Should Christians evangelize gays?

[WarEagle]

Where is your church located? Do you mind if I come by?

Route 213, Georgetown Maryland. Kind of hard to miss us. We're the only building there.

 

[WarEagle]

Jesus commanded us to go and preach the Gospel to the unsaved. He didn't make an exception for homosexuals so, yes, based on that, I believe that we should share the Gospel with them.

My evangelism team has gone to "Pridefest" in Philadelphia and it was a very fruitful experience (no pun intended) and one of the highlights of my evangelism life was getting to share the Gospel with a little girl in Boston who was involved in a lesbian relationship.

It was truly amazing to watch the Holy Spirit at work in her.

 

[cantata]

They are called repentant sinners.

But they're still gay.

Only homosexuals are celebrating their sins. In Christian culture, people are just people. The original civil rights struggle.

They don't believe they are sinning.

Is their sincerity not important?

Look at my quote from Jude. By their fruit you will know them. Celebrating sin and sinning is bad fruit.

... Is sincerity not important?

People sin. People repent. In Christian culture it is not seen as something to celebrate with pride, but to be remorseful for and repent of. Odd, that anyone would call themself a Christian and preach and teach the clebration of sins. But in Christian culture we are to let the weeds grow with the wheat. But, we are not told to ignore the weeds.

Do you think God punishes people for being mistaken?

I acknowledge that gay priests have done what they did because they thought it was right. I'm sure they thought their child partners were also gay.

People who molest children are, generally speaking, not too troubled about the sex of their victims.

I was thinking more about Christians and non-Christians alike who are genuinely worried about young non-heterosexual people, whom they feel could benefit from outreach programmes which help them to accept their sexuality and to feel supported. Do you really think their motives for this are cynical? If so, why? I don't assume that Christians' motives for reaching out to children are cynical and malevolent.

I assert and hold fast to the truth that MANY non-heterosexual motives are evil. I am allowed that as a Christian that reads the New Testament teachings as important lessons. Only lately has that become a hate crime (again).

Non-heterosexual people's motives for what, exactly?

This is where "Duh" takes on the scholarly. GLBT's are just thought of in this way by Christians. Christians that don't alter the Bible for politics.

My point is that non-heterosexual people are not the only people who are proud of something you think is a sin, so there's nothing particularly surprising or different about it.

Condoning and support. You also left off the part that you are a very decent person. As far as I can tell by your posts. I do not mind walking together the long walks that we do. But understand that I have the right to part company when you desire the wider path.

You can do whatever you like. It's your life. I'm simply saying that you have this idea in your head of LGBT culture which doesn't match reality for a lot of - I would even go so far as to say most - queer people. We live lives comparable to heterosexual ones, differing only with regard to the sex of the people we go to bed with.

I just present facts. The truth is not harmful to anyone but a liar.

Surely it is liars, and other sinners, whom you are required to attract. It's all very well telling the truth, but if the purpose of telling - to persuade - is thwarted by your manner of presentation, you are wasting your time (and gambling with people's salvation).

I know well the Gay community. It's spelled "wrath."

Oh, you do, do you? How?

I am only dealing with the gay ones here. They are many and always the same. Take for example the thread on gay theology. All that happened was the crowd gathered 'round and started screaming at me and laying traps. That is typical of that crowd. I know the adversaries of the Christian Community from personal involvment.

It's wise never to label any group of people as identical in some respect. I'm queer and I'm not a Christian, and courtesy is important to me - and I don't think the behaviour of queer non-theists marks them out particularly on CF. Heterosexual Christians, non-heterosexual Christians, and heterosexual non-Christians are all capable of screaming and "laying traps" - and they do it all the time.

Paul knew this behavior all to well. Why is it, I do what I don't want to do, and what I want to do, I don't do."

It's tough deling with your adversaries, when you see them for what they are and what they want to do to you and yours. GLBT's are not the saintly group of monks you and others protray them as.

If you took a cross-section of heterosexual people, and a cross-section of LGBT people, you would probably find more diversity in ethics, political leaning, social behaviour, criminal record, &c. &c. within the two groups (i.e. comparing straight with straight or LGBT with LGBT) than you would between them. There is nothing special about LGBT people.

Can I ask you why you think there would be a difference? What is it about LGBT people that makes them especially badly behaved, in your opinion?

That would be their fault. I just use the word in its proper context. I don't see anyone in any other way than I should. As a Christian it is in or out, or the need to get in or get back in. No labels need to be applied to sins and sinning except repent and be restorred. GLBT's refuse that and in fact demand that Christians shutup or be sued. They are the only sinners that proclaim that other than Muslims and Humanists.

You have a persecution complex. It's quite unbecoming.

Homophobia is yet another neologism designed to force perversions onto and into the populace at karge and the Church specifically. We are not stupid people in any way. We know what is happening to us from the GLBT agenda and its adherants. It is very much a them versus us siutation. Nero was no myth. It is going to get ugly from here on out as GLBT's force Christians to submit to their social authoritative power. There is much malevolence in the GLBT community aimed squarely at Christians. Sodom-like eerily so.

And I have just told you that I don't use the word "homophobia". Did you just see the word and throw a hissy fit? You used it first.

History shows your position is not solid. Especially when you have agroup of people that literally present that not saying no, means an absolute yes. Take gay marriage and the Bible as example. Anyone claiming that there is any promotion of "homosexuality" from the Bible is bearing false witness.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

I think you need to get it into your head that sexuality is an important and deeply emotionally affecting part of people's lives. Whatever you want to persuade LGBT people of, you need to start acting more sensitively towards us.

No. But inter-racial couples wouldn't have sued. They would have found a more accomadating photog. Muslims wouldn't have sued these Christians either (in America).

I hope that they would have sued.

We Christians are going to have to deal with GLBT's the way the first century Church dealt with the same kinds of people then. I am going to be teaching this in Church soon. I am here at CF for research purposes. It is enlightening and reaffirming many things about the GLBT's versus the Church issue. It is very much a reality that Christians have been taught already (from the Gospel and New Testament writings) how to deal with it.

Gay people are not going to attack your children in the night. Calm down and grow up.

 

[cantata]

a very fruitful experience (no pun intended)

That's good, because you didn't make one. o_0

 

[wanderingone]

I hope that they would have sued.

I like how polycarp_fan knows what everyone would do. I will sue in a heartbeat if my husband and I or my children are discriminated against because we are an "interracial" family. I might find someone to provide me the service who isn't a bigot, after all I still want the service I was looking to hire the bigot to provide.. but I'm not going to entertain throwbacks who want to use the market as a means to discriminate.

 

[wanderingone]

No. But inter-racial couples wouldn't have sued. They would have found a more accomadating photog. Muslims wouldn't have sued these Christians either (in America)

How do you know what "interracial" couples or Muslims would have done? Don't speak for me, if my husband and I are denied a service we take action. If I expect my community not to tolerate bigotry then I can't tolerate it either. If I expect my kids to know discrimination is not only immoral it's illegal then I MUST.

 

[uberd00b]

Should Christians evangelise gays?

I think they should, it's very illuminating. I'll even give them a spade to help them dig themselves deeper.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Should Christians evangelise gays?

I think they should, it's very illuminating. I'll even give them a spade to help them dig themselves deeper.

The Big Bad Skeptic no longer causes any concern to Christians. Those days are long gone. The cognitive dissonance seems to be on the other brain these days.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

cantata,

I'll be back a little later to answer your post.

 

[Mling]

The gay community and the Christian community are worlds apart on proper moral behavior, so why should Christians bother with homosexuality and those that engage in it?

Really? I can only speak for myself, not Christianity anymore, but really, it's only been a year or so since I left. Did things change that quickly?

I'm actively looking for jobs where I'd be scrounging minimum wage helping to care for people with disabilities. Christianity now teaches that this is evil?

Christianity now teaches that casual sex is fine and dandy?
That the poor are not worth our attention?
That the flaunting of wealth is appropriate and good?
Christianity is now opposed to supporting local small business and helping out the underdog?

Wow...I mean, I can only really know what *my* moral beliefs are. But if Christianity is worlds away from that, I'm glad I got out.

Thanks for confirming it was the right decision!

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Jesus commanded us to go and preach the Gospel to the unsaved. He didn't make an exception for homosexuals so, yes, based on that, I believe that we should share the Gospel with them.

My evangelism team has gone to "Pridefest" in Philadelphia and it was a very fruitful experience (no pun intended) and one of the highlights of my evangelism life was getting to share the Gospel with a little girl in Boston who was involved in a lesbian relationship.

It was truly amazing to watch the Holy Spirit at work in her.

It's truly refreshing to see a post like yours.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Really? I can only speak for myself, not Christianity anymore, but really, it's only been a year or so since I left. Did things change that quickly?

Hmm, it looks you are going try. Once again.

I'm actively looking for jobs where I'd be scrounging minimum wage helping to care for people with disabilities. Christianity now teaches that this is evil?

Where would that be? But we do see sexual perversion taught against.

Christianity now teaches that casual sex is fine and dandy?

That would be in gay theological circles. Anything goes there (except for accurate Biblical exegesis of course). You know that now.

That the poor are not worth our attention?

Far more than that. I know the Biblical record on the poor and needy. It appears you haven't forgotten things.

That the flaunting of wealth is appropriate and good?

It is a sin like homosexuality is.

Christianity is now opposed to supporting local small business and helping out the underdog?

Christians are ralying to support small businesses all the time. The Alliance Defense Fund is doing just that for a small business owning Christian coupled attacked by Lesbians.

Wow...I mean, I can only really know what *my* moral beliefs are. But if Christianity is worlds away from that, I'm glad I got out.

If you preach "another Gospel" it is indeed good that you are out. That is in keeping with the Christian witness in the New Testament writings.

Thanks for confirming it was the right decision!

I was an appropriate decision for an anti-Christian to make. If you at anytime desire to repent, well, you know the deal. That door is never closed but for one sin.

 

[cantata]

Seems Christians are only interested in protecting small-minded businesses.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

But they're still gay.

Just as in someone still being an atheist once they become a Christian? To be changed is what it is all about.

They don't believe they are sinning.

From teachers they have gathered around them to give their itching ears what they want to hear. This GLBT Christian thing was detailed in the New Testament. The Apostles and Disciples dealt with it in their day and new we would too.

Is their sincerity not important?

The deluded are usually sincere in their being duped. Jesus said sinning would happen, but gave a warning to those that caused others to sin. It was an even worse sin.

... Is sincerity not important?

Christians have been dealing with the sincerely wrong since writing down what Jesus taught. And, why.

Do you think God punishes people for being mistaken?

Yes and no. If you get on a ship run by a bad captain and it sinks, it wasn't your fault. But you go down anyway. Jesus meantions something like this about Sodom and Gomorrahe residents and compares them to people that refuse the Gospel. He speaks more favorably about the Sodomites and Gomorrahites.

People who molest children are, generally speaking, not too troubled about the sex of their victims.

This appears to be the exact same position of the GLBT community. Any homosexual couple adopting children could easiliy be seen in this light by the historic Christian position on marriage and family.

I was thinking more about Christians and non-Christians alike who are genuinely worried about young non-heterosexual people, whom they feel could benefit from outreach programmes which help them to accept their sexuality and to feel supported. Do you really think their motives for this are cynical? If so, why? I don't assume that Christians' motives for reaching out to children are cynical and malevolent.

The Gospel is not malevolent. The witness of the Apostles is quite extraordinary in its scope to help children and families. The GLBT's here will come unglued if I post my assertion of the malevolence inherent in that culture. I know this community well. I know the Christian community as well. The two cannot mix in goal-oriented ways.

Non-heterosexual people's motives for what, exactly?

Partners. Many, many partners. Notice that promiscuity and perversions are held to the same standards for non-GLBT people. The "You Christians should act . . ." accusation is slung at us all the time. Even our adversaries know "how" we should live. I like the movement now in Christianity to do what we should do and let others exist outside the Church the way they like. I loved Falwell and I love Dobson, but they waste their time fighting against GLBT's. They should love the Church as Christ did.

My point is that non-heterosexual people are not the only people who are proud of something you think is a sin, so there's nothing particularly surprising or different about it.

Christians are consistent on what Christians should do. There is serparation of classifications. GLBT's do that.

You can do whatever you like. It's your life. I'm simply saying that you have this idea in your head of LGBT culture which doesn't match reality for a lot of - I would even go so far as to say most - queer people.

It sure doesn't look like that. It appears that GLBT are quite united in their quest to homosexualize the Church and society. It seems quite the agenda. Far from just seeking rights.

We live lives comparable to heterosexual ones, differing only with regard to the sex of the people we go to bed with.

In Christianity that makes for an unreachable chasm. Again, it appears that sachism is the goal of GLBT people working in the Church. The New Testament pointed out that this would be commonplace and to not to join these kinds of people.

Surely it is liars, and other sinners, whom you are required to attract. It's all very well telling the truth, but if the purpose of telling - to persuade - is thwarted by your manner of presentation, you are wasting your time (and gambling with people's salvation).

I am not evangelizing on an internat debate site. I am contending for the Gospel against those that would alter it, pervert it, subvert it and/or abolish it. That, I am called to do as well. I come to places like this and typical it is crawling with GLBT's pressing the issue of homosexuality onto Christians. Apologia does not mean saying you are sorry. I am not sorry for the witness of the Apostles. I defend it.

It's wise never to label any group of people as identical in some respect.

Oh really? Where is the abstinence programs in the GLBT community? You only hear "Do it, just get knowledge and use a condom."

That is antithetical to Christian life. It is recruitment plain and simple.

I'm queer and I'm not a Christian, and courtesy is important to me - and I don't think the behaviour of queer non-theists marks them out particularly on CF. Heterosexual Christians, non-heterosexual Christians, and heterosexual non-Christians are all capable of screaming and "laying traps" - and they do it all the time.

The Bible is a done deal. It is shown in my "OP's" how they OP is ignored by GLBT's and the taunts and spin and traps replace any discourse. Yes, yes, I taunt back. I admit I shouldn't. I just don't like bullies.

If you took a cross-section of heterosexual people, and a cross-section of LGBT people, you would probably find more diversity in ethics, political leaning, social behaviour, criminal record, &c. &c. within the two groups (i.e. comparing straight with straight or LGBT with LGBT) than you would between them. There is nothing special about LGBT people.

There are no adultery pride parades. The closet we come to that is Mardi Gras and as we can see fom history, that was perverted by the lascivious and licentiousnes crowd. Which of course includes a large percentage of GLBT representation.

Can I ask you why you think there would be a difference? What is it about LGBT people that makes them especially badly behaved, in your opinion?

My opinion is as a Christian. GLBT's promote and encourage sin. In fact they go out of their way to take pride in it. I have never seen a Christian do that OTHER TAHN some TV Evangelists preaching that prosperity stuff.

You have a persecution complex. It's quite unbecoming.

You are so excellent in staying away from the common tactics of the typical GLBT. I am only claiming that GLBT's are attacking the Church and that GLBT culture, behavior and the community is very hostile to Christians. I have every right to that assertion. Even the newspapers and TV news shows that.

And I have just told you that I don't use the word "homophobia". Did you just see the word and throw a hissy fit? You used it first.

"Homophobia" is a (another) neologism designed to silence every dissent of Gay Culture. This is where the malevolence factor takes gets its validity.

I think you need to get it into your head that sexuality is an important and deeply emotionally affecting part of people's lives.

Neither Jesus nor any of the Apostles/Disciples ignored that aspect of human nature. In fact, you GLBT's accuse we Christians of dwelling on it too much. Christians are the ones getting over the power of the sex drive and putting it in its proper place. Ever studied the Marguis De Sade? But I do believe he had his good points. He hated Christians who were hypocrites preaching one thing and living another.

Whatever you want to persuade LGBT people of, you need to start acting more sensitively towards us.

But how many will see ANY niceness as affirmation? That is the problem with the licentious, they always see the lack of a "no" as a yes.

Gay people are not going to attack your children in the night. Calm down and grow up.

They don't have to. They have complete access to children in broad daylight in public schools from k-12, and has been proven, the parents of these children CANNOT do anything about it. For now anyway. There are Christian law firms stepping up for the civil rights of Christians. The First Amendment hasn't been hate crimed away just yet.

 

[WarEagle]

If you preach "another Gospel" it is indeed good that you are out. That is in keeping with the Christian witness in the New Testament writings.

You know, I hear people in General Apologetic forums all the time say "Oh, I'm so glad I left Christianity" as if we're supposed to say "Oh no! He left Christianity. It must not be true after all".

I don't think they realize that they're doing Christianity a favor. If they're not going to hold to Biblical teaching, then what's the point of them being there anyway, except to drag others down with them.

Frankly, I'm glad when I hear a lot of these guys say they left Christianity (assuming they were really Christians in the first place). I'm just sorry that they didn't take some other folks with them.

 

[cantata]

Just as in someone still being an atheist once they become a Christian? To be changed is what it is all about.

Being gay is not about what you do or believe; it is merely about being attracted to people of one's own sex. Do you deny that there are Christians who are attracted to their own sex?

From teachers they have gathered around them to give their itching ears what they want to hear. This GLBT Christian thing was detailed in the New Testament. The Apostles and Disciples dealt with it in their day and new we would too.

The deluded are usually sincere in their being duped. Jesus said sinning would happen, but gave a warning to those that caused others to sin. It was an even worse sin.

Christians have been dealing with the sincerely wrong since writing down what Jesus taught. And, why.

Yes and no. If you get on a ship run by a bad captain and it sinks, it wasn't your fault. But you go down anyway. Jesus meantions something like this about Sodom and Gomorrahe residents and compares them to people that refuse the Gospel. He speaks more favorably about the Sodomites and Gomorrahites.

I just don't understand how you can hold people responsible for something when they don't know they're wrong. The best you can do is to try to convince them - politely.

This appears to be the exact same position of the GLBT community. Any homosexual couple adopting children could easiliy be seen in this light by the historic Christian position on marriage and family.

I don't understand what you're saying. My remark was meant to point out that people who are attracted to children don't usually have a gender preference. I don't know what that has to do with same-sex couple adoption.

The Gospel is not malevolent. The witness of the Apostles is quite extraordinary in its scope to help children and families.

No, it is not, although it has some ideas in it with which I strongly disagree.

The GLBT's here will come unglued if I post my assertion of the malevolence inherent in that culture. I know this community well. I know the Christian community as well. The two cannot mix in goal-oriented ways.

If there were such a thing as an LGBT culture, I dare say its goals might be different from those of some Christians. But they would not be malevolent. They would be sincere, even if you would think they were misguided. Malevolence implies intent to harm.

Partners. Many, many partners.

Do you think that promiscuous people are promiscuous with intent to harm? That would be malevolent. I think they just like sex. That may be misguided, but it's not malicious.

Notice that promiscuity and perversions are held to the same standards for non-GLBT people. The "You Christians should act . . ." accusation is slung at us all the time. Even our adversaries know "how" we should live. I like the movement now in Christianity to do what we should do and let others exist outside the Church the way they like. I loved Falwell and I love Dobson, but they waste their time fighting against GLBT's. They should love the Church as Christ did.

Right, good, yes. Clean your own house first, and all that.

What are perversions, again?

Christians are consistent on what Christians should do. There is serparation of classifications. GLBT's do that.

Individual Christians are capable of being consistent, just as individual non-Christians (and non-heterosexual people) are capable of being consistent. Christians are not all consistent with one another, though.

It sure doesn't look like that. It appears that GLBT are quite united in their quest to homosexualize the Church and society. It seems quite the agenda. Far from just seeking rights.

I have no idea what this means. I don't know any gay people who are seeking to "homosexualise" the Church. There are already churches that willingly accept gay people, so there's no need to have a go at the others.

Perhaps it's just in crazy America that this is such an issue, but to be honest, in the UK gay people and anti-gay churches tend to keep out of one another's way.

In Christianity that makes for an unreachable chasm. Again, it appears that sachism is the goal of GLBT people working in the Church. The New Testament pointed out that this would be commonplace and to not to join these kinds of people.

I should think LGBT people would prefer that there wasn't a schism - they'd rather that everyone in every church was tolerant of them. No one wants a schism, do they? Everyone wants other people to just agree with them.

I am not evangelizing on an internat debate site. I am contending for the Gospel against those that would alter it, pervert it, subvert it and/or abolish it. That, I am called to do as well. I come to places like this and typical it is crawling with GLBT's pressing the issue of homosexuality onto Christians. Apologia does not mean saying you are sorry. I am not sorry for the witness of the Apostles. I defend it.

Do you think you make a blind bit of difference?

Oh really? Where is the abstinence programs in the GLBT community? You only hear "Do it, just get knowledge and use a condom."

That is antithetical to Christian life. It is recruitment plain and simple.

Firstly, abstinence programmes don't work.

Secondly, there are gay Christians who encourage young people to wait for marriage.

Thirdly, no one says "do it" - they just say that you should wait until you're ready, and that if you're going to do it, you should do it safely.

Fourthly, how is that recruitment?! There are plenty of heterosexuals who give the same message to young people. Are they RECRUITING FOR THE HETEROSEXUAL AGENDA?

The Bible is a done deal. It is shown in my "OP's" how they OP is ignored by GLBT's and the taunts and spin and traps replace any discourse. Yes, yes, I taunt back. I admit I shouldn't. I just don't like bullies.

That's your skewed perspective again. And, frankly, it's nice to see the tables turned. Gay people have had to put up with a lot.

There are no adultery pride parades. The closet we come to that is Mardi Gras and as we can see fom history, that was perverted by the lascivious and licentiousnes crowd. Which of course includes a large percentage of GLBT representation.

Adultery and homosexuality are not comparable. Adultery is a violation of the terms of one's relationship with one's partner. Homosexuality is nothing of the sort.

My opinion is as a Christian. GLBT's promote and encourage sin. In fact they go out of their way to take pride in it. I have never seen a Christian do that OTHER TAHN some TV Evangelists preaching that prosperity stuff.

But they disagree that it's a sin.

If they said, "We fervently believe that homosexuality is a sin, but do it anyway!" that would be hypocritical. But they don't. They say it isn't a sin. So there's no hypocrisy there. There would of course be plenty of hypocrisy if a Christian said that homosexuality is a sin but people should do it anyway, just as there is hypocrisy in saying that greed is a sin, but I've got more cash than God can count.

You are so excellent in staying away from the common tactics of the typical GLBT. I am only claiming that GLBT's are attacking the Church and that GLBT culture, behavior and the community is very hostile to Christians. I have every right to that assertion. Even the newspapers and TV news shows that.

I disagree. There are plenty of LGBT people who are Christians, and plenty of Christians who are supportive of LGBT people. The hostility is in your head.

"Homophobia" is a (another) neologism designed to silence every dissent of Gay Culture. This is where the malevolence factor takes gets its validity.

Homophobia exists. I know heterosexual men who are literally terrified of gay men. They think they will rape them on the spot if they get a chance. It's very odd.

Neither Jesus nor any of the Apostles/Disciples ignored that aspect of human nature. In fact, you GLBT's accuse we Christians of dwelling on it too much. Christians are the ones getting over the power of the sex drive and putting it in its proper place. Ever studied the Marguis De Sade? But I do believe he had his good points. He hated Christians who were hypocrites preaching one thing and living another.

Now this is interesting. What often seems to happen is that certain Christians would really like to put sexuality to one side and be more... well, Christian - but that naughty sex drive keeps popping up in arguments about gay people.

Those of us unfettered by religious moralising usually just enjoy sex and then get on with our lives.

But how many will see ANY niceness as affirmation? That is the problem with the licentious, they always see the lack of a "no" as a yes.

I'm sometimes nice about Christians. Doesn't mean I agree with them, or that I'm happy about their targeting of children. I don't think anyone thinks that it does mean that, because I'm careful to state my case clearly.

They don't have to. They have complete access to children in broad daylight in public schools from k-12, and has been proven, the parents of these children CANNOT do anything about it. For now anyway. There are Christian law firms stepping up for the civil rights of Christians. The First Amendment hasn't been hate crimed away just yet.

I have no interest in the First Amendment, or in your country's school system, which seems pretty screwed up to me. Do you know who has access to children in my country? Christians. They're everywhere. It's terrifying, at times.

 

[cantata]

You know, I hear people in General Apologetic forums all the time say "Oh, I'm so glad I left Christianity" as if we're supposed to say "Oh no! He left Christianity. It must not be true after all".

I don't think they realize that they're doing Christianity a favor. If they're not going to hold to Biblical teaching, then what's the point of them being there anyway, except to drag others down with them.

Frankly, I'm glad when I hear a lot of these guys say they left Christianity (assuming they were really Christians in the first place). I'm just sorry that they didn't take some other folks with them.

That's really nice. "I'm glad that guy got run over by a bus. He was pretty annoying."

 

[Rajni]

Should Christians evangelize gays? Yes. The Great Commission doesn't indicate a preferred audience.

 

[LittleNipper]

That's really nice. "I'm glad that guy got run over by a bus. He was pretty annoying."

They are glad because they never were Christian, they were attempting to work their way to heaven. Doing works to be a good boy soon becomes a real drudge. To stop doing works and do whatever is a termporary relief but offers not security. I find that as a real Christian I am free to do things for CHRIST ---- to show my love and not because I must.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

cantata,

Another fine post, but I have to go shortly and cannot give your post the time it deserves.

Bye