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Why the 'obsession' with homosexuality?

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That doesn't sound bad. However, I think that homosexuality should not be recognized through a traditionally Judeo-Christian ceremony called 'marriage.' They should have another name for it.

After all, don't you guys abhor the idea of using a fundamentally Godly ceremony? Many of you guys do not believe in God. And if you did it'd probably be a different God than me so why not use a different ceremony? And if it is the same, how could you imagine being married to someone of the same gender and also being a Christian?

Some believe that you can be a Christian and love someone of the same gender. In fact, a friend of mine had a Priest tell him that it is possible, and that he should thank God for making him gay.

Personally, i disagree with the foundation of marriage as it stands today, for both heterosexual and homosexual couples. It doesn't really mean anything; it is just one day and yet it is SUCH a big thing, people spend so much money on it, the true meaning has disappeared. People often marry to try to save a relationship, rather then to affirm it.

Also, 'you guys' covers a whole lot of different people and beliefs. Many do believe in the same god as you.

Does the title 'marriage' really matter at all? Seriously. It's just a title. People can get married in a court house and still call it a marriage. Or be married in a predominately Hindi ceremony, etc. I don't think that the church can claim ownership of the word.
 
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However, I think that homosexuality should not be recognized through a traditionally Judeo-Christian ceremony called 'marriage.' They should have another name for it.
If we think of "marriage" as a religious ceremony (which, in the US, it isn't just this - it is also a legal contract), then same gender couples can already get married. There are plenty of churches, Christian and UU (and some other religions), that will marry same gender couples. They can already get the religious ceremony that you object to them getting (obviously not in your church, but in some churches).

So then why bother to object to these couples, who can already get religiously married, getting the legal rights that come along with marriage?

Unless you want the name of all legal unions to change, differentiating them from religious unions?
 
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I wouldn't want to spend my eternity with another who thinks they somehow deserve to be there, while others do not. It baffles me to see someone sing, "Amaaaaazing Grace, how sweet the sound, that saved a wretch like meeeeee", then point to another, show no grace, condemn them already, and say, "What a wretch! I'm so glad I'm not like THAT person!"

The bible talks about that actually:
Luke 18

9To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everybody else, Jesus told this parable: 10"Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11The Pharisee stood up and prayed about[a] himself: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.'
13"But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, 'God, have mercy on me, a sinner.'

14"I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."


He also told a parable about those who refuse to forgive the debts of others. (Their forgiveness seems to be forfeited.)

Any "Christian Pride" parades you know of? Any "Sinners who will sue you if you call them sinners" pride parades marching anywhere?

Other than a bunch of people obsessed with their sexuality calling themselves the GLBT Community, you do not see such "pride," or, shall I say haughtiness, about sex practices by too many other people groups, except NAMBLA and some porn actors.

And, the GLBT Community and culture demands that it is hate speech to consider their sexual proclivities as "a sin." You can't "forgive" what is refused to be offered.

So, in keeping with the two people going into the synagouge to pray passage presented up above, you have the GLBT and the Pharisee being thankful they are not sinners and you have a typical believer grieving their sins and sinning and asking to be forgiven for being a sinner. That is considered homophobia now.

I wonder if the Pharisees, Saducees and Scribes considered Jesus a hater for the way he talked about them? Or, were these people born with a congenital condition to be false teachers? I wouldn't want to ask the APA. They give excuses for so much immorality already, I think I know their position.
 
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Any "Christian Pride" parades you know of? Any "Sinners who will sue you if you call them sinners" pride parades marching anywhere?

Other than a bunch of people obsessed with their sexuality .

Christian groups scream boycott all the time when they don`t like something....there are entire lists of companies that are boycotted by Christians.

Pride parades are a celebration of the GLBT`s right to march, equality and freedom to be GLBT. For the record, I don`t even like the in your face overt sexuality that some people choose to display in those parades....but don`t paint all homosexuals as being like that.

One could argue that Christians don`t need any parades, for the simple fact that the entire world comes to a STOP to celebrate our beliefs and holidays....Easter and Christmas for example.

In Canada the Canadian Catholic Civil Rights League launches complaints and takes civil action against those that they deem has published offensive content against the Roman Catholic Church....it is like a rights watch dog.

I would imagine that there are similar groups in the States.

The only difference that I see is that you seem to be obsessed with other people`s sexuality.
 
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Any "Christian Pride" parades you know of? Any "Sinners who will sue you if you call them sinners" pride parades marching anywhere?

Actually, yes. Sounds a lot like the Westboro Baptist Church if you ask me.

Stand around in public showing pride for their hateful beliefs? Yep.
Sue people who stand against them? You bet they do.

Polycarp, do homosexual people harm you in any way?
Answer, no, they don't.
So whether you believe it to be a sin or not, it's nothing to do with you.
 
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Any "Christian Pride" parades you know of?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4910466.stm

Christians are always parading their religion about the place.

The whole nature of Christianity is that it is a belief system, and, usually, a communal belief system. Christians naturally find themselves in the same place, because there is a strong emphasis in Christianity on communal worship and the Church. Their need, therefore, to have marches which demarcate them as a group, or make them feel part of a community, is much diminished in comparison with that of other groups. If you have a belief system which has, at its heart, an injunction to form communities with other people who share your beliefs, you are far less likely to find yourself at a loss for a sense of belonging.

What you have to remember is that it's people who are suffering some sort of oppression who need to band together. That is the purpose of Gay Pride marches: to give a certain set of people who feel marginalised a sense of community and belonging. Gay people do not all share a particular belief system, much less one which tells them to form ideological groups similar to churches. They may belong to churches, of course, or other religious or ideological organisations, but those organisations may condemn or ignore a part of them that they feel is important and valid, and they will not, generally speaking, offer direct support and discussion of the issue which causes these people to feel marginalised. So it is hardly surprising that gay people want to remind themselves and others that they exist, that they have support from other people (heterosexual or otherwise), and that there are enough of them to make a difference to public policy. It is about feeling that you belong, that you are not an outcast.
 
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When I was 20, I was a pretty strong Christian, spoke in tongues, read the bible, etc. However, I began to realize that I was gay.After a long struggle with the issue, and finding little in the bible, and not having the internet in 1984, I considered committing suicide, since I realized that my attractions weren't "a phase", and was led to believe that God truly hated me. Most of society seemed to. A nonchristian friend would say, "I wish we could line up all f**s and shoot them." In the Church, gays alone were told they were not welcome, and some even claimed that God hated homosexuals, that they were an enemy of God. I remember Falwell saying that it was God's punishment, and a nurse whom I knew said that gay people get what they deserve (regarding AIDS). I felt that I couldn't even turn to God (whom I was led to believe hated me) so I thought I would do God and everyone else a favor, and off myself.

That's what that kind of message does to a person.

Only homosexuals demand that their sins not be considered sins.

We've heard this propaganda piece many, many times about the poor pitiful coming out process. And still more and more children are choosing to engage in homosexuality in our schools and bars. There are no religions allowed such easy access to youth as there is to Gay organizations. There are even "churches" that promote homosexuality. If a person is suffering from depression, don't blame that on the Church. Isn't it the APA or the Democrats that are the heroes to the Gay community? That's a lot of political, social and medical power in your favor.
 
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Only homosexuals demand that their sins not be considered sins.

Nonsense. There are dozens of heterosexual Christians on Christian Forums who make the same demand.
 
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Funny how you rave on about your religion, and they when others within your religion (who have taken the time to study and gain a better understanding of the scriptures) have an opinion that differs from yours, they must be the ones who are wrong.

As Mark Knoll wrote, "The scandal of the evangelical mind is that there is no evangelical mind."

(I recommend his book The Scandal of the Evangelical Mind as a great study in fundamentalist anti-intellectualism.)
 
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Only homosexuals demand that their sins not be considered sins.

We've heard this propaganda piece many, many times about the poor pitiful coming out process. And still more and more children are choosing to engage in homosexuality in our schools and bars. There are no religions allowed such easy access to youth as there is to Gay organizations. There are even "churches" that promote homosexuality. If a person is suffering from depression, don't blame that on the Church. Isn't it the APA or the Democrats that are the heroes to the Gay community? That's a lot of political, social and medical power in your favor.

Poly - you post, you rant, you rave....but do you ever listen?:confused:

You basically claimed that there are no Christian Pride marches...yet clearly they're are...heck in my small city....during Easter, some Christians march the streets carrying a giant cross....there are Christian marches all over the world....

When one of your posts is shown to be completely false....rather than concede that maybe you are mistaken....you simply move on, choosing to ignore the fact that you are wrong in favour of another long winded post.
 
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4910466.stm

Christians are always parading their religion about the place.

Let's test all things shall we:

Easter procession through streets
Hundreds of Christians have marched through London in a procession led by a man dressed to resemble Christ.

Marcel Croome wore a long white tunic and sandals, and carried a wooden cross from the Methodist Central Hall in Victoria Street to Westminster Abbey.

En route, it stopped off at Catholic Westminster Cathedral, signifying the unity between the different churches.

Archbishop of Westminster Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor asked people to remember innocent victims of our times.

"We remember the victims of atrocities committed by terrorists during the past year, especially those who died in the bombings here in London on 7 July," he said.

"We remember those killed in the Middle East, those who almost daily in Iraq lose their lives to terrorist attacks.

"We remember too the victims of natural disasters...we remember the thousands who every day die because of poverty."
Among the marchers were clerics, ministers and a child from a local school beating a drum.

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I'm thinking that there is very little "pride" going on here. I'm not even going to compare what GLBT's chant about in their "processions."


The whole nature of Christianity is that it is a belief system, and, usually, a communal belief system.

A belief system based on Christ Jesus and the forgiveness of sins. In the GLBT culture and community that is seen as a hate crime.

Christians naturally find themselves in the same place, because there is a strong emphasis in Christianity on communal worship and the Church. Their need, therefore, to have marches which demarcate them as a group, or make them feel part of a community, is much diminished in comparison with that of other groups. If you have a belief system which has, at its heart, an injunction to form communities with other people who share your beliefs, you are far less likely to find yourself at a loss for a sense of belonging.

I have stated many times that gays and Christians are in different belief systems. It's nice to see your position on the same thing.

What you have to remember is that it's people who are suffering some sort of oppression who need to band together. That is the purpose of Gay Pride marches: to give a certain set of people who feel marginalised a sense of community and belonging.

It looks like a clebration of favorite sex acts by the individuals that have banded together to be proud about them. They are a certain set of people, I'll give you that.

Gay people do not all share a particular belief system, much less one which tells them to form ideological groups similar to churches.

That position may fly in the face of what is going on in our schools and politics and IN gay pride parades themselves. GLBT (and Q's) get access to all youth during school and Christians must wait until everything is over. That is being marginalized. Remember no where in the Constitution or Bill of Rights is the statement "the seperation of Church and State." All (american) schools were once in Churches or Church groups.

They may belong to churches, of course, or other religious or ideological organisations, but those organisations may condemn or ignore a part of them that they feel is important and valid, and they will not, generally speaking, offer direct support and discussion of the issue which causes these people to feel marginalised.

That validates my position that GLBT culture is one exclusively about sexual proclivities. You should marginalize those that identify and want to proclaim their sexula behavior defines them and recruit people into support for that. Any good parent protects their children from these kinds of people. "Gay, Lesbian, Bi-Sexual," those three speak of behaviors and transgendered, that speaks even louder.

So it is hardly surprising that gay people want to remind themselves and others that they exist, that they have support from other people (heterosexual or otherwise), and that there are enough of them to make a difference to public policy. It is about feeling that you belong, that you are not an outcast.

The same thing could be done in private. I have never met one heterosexual that introduces their sexual proclivities. Yet, "I'm Gay," or Rainbow Flags. Pink triangles, declare sexual behaviors. The homosexual comunity is not marginalized in western society for parading that their sexual tastes define them. That actually seems quite popular. Christians are admonished to get out of this identification. It's referred to as "in the world and not of it."

I'm not arguing that homosexuals or whatever be forced to stop enegaing in whatever pet sins they desire. That is not a Christian thing to do. NOT, supporting or joining in the promoting of sins is certainly part of the "belief system" of Christians. I realize you know that. Now, please stop considering we Christians as hateful or bigoted or phobic towards gay sex. Most of us know well the sins of the world. We're just not proud of them.
 
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Poly - you post, you rant, you rave....but do you ever listen?:confused:

You basically claimed that there are no Christian Pride marches...yet clearly they're are...heck in my small city....during Easter, some Christians march the streets carrying a giant cross....there are Christian marches all over the world....

When one of your posts is shown to be completely false....rather than concede that maybe you are mistaken....you simply move on, choosing to ignore the fact that you are wrong in favour of another long winded post.

"Pride" and the Christian life are mutually exclusive. I am staying with the consistent message IN the New Testament there too. If I am ranting, then you must consider Peter, Paul, James, Jude and John out of control. And Jesus stated marriage in complete opposition to what the Gay culture is pursuing.
 
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"I have never met one heterosexual that introduces their sexual proclivities."

Except for the millions who wear wedding rings in public, hold hands with their partners, kiss, etc.

I hold hands with my kids, kiss them in public and have even kissed my Pastors wife on the cheek at a picnic. Abd actually, Christians were considered wierd for this behavior (a holy kiss to each other) back in the first century church days by the Romans. And wedding rings are a sign of commitment to one person for life. Even GLBT's know that. It is a sign of proper sexuality in its proper place. Even though, marriage rings may be another pagan influence in the Church. Certainly rings do not unite a Christian couple in marriage. God does. And God is said (by Jesus) to have designed marriage as a man and a woman. So I'll give you that point there, in proper context.

But the GLBT community sees that proper statement as a hate crime. Not one of those things equate with the symbols used to proclaim gay life, which could be described as condom morality. What was the word for a "gay" person before the neologism was employed by invention? Christians seek to get out of worldy ways. That is obviously a big difference to the gay life. You see no opposition in the gay world to "anything goes." Because, it literally does.
 
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He claims not to be prideful, yet consistantly claims to be on par with the apostles.
Sounds prideful to me.

You hear wrongly. Nice try, but agreeing with the Apostles is what a Christian should do. Altering their message is pride based. My humble message is to protect Christians as the message of the New Testament urges.

Shouldn't you go to the: "He must be a self-loathing gay guy" routine? That would serve you better don't you think?

Don't make the mistake of seeing confidence as pride.
 
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