Are you a fundie?

[desmalia]

I don't agree that Esther should be in the canon. I don't believe most of the pauline epistles should be in the canon. I do believe Enoch should be in the canon, since it is quoted directly in Jude.

Why not Esther or Paul's epistles?

 

[ElijahFalling]

Why not Esther or Paul's epistles?

Esther is a secular writing. Why on earth did the 4th century church vote to include it in the canon?

Paul contradicted Christ on too many points, mixed up his converstion story each time he explained it, and I don't believe someone who never met Jesus should have the most works included in the canon when Jesus' very disciples got hardly any included.

Don't get me wrong, I believe Paul was a good person, but I don't see why his theological beliefs should be taken any differently from those of any other Christian writer or minister. You don't take everything your pastor or favorite Christian author as absolute infallible fact, do you?

That said, if you want to debate the canon, we should probably do so in a different thread so as not to derail this one.

 

[Nadiine]

 

[desmalia]

Esther is a secular writing. Why on earth did the 4th century church vote to include it in the canon?

Paul contradicted Christ on too many points, mixed up his converstion story each time he explained it, and I don't believe someone who never met Jesus should have the most works included in the canon when Jesus' very disciples got hardly any included.

Don't get me wrong, I believe Paul was a good person, but I don't see why his theological beliefs should be taken any differently from those of any other Christian writer or minister. You don't take everything your pastor or favorite Christian author as absolute infallible fact, do you?

That said, if you want to debate the canon, we should probably do so in a different thread so as not to derail this one.

OK, well first, for the sake of the Fundamentalist forum, I will say that you do not fit the definition, but of course that does not mean we can't discuss things.

I appreciate that you do not want to derail the thread, and I do think this is a good topic to bring up in the debate section, if you're game. It's a subject we haven't really hashed out in a while around here, so that would be good to discuss. Would you like to start the thread, or shall I?

 

[forward_observer]

Hello all,

It occurs to me that there are quite a few new posters in this subforum as of late. So, I would like to ask this question. Keep your answer as simple or detailed as you like. I'd just really like to know more about all of our new friends.

So, are you a Fundamentalist?

(and for those of you who don't know me yet, yes, I am ).

EDIT:
Here is the definition of a fundamentalist I am referring to, just to avoid confusion:


Statement of Faith:

We adopt the Definition by the World Congress of Fundamentalists in 1976, to wit:


A born-again believer in the Lord Jesus Christ who

1. Maintains an immovable allegiance to the inerrant, infallible, and verbally Inspired Bible;
   
   
2. Believes whatever the Bible says is so;
   
   
3. Judges all things by the Bible, and is judged only by the Bible, aka - "Sola Scriptura";
   
   
4. Affirms the foundational truths of the historic Christian Faith:
   • The doctrine of the Trinity
   • The incarnation, virgin birth, substitutionary atonement, bodily resurrection, ascension into Heaven, and Second Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ
   • The new birth through regeneration of the Holy Spirit
   • The resurrection of saints to life eternal
   • The resurrection of the ungodly to final judgment and eternal death
   • The fellowship of the saints, who are the body of Christ;
     
     
5. Practices fidelity to that faith, and endeavors to preach it to every creature;
   
   
6. Exposes and separates from all ecclesiastical denial of that Faith, compromise with error, and apostasy from the Truth; and
   
   
7. Earnestly contends for the Faith once delivered.

Therefore, Fundamentalism is a militant orthodoxy with a soulwinning zeal. While Fundamentalists may differ on certain interpretations of Scripture, we join in unity of heart and common purpose for the defense of the Faith and the preaching of the Gospel, without compromise or division.

Thus a Fundamentalist can be from quite a few Protestant denominations, even nondenominational. Those that defer to a view that sacred tradition is equal to scripture (not sola scriptura) would not.

You could also call it sticking to the truth. Why muck it up with a bunch of doctrine?

 

[ElijahFalling]

OK, well first, for the sake of the Fundamentalist forum, I will say that you do not fit the definition, but of course that does not mean we can't discuss things.

I appreciate that you do not want to derail the thread, and I do think this is a good topic to bring up in the debate section, if you're game. It's a subject we haven't really hashed out in a while around here, so that would be good to discuss. Would you like to start the thread, or shall I?

I'll start it later on and PM you when I do

 

[desmalia]

I'll start it later on and PM you when I do

Sounds good.

 

[desmalia]

You could also call it sticking to the truth. Why muck it up with a bunch of doctrine?

Hm, well the truth could be considered doctrine, dontchya think?

 

[NorrinRadd]

I'll start it later on and PM you when I do

Sounds good.

*Taps foot and drums fingers impatiently*

 

[forward_observer]

Hm, well the truth could be considered doctrine, dontchya think?

My truth is scripture not doctrine. One is inspired/innerant, the other is man made and I don't need a church telling me what to believe about the bible. God always comes through, He is faithful, and worthy to be praised.

 

[Nadiine]

*Taps foot and drums fingers impatiently*

(be afraid, be very afraid) lol

 

[Nadiine]

Hm, well the truth could be considered doctrine, dontchya think?

1 Timothy 4:6
[ A Good Minister's Discipline ] In pointing out these things to the brethren, you will be a good servant of Christ Jesus, constantly nourished on the words of the faith and of the sound doctrine which you have been following.

Titus 1:9
holding fast the faithful word which is in accordance with the teaching, so that he will be able both to exhort in sound doctrine and to refute those who contradict.

Titus 2:10
not pilfering, but showing all good faith so that they will adorn the doctrine of God our Savior in every respect.

 

[Ave Maria]

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[InspectorGadget]

Count me in as a fundie.

 

[Nadiine]

 

[icedtea]

Yes, fundie. Too many try and twist the words of scripture and claim it means what they want it to mean.
God created the earth and mankind, no evolution. And so on.

 

[Nadiine]

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[Nadiine]

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[LovebirdsFlying]

Well, I didn't used to think so, but when I found out that you can believe in the inspiration of the Bible as God's Word, without conking others over the head with it, I can hold open the possibility. I accept every single point of the Fundy statement of faith, even having wrestled (you may recall) with "militant orthodoxy" and "soul-winning zeal." I can call myself a fundy in that I expect myself to act like one. It's compelling others to act in any way they don't want to, that I can't do.

 

[NorrinRadd]

Originally Posted by ElijahFalling

I'll start it later on and PM you when I do
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Sounds good.

Oh yeah -- What became of this? Given up as a futile venture?