Gay theology (i.e. Mel White, Soulforce) why even try?

[Polycarp_fan]

And yet you seem eminently happy to judge all homosexuals based on the substance of one pamphlet, one that the vast majority of us have never heard of, let alone approved of or agree with

It was just part of an apologia. My response to being called a liar and my attempts to get this thread back to the "OP."

It also shows that holding the assertion that there is a "Gay Agenda" is not based on a fairy tale. Many groups are monitoring it. Look at how "Fistgate" caused changes in its next attempts.

Now, if you will, back to the "OP?"

 

[TheManeki]

Or it could be that new generations don't as readily absorb the prejudices of the old. Younger generations seem to be more racially tolerant than the oldest generations still around, for example. Likewise, the youngest generations seem more tolerant of others' sexual orientation than older generations.

 

[Maren]

(Caution: extremely gross and disgusting. We debated posting this in unedited form; we did so because it was given to schoolchildren in a public school, written with public money. Unfortunately, it's necessary that the public see it.)

"The Little Black Book - Queer in the 21st Century"

Is this the future? This booklet was distributed to hundreds of kids (middle school age and up) at Brookline High School, Brookline, MA, on April 30, 2005. It was written by the Boston-based AIDS Action Committee, with help with the Massachusetts Department of Public Health and the Boston Public Health Commission.
The event that day was designed for children and their teachers across Massachusetts, organized by the "Gay Lesbian and Straight Education Network" (GLSEN). This is the group that runs "Gay-Straight Alliance" clubs in public schools across the country. You must ask yourself: What kind of person would write this? What kind of person would give it to kids? Where is this movement headed?
Click here for full report of event, including photos, news reports, Governor's statement, and more.

http://www.massresistance.org/docs/issues/black_book/black_book_inside.html

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What is the rule on posting photos of a graphic nature?

Now let us look at the truth of this event rather than the lies of MassResistance. I've wondered when polycarp_fan was going to post this as evidence of schools "recruiting" gays. If we look at the facts, rather than the distortions that MassResistance -- this again illustrates why they are listed as a hate group -- we find this isn't what MassResistance and polycarp_fan claim.

From the Boston Globe report of what happened:

The ''Little Black Book," produced by the AIDS Action Committee of Massachusetts, is targeted at 18-and-older gay men, according to the committee. The book uses vivid descriptions and colloquial terms to describe the ways HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases can be prevented and spread.A Fenway Community Health employee brought the pamphlets along with other materials and put them on the table by mistake, said Chris Viveiros, a spokesman for Fenway Community Health.
''Fenway Community Health regrets accidentally making available a small number of copies of the Little Black Book, an HIV-prevention publication for gay and bisexual men over the age of 18, at an event where young people were present," said Dr. Stephen Boswell, Fenway Community Health's president and CEO.

So, a non-school group accidentally brought a few pamphlets to a school event that were designed for people 18 and over. The article goes on to say that outside groups rented tables at $35, they were not representing the school.

So, the claims that somehow GLSEN was involved, that the school sponsored and passed out these booklets to all, or even that they were purposely handed out to children are all lies. This again illustrates again why MassResistance is classified as a hate group as this is just one instance where they have been caught in multiple lies about events on their website.

Now, I suppose that some could claim it was intentional by someone at Fenway Community Health, though there is no evidence that it was actually intentional. Oddly, not even MassResistance tries to claim this, though it is perhaps because of the comment of the President of the health organization, ''Fenway Community Health regrets accidentally making available a small number of copies of the Little Black Book, an HIV-prevention publication for gay and bisexual men over the age of 18, at an event where young people were present."


Though I admit, MassResistance is too busy trying to claim the school and national gay rights groups were involved, rather than a single community health organization (and likely a single employee). This despite clear statements, for example for the executive director of GLSEN, ''We have very clear policies that sexually explicit material of any kind will not be made available at the conference. Had I seen the book, I would have asked them to put it away," he went on to add, ''We're just going to have to be more rigorous in our review of materials." It also didn't seem to matter what the Brookline Superintendant of Schools said, ''We're disappointed that we laid out what we thought were pretty clear and easy-to-follow conditions and that they weren't adhered to."

 

[Maren]

It was just part of an apologia. My response to being called a liar and my attempts to get this thread back to the "OP."

It also shows that holding the assertion that there is a "Gay Agenda" is not based on a fairy tale. Many groups are monitoring it. Look at how "Fistgate" caused changes in its next attempts.

Now, if you will, back to the "OP?"

But it is just a pamphlet, and only 10 copies at that. It was not provided by the school or the GLSEN. Rather than showing that there is a "Gay Agenda", I think this proves the strong "anti-gay agenda" that turns 10 copies into it being given to "hundreds of kids" (the claim from the MassResistance website).

The fact is that every example you give is very limited in scope, something that happens in one location and that a handful of children are ever exposed to. Not that we should excuses the mistakes, they should still be corrected. But the exaggeration by the anti-gay groups is actually worse; rather than being poor judgment by a person or two, they are often calculating lies intentionally told by these organizations.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

=TheManeki;47664063]Or it could be that new generations don't as readily absorb the prejudices of the old.[/quite]

Is that neologism for the corruption of a society? Corruption of society is as old as civilization itself. Where cities rise so does corruption of them.

Younger generations seem to be more racially tolerant than the oldest generations still around, for example.

And why shouldn't they be? I hope you're not comparing race to sexual perversions? All people are of the same race. All share the same exact anatomy.

Likewise, the youngest generations seem more tolerant of others' sexual orientation than older generations.

Greece wasn't exactly a flash in the historical pan. Here we Rome again. What goes around, comes around. Or, as the Bible says it: "There is nothing new under the sun."

Do you think Nero and Hadrian rose to power against a force of opposition to their sexual proclivities? OK, so Nero was felled because of it (maybe) but Hadrian was a supported leader.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

=Maren;47664367]But it is just a pamphlet, and only 10 copies at that. It was not provided by the school or the GLSEN. Rather than showing that there is a "Gay Agenda", I think this proves the strong "anti-gay agenda" that turns 10 copies into it being given to "hundreds of kids" (the claim from the MassResistance website).

And you site "The Boston Globe?" Not exactly an independent voice on the support of gay culture.

The fact is that every example you give is very limited in scope, something that happens in one location and that a handful of children are ever exposed to.

One child exposed to a sexually innapropriate "lesson" is one too many.

Not that we should excuses the mistakes, they should still be corrected.

Isn't that seen as a hate crime to the GLBT community. I have never seen ONE GLBT/GLSEN example about NOT engaging in homosexual behaviors. It all seems slanted to encouragement. Christians should have the right to "opt out" of gay orientation classes that their children are forced to attend. You GLBT's don't want religion foeced on your children, than why sex acts on ours? Mom and mom are lesbian ONLY by their chosen sex life. Otherwise it is just two women raising children. Nothing wrong with that.

But the exaggeration by the anti-gay groups is actually worse;

What exaggeration? Have you ever been to a public school? Cold and calculating these handouts. Kids don't keep things private for more than a few seconds in school. Any recruiter knows that.

rather than being poor judgment by a person or two, they are often calculating lies intentionally told by these organizations.

Most parents are adults. They know exactly what is happening and why. Many people didn't make it to adulthood withoutexpereincing with sexual licentiousness and how it spreads.

If it weren't for these brave groups of committed parents fighting the good fight and opposing the Gay Agenda, GLSEN, PFLAG and Gay Straight Alliance, our schools would be even worse than they already are. As it stands now, "anything goes," is as close to pandemic as a jar of condoms offered to school kids.

NOW!!!!!???

How about back to the "OP?"

As cantata taught me, that means "Original Post."

 

[WhatThe]

GLBT organisations are slanted towards encouraging homosexual behvaiours.... FOR HOMOSEXUAL PEOPLE.

Not for heterosexual people.

Do you seriously think that i can walk up to a person and say, "hey you - go have gay sex" and they will just go and do it? Because your posts make out that's what you believe.

 

[TheManeki]

Is that neologism for the corruption of a society? Corruption of society is as old as civilization itself. Where cities rise so does corruption of them.

Progress in society is also as old as civilization itself. Universal suffrage, abolition of slavery, etc. The deciding factor is that your prejudices lead you to believe that letting homosexuals marry is a corruption, while I believe letting homosexuals marry is yet another extension of civil rights.

And why shouldn't they be? I hope you're not comparing race to sexual perversions?

What a pretty strawman you have there! No, I was again reflecting on the similarities between segregationists and those who condemn homosexuality. Both groups rely on cherry-picking verses to build a Biblical interpretation that oppresses a group of people, and in both cases the Biblical interpretation does not hold up in reality. Newer generations arose that did not buy into the segregationists' interpretation, just like newer generations now do not share the anti-gay bigotry of the old.

Greece wasn't exactly a flash in the historical pan.

Thankfully. The Greeks helped lay the foundations of democracy, philosophy, and science. It is just conveniently ignored by fundamentalists that homosexuality was also tolerated there, probably because acknowledging homosexuality existed there undercuts arguments like "societies always hated homosexuality" and "Paul had to coin arsenkoites for homosexuality, because no other word was in existence."

 

[sidhe]

Research Results:

If you look up "little black book" and "queer," you get right-wing websites, the Boston Globe article explaining what actually happened (back a few pages...apparently, journalism isn't popular), some reviews of books in the "Little Black Book" series (like the "LBB Kama Sutra," etc.), and Carson Kressly's latest work - "The Little Black Book of Style."

Oh, and some crazy reviews of "The Little Black Book for Girlz" - a book written by teen girls for teen girls about sex, abstinence, STDs, sexual assault, all reviewed and approved by doctors - talking about how the book is telling infants to become lesbians.

 

[SaintInChicago]

Because there are gay people (believe it or not) that believe in G-d. They also know that G-d made them the way they are, and, since G-d supposedly makes no mistakes, they know that they are loved by G-d just as you are. As for the Bible, people like yourself consistently use it to condemn gay people, even though those passages are highly debatable, as well. You accuse gay people of using 'gay theology', but when you use the Bible to condemn any of G-d's children, you are using "anti-gay theology" - Not to mention, you come across quite a bit as speaking for G-d, which I find highly arrogant. Why don't you leave the judging to G-d, and leave the non-heterosexual people alone to live their lives, and love who they love?

"Because there are rapists (believe it or not) that believe in G-d. They also know that G-d made them the way they are, and, since G-d supposedly makes no mistakes, they know that they are loved by G-d just as you are. As for the Bible, people like yourself consistently use it to condemn rapists, even though those passages are highly debatable, as well. You accuse gay people of using 'rape theology', but when you use the Bible to condemn any of G-d's children, you are using "anti-rape theology" - Not to mention, you come across quite a bit as speaking for G-d, which I find highly arrogant. Why don't you leave the judging to G-d, and leave the non-heterosexual people alone to live their lives, and love who they love?"

"Condemning people is always wrong! Unless you're judging bigots, 'homophobes', racists, etc". You know you come off as 100% hypocritical when you judge people and then say "don't judge".

 

[selfinflikted]

It is not I that demonize people.

Lies. How can you sit there with a straight face and say that? You've done nothingbut sling mud at gays since you sauntered into this forum.

Gays included. But as a Christian I know who does. And it's not Christians.

Well, you sure seem to speak for him an awful lot.

What challenge? Where?

You know, the one I've issued in more than one thread by now? The one I have to keep repeating because you are tapdancing around the fact that you can't meet my challenge?

In order for me to believe the bible, I need to know god is real. Show me god.

 

[selfinflikted]

"Because there are rapists (believe it or not) that believe in G-d. They also know that G-d made them the way they are, and, since G-d supposedly makes no mistakes, they know that they are loved by G-d just as you are. As for the Bible, people like yourself consistently use it to condemn rapists, even though those passages are highly debatable, as well. You accuse gay people of using 'rape theology', but when you use the Bible to condemn any of G-d's children, you are using "anti-rape theology" - Not to mention, you come across quite a bit as speaking for G-d, which I find highly arrogant. Why don't you leave the judging to G-d, and leave the non-heterosexual people alone to live their lives, and love who they love?"

"Condemning people is always wrong! Unless you're judging bigots, 'homophobes', racists, etc". You know you come off as 100% hypocritical when you judge people and then say "don't judge".

How many times do we have to go through this song and dance? Homosexuality =/= rape, or murder, or pedophilia, or theivery, or any of these things.

 

[WhatThe]

How many times do we have to go through this song and dance? Homosexuality =/= rape, or murder, or pedophilia, or theivery, or any of these things.

Ridiculous argument, isn't it?
Point being: homosexuality DOES NOT impose on the rights or free will of others.
Rape, murder, peadophilia, stealing, etc, DO.

 

[SaintInChicago]

How many times do we have to go through this song and dance? Homosexuality =/= rape, or murder, or pedophilia, or theivery, or any of these things.

Thank you for that display of simian logic. However, it is obvious what I am saying, and obvious that you are being disingenuous.

 

[TheManeki]

I'm beginning to think that the people who conflagrate homosexuality with rape may just have a screwed-up idea of sex in the first place. Otherwise, how could they confuse a physical expression of love with something that is all about power and domination?

 

[Polycarp_fan]

How many times do we have to go through this song and dance? Homosexuality =/= rape, or murder, or pedophilia, or theivery, or any of these things.

As long a it is forced on everyone it will be seen as forced. There are no opt-out allowances for the gay agenda.

It's like a victim cowering in the corner waiting for the assailant/perpetrator to get done with his/ger lunch. No amount of pleading, begging or aksing is going to stop what is going to happen.

And besides, to violate sexually, the design of the human anatomy should find no support. No matter if it is caused by a congenital mental-birth condition or not. How is it that we have arrived at a point in history, where sexual perversion is a civil rights issue?

 

[WhatThe]

I agree the Maneki.
Also those who insist on mentioning [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse], vibrators, anal sex, fisting, etc, every five minutes (while claimin to be pure of spirit and heart and being true Christians).

 

[Polycarp_fan]

I'm beginning to think that the people who conflagrate homosexuality with rape may just have a screwed-up idea of sex in the first place. Otherwise, how could they confuse a physical expression of love with something that is all about power and domination?

Physiology.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

I agree the Maneki.
Also those who insist on mentioning [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse], vibrators, anal sex, fisting, etc, every five minutes (while claimin to be pure of spirit and heart and being true Christians).

How else can we prove out point?

I think a far better perspective is: Why do you guys want to ignore the facts? What are you hiding, or, hiding from?

 

[WhatThe]

As long a it is forced on everyone it will be seen as forced. There are no opt-out allowances for the gay agenda.

*rolls eyes* Again with the non existant 'gay adgenda'.
Quite simply - if you're gay, have relationships with someone of the same sex. If you're not, then don't. It's actually really simple. No gay person i know goes around forcing people to have gay sex.
You are truly ludicrous.