Must the Temple of Jerusalem be Rebuilt?

[TheCub]

"So when you see the desolating sacrilege spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place[FONT=Arial, helvetica] (let the reader understand),[/FONT][FONT=Arial, helvetica] then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains; let him who is on the housetop not go down to take what is in his house; and let him who is in the field not turn back to take his mantle. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, helvetica](Cf. Mat 24:15-18)[/FONT]

The 'hidden' message of Mat 24:15-18........LET THE READER UNDERSTAND.


This writing explains in detail that St. Paul taught that the Church is the Temple. Do not wait for the Temple of Jerusalem to be rebuilt prior to preparing for the Tribulation. It may never occur.


Must the Reconstruction of the Temple of Jerusalem Precede the Second Coming of Jesus Christ?

http://www.call2holiness.org/ReconstructionoftheTemple/ReconstructionoftheTemple.htm


We should prepare now, for that which will be upon us very soon!

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7292676

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[jellybean99]

1. Replacement Theology is GARBAGE. Throw it away.
2. The Great Tribulation began with the 7-year ENP, which provides for shechita (ritual animal sacrifice), even though there hasn't been a legitimate animal sacrifice since 70 AD.
3. There is a mid-term review of the ENP that will fulfill the first part of Daniel 9:27. Animal rights will be the cause.
4. The Antichrist will set up an abomination on the wing (pinnacle) of the temple, fulfilling Daniel 9:27.

http://unsealedprophecy.wordpress.com/
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[Big Mouth Nana]

1. Replacement Theology is GARBAGE. Throw it away.
2. The Great Tribulation began with the 7-year ENP, which provides for shechita (ritual animal sacrifice), even though there hasn't been a legitimate animal sacrifice since 70 AD.
3. There is a mid-term review of the ENP that will fulfill the first part of Daniel 9:27. Animal rights will be the cause.
4. The Antichrist will set up an abomination on the wing (pinnacle) of the temple, fulfilling Daniel 9:27.

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[HisdaughterJen]

2Th 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.




There has to be another temple because the "man of lawlessness" stands in it and proclaims that he is God.

 

[gwynedd1]

What proof is there that the man of sin was not removed already? I don get it.
Also is this temple going to be the one Jesus sits in or will there be another?

 

[HisdaughterJen]

What proof is there that the man of sin was not removed already? I don get it.
Also is this temple going to be the one Jesus sits in or will there be another?

Here's your proof:

2Th 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
2Th 2:5 Don't you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time.
2Th 2:7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.



I'm not sure if it's the same temple....it looks like it may be. It would have to have the dimensions of Ezek 40-48.

Dan 8:13 Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to him, “How long will it take for the vision to be fulfilled—the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, the rebellion that causes desolation, and the surrender of the sanctuary and of the host that will be trampled underfoot?”
Dan 8:14 He said to me, “It will take 2,300 evenings and mornings; then the sanctuary will be reconsecrated.”


PS: that 2300 days is in Ezek 38/39...the gog invasion/destruction. (7 years to burn weapons but 7 months of that time is to bury the dead to cleanse the land....2300 days is 6 years, 5 months which is 7 months short of 7 years. This leads me to believe that the temple will be built while they are burying the gog invaders and then be reconsecrated when Christ physically comes (Ezek 43)).

 

[onwingsaseagles]

"So when you see the desolating sacrilege spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place[FONT=Arial, helvetica] (let the reader understand),[/FONT][FONT=Arial, helvetica] then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains; let him who is on the housetop not go down to take what is in his house; and let him who is in the field not turn back to take his mantle. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, helvetica](Cf. Mat 24:15-18)[/FONT]

The 'hidden' message of Mat 24:15-18........LET THE READER UNDERSTAND.


This writing explains in detail that St. Paul taught that the Church is the Temple. Do not wait for the Temple of Jerusalem to be rebuilt prior to preparing for the Tribulation. It may never occur.


Must the Reconstruction of the Temple of Jerusalem Precede the Second Coming of Jesus Christ?

http://www.call2holiness.org/ReconstructionoftheTemple/ReconstructionoftheTemple.htm


We should prepare now, for that which will be upon us very soon!

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7292676

.

True very true, read this.

Nicolas Sarkozy, Tony Blair, Barak Obama… these are some of the latest names being put forward for the identity of the antichrist. But are we looking in the wrong places?

I use the e-sword Bible program, and often refer to the “KJV+” (King James Version with the Strong’s Dictionary’s word numbers inserted in the text).

Checking the Greek word of the word “temple” in the New Testament (according to the Strong’s Greek Dictionary), I discovered that the Greek New Testament uses two words for "temple": hieron, and naos.

But one thing stood out very clearly:

The last time the Greek word naos is used in reference to the temple in Jerusalem, is at the time of the crucifixion of Christ:

“And, behold, the veil of the temple (Greek: naos) was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;” (Mat 27 :51).

“And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple (naos), and departed, and went and hanged himself.” (Mat.27: 5).

After that, the word naos is only used in reference to our bodies and the church as the temple of God; and the temple in Jerusalem is referred to only with the word hieron (with the exception only of Act.6: 13 and 21: 28, where the Greek words hagios [sacred] and topos [place] are used in reference to the unbelieving Jews’ assertion that the apostle Paul had defiled “this” “holy place”.

2Thes. 2: 4 uses the word naos - (the church):

"... who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple (naos) of God, setting himself forth, that he is God."

So using the e-sword Bible’s “KJV+” version, I did a word-search on the word “temple”, and listed all the verses where the word hieron is used for temple up until the time of the crucifixion of Christ, and all the verses where the word naos is used.

I discovered that the up until the time of the crucifixion of Christ, the word naos seems to be used only for (a) the holy place and most holy place of the Jerusalem temple; and (b) the body of Christ (Mar.14: 58; Joh.2: 19),

except where Luk.11: 51 uses the Greek word oikos (“house&#8221 for “the holy place” in a verse which parallels Mat.23: 35 (which uses the word naos).

The Greek word hieron (from the Greek hierushaluma – Jerusalem) seems to be used only in reference to the temple building and its outer courts.

For example:

“And when he was come into the temple (Greek: hieron), the chief priests and the elders of the people came unto him as he was teaching, and said, By what authority doest thou these things? and who gave thee this authority?” (Mat.21: 23).

“Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple (Greek: naos), it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!” (Mat.23:

 

[HisdaughterJen]

True very true, read this.

Nicolas Sarkozy, Tony Blair, Barak Obama… these are some of the latest names being put forward for the identity of the antichrist. But are we looking in the wrong places?

I use the e-sword Bible program, and often refer to the “KJV+” (King James Version with the Strong’s Dictionary’s word numbers inserted in the text).

Checking the Greek word of the word “temple” in the New Testament (according to the Strong’s Greek Dictionary), I discovered that the Greek New Testament uses two words for "temple": hieron, and naos.

But one thing stood out very clearly:

The last time the Greek word naos is used in reference to the temple in Jerusalem, is at the time of the crucifixion of Christ:

“And, behold, the veil of the temple (Greek: naos) was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;” (Mat 27 :51).

“And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple (naos), and departed, and went and hanged himself.” (Mat.27: 5).

After that, the word naos is only used in reference to our bodies and the church as the temple of God; and the temple in Jerusalem is referred to only with the word hieron (with the exception only of Act.6: 13 and 21: 28, where the Greek words hagios [sacred] and topos [place] are used in reference to the unbelieving Jews’ assertion that the apostle Paul had defiled “this” “holy place”.

2Thes. 2: 4 uses the word naos - (the church):

"... who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple (naos) of God, setting himself forth, that he is God."

So using the e-sword Bible’s “KJV+” version, I did a word-search on the word “temple”, and listed all the verses where the word hieron is used for temple up until the time of the crucifixion of Christ, and all the verses where the word naos is used.

I discovered that the up until the time of the crucifixion of Christ, the word naos seems to be used only for (a) the holy place and most holy place of the Jerusalem temple; and (b) the body of Christ (Mar.14: 58; Joh.2: 19),

except where Luk.11: 51 uses the Greek word oikos (“house&#8221 for “the holy place” in a verse which parallels Mat.23: 35 (which uses the word naos).

The Greek word hieron (from the Greek hierushaluma – Jerusalem) seems to be used only in reference to the temple building and its outer courts.

For example:

“And when he was come into the temple (Greek: hieron), the chief priests and the elders of the people came unto him as he was teaching, and said, By what authority doest thou these things? and who gave thee this authority?” (Mat.21: 23).

“Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple (Greek: naos), it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!” (Mat.23:

In order for that to be true, the anti-christ would have to stand inside the body of a born again believer and proclaim that he is God and that is impossible.

It will be an actual, physical temple with sacrifices.

Dan 12:11 “From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.


What gets me is that people don't understand that the Spirit-filled church has been given power to overcome all that the devil can do. We have to be gone before the devil can even think about reigning here. WE are "occupying" until Jesus comes.

 

[onwingsaseagles]

1. Replacement Theology is GARBAGE. Throw it away.
2. The Great Tribulation began with the 7-year ENP, which provides for shechita (ritual animal sacrifice), even though there hasn't been a legitimate animal sacrifice since 70 AD.
3. There is a mid-term review of the ENP that will fulfill the first part of Daniel 9:27. Animal rights will be the cause.
4. The Antichrist will set up an abomination on the wing (pinnacle) of the temple, fulfilling Daniel 9:27.

http://unsealedprophecy.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/the-silence-is-broken/
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That anti christ does not fulfill Daniel 9:27 Jesus fulfilled the first portion of it by being Messiah therefore confirming the covenant God made with Abraham.
Acts 3:25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our father saying unto Abraham, ''And unto thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
This is the covenant that was to be confirmed. So who confirms it?
Galatians 3:17a And this I say, that the covenant was confirmed before God in Christ.
Jesus Christ confirms the covenant of Messiah made to Abraham and 3.5 years later caused the sacrifices of animals to become obsolete by His own sacrifice of Himself, and will fulfill the last part of Daniel 9:27 when He returns to bring a end to the reign of the anti christ because the anti christ has cause the overspread of abominations.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

That anti christ does not fulfill Daniel 9:27 Jesus fulfilled the first portion of it by being Messiah therefore confirming the covenant God made with Abraham.
Acts 3:25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our father saying unto Abraham, ''And unto thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
This is the covenant that was to be confirmed. So who confirms it?
Galatians 3:17a And this I say, that the covenant was confirmed before God in Christ.
Jesus Christ confirms the covenant of Messiah made to Abraham and 3.5 years later caused the sacrifices of animals to become obsolete by His own sacrifice of Himself, and will fulfill the last part of Daniel 9:27 when He returns to bring a end to the reign of the anti christ because the anti christ has cause the overspread of abominations.

Bunk.

Is the covenant that Jesus confirmed only for one week of sevens? aka...seven years? NOPE! try again.

Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Must the Reconstruction of the Temple of Jerusalem Precede the Second Coming of Jesus Christ?

If that is the case, I wish the heck the Jews would hurry up and construct it, otherwise, I will just continue to eat and drink and be merry

Matthew 24:38 For as they were in the days, those, to-the before the flood eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until which day entered Noah into the ark,

Hebrews 11:7 To Faith being apprised Noah, the concerning the not as yet things being seen, being reverent, prepares an Ark into salvation of his house--through which he condemns the world, and of the according to Faith, righteousness became enjoyer of allotment.

 

[gwynedd1]

Here's your proof:

2Th 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
2Th 2:5 Don't you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time.
2Th 2:7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.



I'm not sure if it's the same temple....it looks like it may be. It would have to have the dimensions of Ezek 40-48.

Dan 8:13 Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to him, “How long will it take for the vision to be fulfilled—the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, the rebellion that causes desolation, and the surrender of the sanctuary and of the host that will be trampled underfoot?”
Dan 8:14 He said to me, “It will take 2,300 evenings and mornings; then the sanctuary will be reconsecrated.”


PS: that 2300 days is in Ezek 38/39...the gog invasion/destruction. (7 years to burn weapons but 7 months of that time is to bury the dead to cleanse the land....2300 days is 6 years, 5 months which is 7 months short of 7 years. This leads me to believe that the temple will be built while they are burying the gog invaders and then be reconsecrated when Christ physically comes (Ezek 43)).

Hello Jen,

I did not see the proof in that. What proves it?

 

[onwingsaseagles]

That anti christ does not fulfill Daniel 9:27 Jesus fulfilled the first portion of it by being Messiah therefore confirming the covenant God made with Abraham.
Acts 3:25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our father saying unto Abraham, ''And unto thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
This is the covenant that was to be confirmed. So who confirms it?
Galatians 3:17a And this I say, that the covenant was confirmed before God in Christ.
Jesus Christ confirms the covenant of Messiah made to Abraham and 3.5 years later caused the sacrifices of animals to become obsolete by His own sacrifice of Himself, and will fulfill the last part of Daniel 9:27 when He returns to bring a end to the reign of the anti christ because the anti christ has cause the overspread of abominations.

Bunk.

Why because you say so....lol...

 

[gwynedd1]

That anti christ does not fulfill Daniel 9:27 Jesus fulfilled the first portion of it by being Messiah therefore confirming the covenant God made with Abraham.
Acts 3:25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our father saying unto Abraham, ''And unto thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
This is the covenant that was to be confirmed. So who confirms it?
Galatians 3:17a And this I say, that the covenant was confirmed before God in Christ.
Jesus Christ confirms the covenant of Messiah made to Abraham and 3.5 years later caused the sacrifices of animals to become obsolete by His own sacrifice of Himself, and will fulfill the last part of Daniel 9:27 when He returns to bring a end to the reign of the anti christ because the anti christ has cause the overspread of abominations.

Hello onwingsaseagles,

I agree with half of it anyway. Have you ever seen Yoma 39b? You may like this site's explanation.

http://www.biblehistory.net/newsletter/scapegoat.htm

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Hello Jen,

I did not see the proof in that. What proves it?

Originally Posted by gwynedd1

What proof is there that the man of sin was not removed already? I don get it.​

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my answer:

2Th 2:8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.



That's how we know that the man of sin was not removed already...he is "removed" by Christ at His coming.

 

[onwingsaseagles]

Hello onwingsaseagles,

I agree with half of it anyway. Have you ever seen Yoma 39b? You may like this site's explanation.

http://www.biblehistory.net/newsletter/scapegoat.htm

I read the site, but was unsure of what you wanted me to see. Also I am curious what half of what I said did you not agree with?

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

Hello Jen,

I did not see the proof in that. What proves it?

I don't see the proof in it either, but then again I get more out of reading The Farmers Almanac then some folks posts
The temple has to be built before the AC can sit his keaster down in it and during the tribulation..or be ready for him before the tribulation. This is a very interesting site in Jerusalem, Israel that keeps up on all of the things happening there as far as getting ready for the new temple. They already have some of the instraments, red hiefer for sacrifice, robes etc. and show the pictures. They also have a Q&A section that we as Christians might want to know. If anything "temple" wise happens there, it will be made known here first on this site.
http://www.templeinstitute.org/main.htm

 

[gwynedd1]

I read the site, but was unsure of what you wanted me to see. Also I am curious what half of what I said did you not agree with?

In the Talmud they noticed a disturbance in the temple. In particular the red cloth that would turn white ceased to do so in 30AD. They took this to mean the sacrifice was no longer being accepted since the crimson stood for their sin. This fits well with the mid-week stopping of the sacrifice.
What I don't agree with is the antichrist will be removed. I believe he is long gone.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

What I don't agree with is the antichrist will be removed. I believe he is long gone.

Then that's why you can't understand this scripture. You are blinded by errant theology:

Originally Posted by gwynedd1

Hello Jen,

I did not see the proof in that. What proves it?

Originally Posted by gwynedd1

What proof is there that the man of sin was not removed already? I don get it.​

​

my answer:

2Th 2:8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.



That's how we know that the man of sin was not removed already...he is "removed" by Christ at His coming.

 

[onwingsaseagles]

In the Talmud they noticed a disturbance in the temple. In particular the red cloth that would turn white ceased to do so in 30AD. They took this to mean the sacrifice was no longer being accepted since the crimson stood for their sin. This fits well with the mid-week stopping of the sacrifice.
What I don't agree with is the antichrist will be removed. I believe he is long gone.

I got ya, and I agree with you about what you agree with me about...lol, Jesus did fulfill Daniel 9:27 and got rid of the sacrifices, and disagree with you about what you disagree with me about lol, The anti christ has not yet reared his head as of yet.