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Again, I refuse to do the homework for the Atheists. I'm probably going to make that my signature pretty soon.

My dear sir, I had done my homework. I had seen the site you mentioned before you posted the link. The quotes do not support your claim.


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I know you didn't ask it of me, and I can't spare my shirt, but I do have a blanket you can have. It will keep you warmer than a shirt.

Can't help with the money at the moment - funds are tight for me too. But I'll keep you in mind if I hit the lottery.

Thank you. :thumbsup:

So what do you think of Holly Roller's opinions about Jesus' words?

Do you think that Jesus implied that if someone is not your "enemy" you don't need to love them?

Do you think Jesus implied that Luke 6:27 does not apply to Pharisees or atheists?
 
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I think the confusion lies in the obvious. Secularists live by "an eye for an eye." that is, to exact revenge on your enemy. Yeshua then says, no; that you should instead love your enemies.

What will it profit for me to love someone who loves me? Heck, even sinners love other sinners. Also, what would it profit me if I were to demand a loan payment? Even sinners do the same, and expect as much back.
 
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What will it profit for me to love someone who loves me? Heck, even sinners love other sinners. Also, what would it profit me if I were to demand a loan payment? Even sinners do the same, and expect as much back.

Are you saying that you are not a sinner? Are you a morally perfect being?


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Note that Holy Roller does not respond to my last post. He prefers to beat dead horses and accuse atheists of things he must think himself, since there is no evidence that atheists think such things or hold such views.

He seems to live inside his own private universe -- one which revolves around him.


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Are you saying that you are not a sinner? Are you a morally perfect being?


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Explaining scripture to an Atheist is kind of like...

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Note that Holy Roller does not respond to my last post. He prefers to beat dead horses and accuse atheists of things he must think himself, since there is no evidence that atheists think such things or hold such views.

Post #44 was a statement, not a question.
 
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Nice generalizations Holy Roller. That's all your arguments are in fact, generalizations, and talking like you have every atheist figured out. You equate all atheists with being hateful, spiteful, selfish beings who worship Darwin/Dawkins as some type of deity, who live to troll on religion and commit unholy atrocities cause they can. That's so mature of you Mr. Roller, glad to see people like you posting, it makes posting fun and amusing.

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I think the confusion lies in the obvious. Secularists live by "an eye for an eye."

It is obvious that you are confused. Which secularist writter wrote "an eye for an eye"?

If you have the ability to answer this question. I'm not expecting much.

Yeshua then says, no; that you should instead love your enemies.

Why are you so horrible at following Yeshua's commands to you? You think you are special don't you? You think you are above the commands of your lord?

What will it profit for me to love someone who loves me? Heck, even sinners love other sinners. Also, what would it profit me if I were to demand a loan payment? Even sinners do the same, and expect as much back.

Guess what, Jesus says you are a sinner.
 
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Nice tapdance. Were you intentionally not answering my questions?

Or was this an accident?

Please answer the following questions that you did not answer, if you are able.

Why do Jesus' words not apply to atheists?

Where does Jesus say that it does not apply to atheist or even pharisies?

Since it is clear that you are not god, how do you know what is in an atheist's heart?

Again, I will be the bigger person and let you slap my other cheek as well.

BUMP.

You're going to ignore this won't you HR? I thought so. It's easier for you to spout out your strawman insults, and not so easy to practise what you preach.

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maybe this has been asked before but i'm just curious. why don't you believe in anything?

It all depends on what you mean by believing in anything.

We believe in a few things. Things that are rational and based on common sense.

It can also be turned around on the theists too. There comes a time in our lives when we must stop believing.

Have you ever given that any thought? and why do theists like yourself stress so much importance on believing in something all the time?

It's as though not to believe in something makes a person less complete as a human and not as virtuous as those who believe in the unbelievable and the irrational.

I actually prefer thinking as opposed to just believing in things.
 
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maybe this has been asked before but i'm just curious. why don't you believe in anything?

Well for my fiance, and I'm sure he can come comment if he wants, his atheism has a lot to do with the fact that he was raised atheist. He tried Buddhism, eclectic paganism, and voodoo, but none of those options felt right so he slowly reverted back into atheism. Its not that he doesn't want to believe in anything, I think, but that he can't bring himself to believe in anything. Religion doesn't much make sense to him.
 
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Well for my fiance, and I'm sure he can come comment if he wants, his atheism has a lot to do with the fact that he was raised atheist. He tried Buddhism, eclectic paganism, and voodoo, but none of those options felt right so he slowly reverted back into atheism. Its not that he doesn't want to believe in anything, I think, but that he can't bring himself to believe in anything. Religion doesn't much make sense to him.

I suppose I should speak for myself, as my dear fiancee stated I was raised as an atheist. My father rejected religion of any kind and mocked it quite often, my mother was an agnostic. Although I was allowed to take any path I chose, I didn't until I reached high school. I found faith for a short time, and in the beginning it was fine. Eventually it unsettled me, so many contradictions, my perception of being an independent being among other things made me reject religion. I see faith as mythology, I believe the Christian faith is not unlike all the others that exist not or have ever existed and will eventually fade away for another accepted belief system. I am often told I will turn christian at my death bed, however I would never do that... in fact I've always despised Christianity for reasons unknown to me. I hope this is a suitable answer. It is rather round about.
 
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Thank you. :thumbsup:

You're welcome.

So what do you think of Holly Roller's opinions about Jesus' words?

Personally I think Holy Roller is being a bit short sighted and narrow in his interpretation of scripture.

Do you think that Jesus implied that if someone is not your "enemy" you don't need to love them?

No. Jesus showed love to those who accepted him and those who did not. HR is also a bit narrow in what he terms "enemy". I always took it to mean any who oppose you or your beliefs as well as those who actively work against you. In a way, an atheist is an enemy because he rejects God, but we are to love you guys anyway. Why? Well, if I tell you about the Lord of Love, but use words and actions of hate toward you, are you going to believe me?

Do you think Jesus implied that Luke 6:27 does not apply to Pharisees or atheists?

No I don't. The NIV uses the words "those who" which to me says anyone you encounter who behaves in this manner. If atheists fit the profile given then the verse applies to them.

Sorry Rasta - you'll just have to put up with being loved in spite of your lack of faith. :hug:
 
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Personally I think Holy Roller is being a bit short sighted and narrow in his interpretation of scripture.
There's no alternate or different "interpretations" of scripture, CelticFlower. Where there's ambiguity there's interpretation, sure, but the scripture in Luke is not at all ambiguous (ambiguous means difficult to interpret). In fact, Yeshua lays down quite clearly who our enemy is. He does not tell us who our enemies aren't, although after Luke 6:30 we get an idea.


No. Jesus showed love to those who accepted him and those who did not. HR is also a bit narrow in what he terms "enemy". I always took it to mean any who oppose you or your beliefs as well as those who actively work against you. In a way, an atheist is an enemy because he rejects God, but we are to love you guys anyway. Why? Well, if I tell you about the Lord of Love, but use words and actions of hate toward you, are you going to believe me?
I disagree. I doubt it was love when Yeshua was driving the profiteers out of the Temple of G-d with the whip he made. And I doubt it was love when Yeshua said of the scheming Pharisee, "If your righteousness does not exceed that of the Pharisees, you will by no means enter the Kingdom of Heaven."

If Yeshua is love, and if it was definitely not love that drove the profiteers out of the temple, then what exactly was Yeshua showing? I believe it's clear that Yeshua was showing us that fundamental flaw of the human condition; that flaw that represents the scheming, diabolical mind of man, completely and utterly devoid of G-d's Spirit. He was showing to us that these profiteers at the temple gate and Pharisees had no Spirit in them, despite their superficialities to the contrary.
There are some Atheists here that are like that (and some that aren't), but almost all Atheists at the major Atheist message boards fit this bill to a tee.
 
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There are some Atheists here that are like that (and some that aren't), but almost all Atheists at the major Atheist message boards fit this bill to a tee.

Are you judging atheism based on a couple militant atheist/anti-theists that are members of the Dawkins cult (refering to the Dawkins message board reference). You realize that is not even .000000001 percent of the atheist population you're dealing with. On average I'd say only 5 percent of atheists are militant obnoxious religion bashers, 75% of that being emotional teenagers (which was the phase I went through when I was 12, which is of course gone)

Just because men like Dawkins and Harris write books doesn't crown them the kings of atheism. Its men like Sagan that truly inspire me and any non-theist I know. They (Sagan and others like him) are truly extraordinary. If I judged christians based on some of the fundie nuts I've met on message board I could be much more harder on the religious folks such as yourself. I though try my best to be as respectful and mature as I can be, and I take the good with the bad like with all religions. Regardless of the belief their are nuts, according to your beliefs I may be a miseld godless heathen but at least I show respect and professionally argue without using brash generalization and shooting off my mouth.
 
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