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Uh huh. Without Paul, most of Christian theology would have to be totally redone.I can only hope so, Paul is central to the NT as a powerful witness for Christ and his love and care for the saints is immeasurable.
Quite funny because in the staff areas, we got into a discussion and one member said that he had heard about me. Said I had a reputation as being a staunch "Fundamentalsit."
Evidently, I'm pretty well known.
Forewarned is to be forearmed.
God Bless
Till all are one.
*was drinking coffee and spews it at the computer*
Me?! A fundie?! How dare you? JK!!!!
Sadly, I am not a fundementalist by the terms listed,because if you look back at history,fundementalists and Catholics have been at each other's necks for centuries( at least, that is the stereotype).To be a Catholic and a fundie would be an insult to both Catholocism AND Fundementalism. So for the most part, I'm afraid to say I am not a fundie, because,as is my nature, I can never be a proper fundie. Even to call myself a fundie would stir up feelings of remorse( to the pain I caused to my maternal pro-Catholic family) betrayal(to the Catholic Church) and a sense of deceit( to Fundementalism in itself).Heck, I'm not even a proper Catholic, and I am sorry to say I may be a bit more liberal than can be imagined. Or,to be put another way: Fundementalism,as is stated, follows Sola Scriptura,or the Bible alone, and regulates some of the things they do to what is said in the Bible,whereas I have my own way of interpreting the Bible and it's many meanings and in fact follow a Buddhist way of thinking,therefor making me a Buddho-Catholic(a rare hybrid indeed!),hence my not even being a proper Christian.So you see,for me to be a fundementalist would be of itself a sin and a lie, so I can never be.
P.S. I am sorry if this comment seems a bit more of a ramble,or if you find it offensive in any way,sadly that is how I tend to be.But in my defense, I am nearing the line that defines solipsism and legal insanity.
Are you referring to Ellen G. White? Do you consider her to be a true prophet?I am a Seventh-day Advenist. (I know. Some are already rolling their eyes.) For the most part the Fundamentalist Manifensto as given I have little quibble with. As may I gather to be true of other brands of Christianity, my church has a broad range of approaches to application of faith. I find myself firmly in the conservative, fundamental wing. The church even made an official statement of acceptance of the NIV! I object. I find virtually all modern translations/paraphrases based on (Greek/Latan) text approved by the agent of the Dark Ages. While not a "KJV only" character I do insist on Received Text or equivelant basis. As a Protestant it is meaningful to me to use a Bible that has the credential of fueling the Reformation (Tyndale, Geneva , KJV for English resources).
There is an aspect of fundamentalism that most of Christianity misses. God wrote the 10 Commandments in stone - twice. The implication of something being written in stone means it is fixed, solid, will not change. Now, I am not a legalist either. While I am not saved BY keeping the law, cannot be saved while in defiance of it (Eccl 12:13,14; Rev 22:14). I come into conformity to it as I become a new creature in Christ. That is why I honor the Sabbath of Jesus (who wrote the Law) and the apostles as well as the other commandments. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28). On this point I take the position the SDA Church, Seventh-day Baptists, among other small associations have advanced the Reformation in recovery of another point largely lost in the Falling Away.
Now for where I take exception with the Manifesto. I hope this next item doesn't raise a lot of fire. As I understand the idea of "verbal inspiration" I take exception. I do believe all of Scripture is inspired of God - "inspired" of God. The only part HE wrote was the Ten Commandments. There are portions of the writing where His spokesperson acted as stenographer and took dicatation. The text often contains clear evidence of such dictation. But mostly the writers were under inspiration to write what they wrote - not word by work but the thought. Often the writing was a record of historical or biographical events. Some writers were shown things in vision and struggled to describe what they saw. In a sense these people were translators of God's thoughts to human language. That is one reason we compare Scripture with Scripture - to line-by-line build, shape, correct the concepts He is trying to convey to us. Even our study is under inspiration as the Holy Spirit illuminates our understanding. If we take the idea of verbal inspiration (that the Bible was word-by-word verbally delivered) to the bitter end, then we MUST ALL be flawlessly fluent in the ORIGINAL languages to have a chance of understanding it aright. I hold that God also inspires God fearing translators to find the most faithful way to convey His desires to the receiving language.
Another way I may differ with the Manifesto is in "Sola Scriptura." I am a technician in an area of electro-mechanical devices. Much of the instrumention I use is regularly calibrated with "NIST traceable standards." Those standards provide the global definition of standard measure - what is a meter, second, a kilogram. Then I use those "calibrated" instruments. The Scriptures are THE standard against which ALL teaching is compared. There we find the definition of our origin, our purpose, our fall, our redemption in and through Jesus the incarnate person of God, and the hope of our restoration. All the "tools" used in the implimentation of salvation are calibrated by the Bible.
Very little of the application of technology is traceable to Scripture. But the study of nature is a valid facit of the study of Divine nature. It brings great joy and wonder and draws the God fearing person to praise Him. The Genesis record of Creation (and supportive passages) is a great informer of the origins and purpose of the world of nature in which we find ourselves. So such teachings as find root or bias in evolutionary ideology, for instance, are set aside or challenged.
God speaks through the experience and learning of other people. But I better be sufficiently knowledgeable of Scripture both to understand and appreciate what they are saying and to filter, correct, or discard their expression.
In addition, I don't believe God was ever muzzled (except by those who refuse to hear). If He chooses to commission another spokesperson (prophet) He is free to do so. I find that gift is right in there with teachers and pastors. Rather than say that gift was closed, He gave us tools by which to test those who claim to speak for Him. It is recorded in Amos 3:7, "Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets." Could it be, that as close as we are to the grand event of the Second Coming He might commission such spokespersons to aid in preparation for it?
Fundy here, still trying to decide if I'm more a presbie than a reformed baptist. The credo and pedo baptism debate is driving me loco. Not to mention I lost respect for most mainstreem dispies therefore by default I want to be covenental. LAME.
Thank you for stopping by to comment. (I am finding many of the responses to this thread very interesting!).
I would like to clarify for you that being a fundamentalist is not sinful or a lie. But of course to claim to be a fundamentalist whilst you are not would be a lie. So I appreciate your honesty. But I would like to ask that you do your best to remain respectful while you are posting in our forum. Some of your comments come across as insults, whether you intended it or not. If your primary goal is to insult us, I would like to direct you to the WWMC forum, where their FSG's are more lax about these things. Cheers.
no problem hereReally? I had no idea! My goal isn't to insult anyone, since that would go against my beliefs, so you have my apologizes. And I'm sorry if I to you that fundementalism was sinful, I was stating that if I became a fundementalist, I would be lying to myelf and it would a sin to my beliefs, but I apologize for the way I sounded and worded out my comments.
No problem at all! This is why I was looking for clarification.Really? I had no idea! My goal isn't to insult anyone, since that would go against my beliefs, so you have my apologizes. And I'm sorry if I to you that fundementalism was sinful, I was stating that if I became a fundementalist, I would be lying to myelf and it would a sin to my beliefs, but I apologize for the way I sounded and worded out my comments.
Aye, and I don't see those in the FSGs... or did I miss something?I've come to realize that the only areas that I'm really not a fundy (as the term is basically recognized) are in Christian liberties....
My apologies for sounding so stupid, but what is the generally recognized definition of the term these days?I've come to realize that the only areas that I'm really not a fundy (as the term is basically recognized) are in Christian liberties....
you don't sound stupid! *hands on hips*My apologies for sounding so stupid, but what is the generally recognized definition of the term these days?
If that's all that keeps you from being a fundamentalist, I guess you can be one... because none of that stuff is in their FSGs.you don't sound stupid! *hands on hips*
My meaning is basically what is not directly spelled out as sin in scripture.
Things like wearing pants (some clothing), wearing makeup, plastic surgery, drinking alcohol socially without drunkennes, secular music, gambling, playing cards, shopping on Sundays, smoking, Rated pg-13/R movies, and things like that.
There are more, I just can't think of them.
If that's all that keeps you from being a fundamentalist, I guess you can be one... because none of that stuff is in their FSGs.
Aw, thanks!you don't sound stupid! *hands on hips*
Ah, well I'm with you there. Though I respect those who do take a stronger stand on these issues too.My meaning is basically what is not directly spelled out as sin in scripture.
Things like wearing pants (some clothing), wearing makeup, plastic surgery, drinking alcohol socially without drunkennes, secular music, gambling, playing cards, shopping on Sundays, smoking, Rated pg-13/R movies, and things like that.
There are more, I just can't think of them.
You can in Seattle anyway. I'm not sure I'd be AG anywhere else. I think it was this particular congregation God led me to, not the denomination.Definitely can't be AG, though. Oh, wait...![]()