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My thoughts on Sarah Palin? Well...

-She's anti-abortion. She is not pro-life. Why? She doesn't support universal health care. Perhaps she doesn't realize that comprehensive life insurance in the USA is often too expensive even for middle-income families
-Her biggest political accomplishment appears to be flip-flopping on the Bridge to Nowhere
-She claims to be pro-education, but is against comprehensive sex-ed while claiming to be for teaching children morals, ethics, and values in schools, and for getting back to the three r's, while supporting unscientific teachings in science class. Well, which is it?
-She appears to be willfully ignorant of the enviroment, ignoring scientific studies (at least according to her views on polar bears, hunting, fishing, forestry, oil drilling)

Maybe more information will come out that shows her in a different light.
 
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She's a book-banner. She tried to have certain books banned from her local library. She fires people who disagree with her. She tried to get an ex-brother-in-law fired because she didn't like him. She may have indulged in a little government corruption - there is an investigation on-going, I believe. She's extremely pro-oil company, which is a bit understandable considering where she lives, but is worrisome. She belongs to a Christian sect (Assemblies of God) which reportedly believes we are in the end times, and almost certainly expects her to obey her husband's orders. She's an abstinence only promoter. She tried to keep gay people from getting same sex benefits. She will most certainly not try to keep church and state separate.

That's just what's come out in a few days. Her teenage daughter's pregnancy is pretty nearly irrelevant in the light of the above, except for the irony factor.

My 73 year old devout Anglican Christian neighbour (keeps a small chapel in her home) even thinks she's scary. But then, we're Canadians, and not used to quite so much extremism in religion.

Best of luck, neighbours.
 
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She actually asked “what does the vice president do?”
She admits she doesn’t know much about Iraq
McCain talks at length about his judgment and how inexperienced and younger Obama is, so he nominates someone younger and with less experience.
Does he think she is an analog for Hillary just because she wears a bra? I can’t wait for Obama to look at her and say “I know Senator Clinton, I work with Senator Clinton, Senator Clinton is a friend of mine…Governor, you are no Senator Clinton.


Let’s face it…she’s Dan Quayle

So? What does the VP do? Who wants to be Hillary Clinton? Some people are right up front with any "ignorance" they may possess. Other's are good at hidding what they may lack, because it makes them feel superior. I'd rather deal with the honest sort.
 
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She's a book-banner. She tried to have certain books banned from her local library. She fires people who disagree with her. She tried to get an ex-brother-in-law fired because she didn't like him. She may have indulged in a little government corruption - there is an investigation on-going, I believe. She's extremely pro-oil company, which is a bit understandable considering where she lives, but is worrisome. She belongs to a Christian sect (Assemblies of God) which reportedly believes we are in the end times, and almost certainly expects her to obey her husband's orders. She's an abstinence only promoter. She tried to keep gay people from getting same sex benefits. She will most certainly not try to keep church and state separate.

That's just what's come out in a few days. Her teenage daughter's pregnancy is pretty nearly irrelevant in the light of the above, except for the irony factor.

My 73 year old devout Anglican Christian neighbour (keeps a small chapel in her home) even thinks she's scary. But then, we're Canadians, and not used to quite so much extremism in religion.

Best of luck, neighbours.

Come on. If you wanted Creation books banned from any exposure in public schools, then you are a book banner also ------- could you deny that? Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, and Moonies think I'm scary ---- that means exactly what? PS > Anglican's tend to be "moderest" even though they hide behind gothic doors...
 
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Come on. If you wanted Creation books banned from any exposure in public schools, then you are a book banner also ------- could you deny that? Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, and Moonies think I'm scary ---- that means exactly what? PS > Anglican's tend to be "moderest" even though they hide behind gothic doors...

Maybe it's just me, but I don't want books about Creationism banned from schools (or anywhere else). I don't want any books banned, but that's a rant for another day.

The kids, along with everyone else, should have any books they want available to them, so that they can look at all sides and make an informed decision about what they believe and why they believe it, regardless of what that belief happens to be.
 
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Anyone who would serously consider banning books from a public library isn't fit to be vp of the PTA much less the country.

I need more details on this though. Such as what brought this on, what books was she talking about (I'm curious) and why exactly she wanted to know how to ban something. It's possible it was more an exercise in academics than an actual course of action. Although if that were the case then internet research would have been more effective and less damaging to her.
 
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I'm not for her.

I'm sorry I don't mean to be offensive but I don't trust absoloutist with power.

I believe strongly in a separation of church and state- I feel she is liable to break this.
Christian theology is ultarian- this is a potential liability if she chooses to put her god into politics.
Anti abortion- does she mean to ban it? If yes, I'm against her.
Pro-oil- I'm afraid that's not the way the economic cilimate is looking to turn.
Belief in a 2nd coming of christ- this is a downright dangerous belief to have for someone in power.
 
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I'm not for her.

I'm sorry I don't mean to be offensive but I don't trust absoloutist with power.

I believe strongly in a separation of church and state- I feel she is liable to break this.
Christian theology is ultarian- this is a potential liability if she chooses to put her god into politics.
Anti abortion- does she mean to ban it? If yes, I'm against her.
Pro-oil- I'm afraid that's not the way the economic cilimate is looking to turn.
Belief in a 2nd coming of christ- this is a downright dangerous belief to have for someone in power.

You must not be a Christian ---- how do I know this? Are you looking to have an abortion in your future or do you just want to pay for others to have one?
 
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Come on. If you wanted Creation books banned from any exposure in public schools, then you are a book banner also ------- could you deny that? Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, and Moonies think I'm scary ---- that means exactly what? PS > Anglican's tend to be "moderest" even though they hide behind gothic doors...

First, there is a big difference between a school room where children are taught from specific textbooks by an authority figure, and a library (including a library in a school), where children and/or adults can go and choose to read whatever they like.

I would not ban creationist books, ID books, Bibles, Korans, Aleister Crowley's maunderings, or Harlequin romances (which I detest far more than any of the preceding tomes) from any library. The whole point is for people to be free to choose for themselves. The reason why creationism or any other Biblical story cannot be taught in a public school is the reason you know very well: it is religion, and if you let one religion into a teaching environment, you'll have to include them all, and I'd bet a lot that you don't want this:

http://www.ucalgary.ca/applied_history/tutor/firstnations/world.html

along with all the other creation stories taught as reality in your children's classrooms. I'd guess, like me, you'd be fine with keeping them in the school or public library. Can you see the difference?

Scary? Nipper, go read Rapture Ready for a while. There are some nice people over there, although quite a few of them seem a little depressed. They have similar beliefs to Sarah Palin's church. Jesus is coming to get them...now!... Or...wait for it...Now!... well, really, really soon. One fella over there didn't see much point in getting firewood in for the winter, since the Rapture would likely come along before the cold set in... he admitted the wife and kids were a little worried about it, but no one on the site disagreed with him. It isn't the Christianity that's scary, it's the idea of your country being run by someone who doesn't think there will be a future for country. You okay with that?

As for Anglicans. The local Anglican church is about 180 years old, and in a pinch you could squeeze a hundred people in there. Congregation numbers about fourteen on a good Sunday. Doors are plain wood doors. Not every Anglican is a High Anglican.
 
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ooops: forgot. The book-banning story, from here:

http://www.librarian.net/stax/2366/sarah-palin-vp-nominee/

[Former Wasilla mayor] Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." The librarian, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn’t be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire her for not giving "full support" to the mayor.
 
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First, there is a big difference between a school room where children are taught from specific textbooks by an authority figure, and a library (including a library in a school), where children and/or adults can go and choose to read whatever they like.

I would not ban creationist books, ID books, Bibles, Korans, Aleister Crowley's maunderings, or Harlequin romances (which I detest far more than any of the preceding tomes) from any library. The whole point is for people to be free to choose for themselves. The reason why creationism or any other Biblical story cannot be taught in a public school is the reason you know very well: it is religion, and if you let one religion into a teaching environment, you'll have to include them all, and I'd bet a lot that you don't want this:

http://www.ucalgary.ca/applied_history/tutor/firstnations/world.html

along with all the other creation stories taught as reality in your children's classrooms. I'd guess, like me, you'd be fine with keeping them in the school or public library. Can you see the difference?

Scary? Nipper, go read Rapture Ready for a while. There are some nice people over there, although quite a few of them seem a little depressed. They have similar beliefs to Sarah Palin's church. Jesus is coming to get them...now!... Or...wait for it...Now!... well, really, really soon. One fella over there didn't see much point in getting firewood in for the winter, since the Rapture would likely come along before the cold set in... he admitted the wife and kids were a little worried about it, but no one on the site disagreed with him. It isn't the Christianity that's scary, it's the idea of your country being run by someone who doesn't think there will be a future for country. You okay with that?

As for Anglicans. The local Anglican church is about 180 years old, and in a pinch you could squeeze a hundred people in there. Congregation numbers about fourteen on a good Sunday. Doors are plain wood doors. Not every Anglican is a High Anglican.

Why should evolution (survival of the fittest) and Homsexual partnership (sexual perversion) be promoted in the very same institutions, by the very same "authority" figures, you do not wish mentioning Christ or Christian considerations? Without GOD or CHRIST there is only the grave. Christians do look forward to a wonderful joyous future, they are likely saddened that so many would rather eat, drink, and make merry here without any thought of their eternity. There is no USA in heaven.
 
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Why should evolution (survival of the fittest) and Homsexual partnership (sexual perversion) be promoted in the very same institutions, by the very same "authority" figures, you do not wish mentioning Christ or Christian considerations? Without GOD or CHRIST there is only the grave. Christians do look forward to a wonderful joyous future, they are likely saddened that so many would rather eat, drink, and make merry here without any thought of their eternity. There is no USA in heaven.

You understood my post perfectly well, but you prefer to ignore the reality of what would happen if you let religion into the classroom, and instead pretend that Christians are persecuted, and that thinking you can lay waste to the environment and to your own country because Jesus is coming next week to rapture you to heaven is a substitute for facing the resonsibilities of stewardship.

I guarantee you, if creationism as defined by Christianity is allowed into your classrooms, these creation stories will also be taught as equally true as yours. Like this one:

Long ago a great catastrophe caused the world's supporting pillars to collapse and destroy the earth. Two men emerged full-grown from hummocks of earth. They married each other, and one became heavy with child. The other man sang a magic song, which caused the pregnant man's penis to divide, he then became a woman and gave birth to a girl child. The mother and father giants cared for the child who grew large and fiercely loved meat. One night she bit into her parents limbs while they slept. They awoke in horror as she tried to bite them again. They took her in a umiak far out into the deepest sea, where they pushed her into the water. She clung to the side of the boat, so they cut off her fingers. The fingers became whales, seals, and shoals of fish. The giant parents were afraid of their child and they rowed away into the night. The giant girl became the demon girl Sedna, the Great Mother of sea creatures. She causes storms and governs the migrations of her sea creature children.

and this:

A group of beings similar to humans lived in longhouses in the sky. They lived in harmony and in the centre of their village stood a celestial tree blossoming with the light of peace and knowledge. One day a curious woman had her husband uproot the tree. She fell through the hole down to the world below. A Canada goose saw the woman falling, took pity on her and flew down to rescue her. He placed her on the back of a turtle and the Great Turtle Island (North America) came into existence.

 
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You understood my post perfectly well, but you prefer to ignore the reality of what would happen if you let religion into the classroom, and instead pretend that Christians are persecuted, and that thinking you can lay waste to the environment and to your own country because Jesus is coming next week to rapture you to heaven is a substitute for facing the resonsibilities of stewardship.

I guarantee you, if creationism as defined by Christianity is allowed into your classrooms, these creation stories will also be taught as equally true as yours. Like this one:

Long ago a great catastrophe caused the world's supporting pillars to collapse and destroy the earth. Two men emerged full-grown from hummocks of earth. They married each other, and one became heavy with child. The other man sang a magic song, which caused the pregnant man's penis to divide, he then became a woman and gave birth to a girl child. The mother and father giants cared for the child who grew large and fiercely loved meat. One night she bit into her parents limbs while they slept. They awoke in horror as she tried to bite them again. They took her in a umiak far out into the deepest sea, where they pushed her into the water. She clung to the side of the boat, so they cut off her fingers. The fingers became whales, seals, and shoals of fish. The giant parents were afraid of their child and they rowed away into the night. The giant girl became the demon girl Sedna, the Great Mother of sea creatures. She causes storms and governs the migrations of her sea creature children.

and this:

A group of beings similar to humans lived in longhouses in the sky. They lived in harmony and in the centre of their village stood a celestial tree blossoming with the light of peace and knowledge. One day a curious woman had her husband uproot the tree. She fell through the hole down to the world below. A Canada goose saw the woman falling, took pity on her and flew down to rescue her. He placed her on the back of a turtle and the Great Turtle Island (North America) came into existence.

We have let A RELIGION have full sway in public institutions without any real adversity. It is called Secular Humanism. It is pervasive and it has indeed undermind free thought and spiritual enlightenment in public education. This is why kids today can be suckered into cults, shoot their fellow students/teachers, can't read, have little understanding of how to express themselves without vulgarities, and have little understanding of world history. The glue that held everything together has been thrown away. I believe the environment begins with how well people treat their own bodies. The pervasive misapplication of sex, the abundancy of wasted tatoos/body piercing, and the extreme flaunting of abortion as some right; is secular humanistic hedonism that is throwing darts at the Creator and HIS creation. It has nothing to do with Christian virture. It has everything to do with trying to fix everything at the whim of "divine" human efforts devoid of GOD's blessings. The silly tales you have expressed pale when compared to the Genesis Creation epic; however, they are not far removed from evolutionary beliefs.
 
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Come on. If you wanted Creation books banned from any exposure in public schools, then you are a book banner also ------- could you deny that? Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, and Moonies think I'm scary ---- that means exactly what? PS > Anglican's tend to be "moderest" even though they hide behind gothic doors...

Nobody liberal I know wants any books banned especially librarians. There's a difference between acceptable teaching curriculum and the books that line the library shelves.
 
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We have let A RELIGION have full sway in public institutions without any real adversity. It is called Secular Humanism. It is pervasive and it has indeed undermind free thought and spiritual enlightenment in public education. This is why kids today can be suckered into cults, shoot their fellow students/teachers, can't read, have little understanding of how to express themselves without vulgarities, and have little understanding of world history. The glue that held everything together has been thrown away. I believe the environment begins with how well people treat their own bodies. The pervasive misapplication of sex, the abundancy of wasted tatoos/body piercing, and the extreme flaunting of abortion as some right; is secular humanistic hedonism that is throwing darts at the Creator and HIS creation. It has nothing to do with Christian virture. It has everything to do with trying to fix everything at the whim of "divine" human efforts devoid of GOD's blessings. The silly tales you have expressed pale when compared to the Genesis Creation epic; however, they are not far removed from evolutionary beliefs.

Those 'silly tales' are as much a religious belief as Genesis. I dare you to go stand in front of a spiritually convinced First Nations' person and say to their face that their beliefs are 'silly tales', but your belief is 'true'. Mind, they'll have heard that from white men before. Given Creationism gets taught in your schools: by what right will you insist only the Christian version gets told?

All the 'modern evils' you mention, some of which are harmless body decorations and a sensuality you don't approve of, have nothing to do with 'secular humanism'. There are many countries with far less Christian religiousity than yours where violence is far less and education is much more successful. The flaws in your society cannot be blamed on lack of religion, or on some demon you've invented that grows from atheism or evolution, but are more likely down to the mean-spiritedness of your predominant 'bootstrap' loving culture, where the idea of giving someone government medical care is considered 'bad', and when someone mentions 'social safety net', you immediately think 'welfare queen'.

Your public schools have been progressively dumbed down since before the 1950s, through lack of spending on education, refusal to even teach American children anything but a flowery fiction about world history that places America as the hero no matter what really happened, a failure to teach geography at all, and more recently pandering to and funding separate schools for religious groups and a vast assembly of frequently under-qualified home-schooling parents.

I can tell you for a fact, because I attended both, that your big-city, well-appointed, newly-built elementary schools in the 1950s were already teaching less material in a year than a one-room school in rural Canada, and were already a year behind. I'll be amazed to hear how you blame that on modern secular humanism.

Your country is the most overtly, religiously, Christian on the planet. No other First World country has leaders who spend as much time courting the favour of Christian groups and leaders. And no other First World country is as violent, or as unwilling to assist its citizens when they need help.

Secular humanism might actually be the literal, physical salvation of your country, because some of its principles include the notion of helping other people with targeted assistance in education, healthcare, etc., as opposed to pretending that Christian charity will take care of everything, when it has so obviously failed so many.

And, my apologies to those well-educated and globally aware Americans who may feel insulted by this rant, which is addressing generalities, not specifics. I admire you all, the moreso because I know you had to be very pro-active (or lucky) in seeking after knowledge and education.
 
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Those 'silly tales' are as much a religious belief as Genesis. I dare you to go stand in front of a spiritually convinced First Nations' person and say to their face that their beliefs are 'silly tales', but your belief is 'true'. Mind, they'll have heard that from white men before. Given Creationism gets taught in your schools: by what right will you insist only the Christian version gets told?

All the 'modern evils' you mention, some of which are harmless body decorations and a sensuality you don't approve of, have nothing to do with 'secular humanism'. There are many countries with far less Christian religiousity than yours where violence is far less and education is much more successful. The flaws in your society cannot be blamed on lack of religion, or on some demon you've invented that grows from atheism or evolution, but are more likely down to the mean-spiritedness of your predominant 'bootstrap' loving culture, where the idea of giving someone government medical care is considered 'bad', and when someone mentions 'social safety net', you immediately think 'welfare queen'.

Your public schools have been progressively dumbed down since before the 1950s, through lack of spending on education, refusal to even teach American children anything but a flowery fiction about world history that places America as the hero no matter what really happened, a failure to teach geography at all, and more recently pandering to and funding separate schools for religious groups and a vast assembly of frequently under-qualified home-schooling parents.

I can tell you for a fact, because I attended both, that your big-city, well-appointed, newly-built elementary schools in the 1950s were already teaching less material in a year than a one-room school in rural Canada, and were already a year behind. I'll be amazed to hear how you blame that on modern secular humanism.

Your country is the most overtly, religiously, Christian on the planet. No other First World country has leaders who spend as much time courting the favour of Christian groups and leaders. And no other First World country is as violent, or as unwilling to assist its citizens when they need help.

Secular humanism might actually be the literal, physical salvation of your country, because some of its principles include the notion of helping other people with targeted assistance in education, healthcare, etc., as opposed to pretending that Christian charity will take care of everything, when it has so obviously failed so many.

And, my apologies to those well-educated and globally aware Americans who may feel insulted by this rant, which is addressing generalities, not specifics. I admire you all, the moreso because I know you had to be very pro-active (or lucky) in seeking after knowledge and education.

Those silly tales have no bases in history, nor do they establish a plan or reason for a need of salvation. Indeed they do not even bring hope of salvation to sinners. Thoughtful people might just realize that when they have an opportunity to compare. Those that wish to live in darkness only have to silence truth and place replace that with excuses. Globally aware --- in what way exactly? Christians are aware biblically of the "United States of EUROPE" and one world government. It's Ezekiel, Daniel and Revelations for starters...
 
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ooops: forgot. The book-banning story, from here:

http://www.librarian.net/stax/2366/sarah-palin-vp-nominee/

[Former Wasilla mayor] Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." The librarian, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn’t be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire her for not giving "full support" to the mayor.
When I was a kid a local group of religious right fanatics tried to get the dictionary banned from the school because it contained “cuss words”

i guess the fanatics moved to Alaska to go about their book banning
 
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Those silly tales have no bases in history, nor do they establish a plan or reason for a need of salvation. Indeed they do not even bring hope of salvation to sinners. Thoughtful people might just realize that when they have an opportunity to compare. Those that wish to live in darkness only have to silence truth and place replace that with excuses. Globally aware --- in what way exactly? Christians are aware biblically of the "United States of EUROPE" and one world government. It's Ezekiel, Daniel and Revelations for starters...

You have illustrated all my points in one post.
 
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