilibrium? Were they all born on the same day?

 

[Athrond]

AV: are you one of those people that deny that we can predict things by observing how they work (making explanatory/predictive theories)?

Saying that evolution is "just a theory" when your spaniel/wolf or different dog breeds shows evolution happening as you watch. And it happens all over the world in wild animal populations too. So can you retract your "evolution isn just a theory" statement please?


More to the point, and speaking using examples you can relate to:

Let's say The Adam and EVE theory of speciation is true for one moment.

If we all came from one mother and one father how come we are not all dribbling retards? Inbreeding and heavy incest for generations like in the A&E theory would have led to that, as history have shown. Natural selection would have to have happened or else there would be a substantial number of unfit individuals in the world today (derived from the retards that were fit enugh to breed at all). Or maybe only the fittest survived? (hmm something sounds familiar here).

Basically evolution happens all the time wheter you like it or not, and there is no evidence at all that the prosess of evolution is limited within "species" or "kinds".

A

 

[Bombila]

I don't care how solid it is to you, Bombilla, if you can't tell me who Eve's parents were (hint: she didn't have any), then evolution can take a hike.I guess that makes you and me mirror opposites? You went through all that, and came out an Agnostic --- I didn't go through a lick of science, and came out a Christian.You tell me, Bombilla. You joined this site shortly after I did, and I'm just now hearing this about your Biblical background. I joined two years ago, and everyone on this site (and probably other sites) know how ignorant I am about science --- and have known it for years.

Why would you know about my Christian past? You hardly ever entered any of the discussions I participated in or started in GA. You've mostly encountered me here, where it is less relevant.

Your 'Eve's parents' question makes no sense in terms of human evolution. Eve having no parents only makes sense in the context of Genesis. and even then you are apparently denying that God is the parent of Biblical Eve.

You won't find Eve among our ancestors, not in the sense you are mockingly seeking. You will instead, in some distant past find a group of male and female animals who mate and have children, and their children mate and have children, and so on for millennia of 'begats', each generation a little closer to being like us than the generations before.

Theistic evolutionists might view God's participation in this rather like that of the Dutchman who brought a small and rather pretty flower home from abroad, planted it, nurtured the most beautiful of its offspring, and the most beautiful and colourful of them, and so on until the tulip is what it is today, bearing flowers ten times the size of its forebears, ten times as strong-stemmed, vigorous, handsome, the desired point on a long continuum of parent and child. Which tulip was Eve?

 

[AV1611VET]

AV: are you one of those people that deny that we can predict things by observing how they work (making explanatory/predictive theories)?

No.

Saying that evolution is "just a theory" when your spaniel/wolf or different dog breeds shows evolution happening as you watch. And it happens all over the world in wild animal populations too. So can you retract your "evolution isn just a theory" statement please?

I actually believe in [micro]-evolution, and I don't plan to retract anything. It's the THEORY of evolution --- and according to the Bible --- it's wrong - (at the macro level); and I have a thread containing the four top reasons why, too.

If we all came from one mother and one father how come we are not all dribbling retards?

Because at first the gene pool was perfect, then, over the centuries, and thanks to entropy, it degraded into what it is today, and God finally placed a prohibition on it in Leviticus.

 

[AV1611VET]

Theistic evolutionists might view God's participation in this rather like that of the Dutchman who brought a small and rather pretty flower home from abroad, planted it, nurtured the most beautiful of its offspring, and the most beautiful and colourful of them, and so on until the tulip is what it is today, bearing flowers ten times the size of its forebears, ten times as strong-stemmed, vigorous, handsome, the desired point on a long continuum of parent and child. Which tulip was Eve?

My God didn't have to act like a Dutchman bringing home a tulip and babysitting it until it was ten times whatever.

He got it right the first time ---

 

[Bombila]

*sigh...*

 

[AV1611VET]

*sigh...*

I'm sorry you feel that way --- but frankly, it sounds to me like you once had some legitimate questions, and asked the right people, but got the wrong answers. If you were saved at one point (and it sounds like you were), then nothing on earth will convince me I won't see you in Heaven --- nothing.

 

[Bombila]

I'm sorry you feel that way --- but frankly, it sounds to me like you once had some legitimate questions, and asked the right people, but got the wrong answers. If you were saved at one point (and it sounds like you were), then nothing on earth will convince me I won't see you in Heaven --- nothing.

I know you mean that kindly, AV, so thank you.

If so, at least we'll have an equal opportunity at 'I told you so!'

 

[AV1611VET]

I know you mean that kindly, AV, so thank you.

If so, at least we'll have an equal opportunity at 'I told you so!'

Looking forward to it!

 

[MoonLancer]

Fine --- then tell me what population Eve's community separated from.

The point of all this, Jack, is that I can tell you exactly where Eve came from (and when); but then the Pharisees show up and say, "No, she didn't." And when I ask for specifics --- get absolutely nothing but rhetoric, websites, and theories.

eve doesn't exist, and besides, if your going to be taking that path, shouldn't you start from the beginning... Lilith.

 

[MoonLancer]

In short, I now fully-understand why evolution is:

1. Unproveable.
2. Just a theory.

dishonestly will get you nowhere.