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My Human Chromosome 2 Challenge
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It may be that not everyone understands the evidence you are referring to in this OP. I suggest that you explain briefly what is special about Chromosome #2, what telomeres are, etc. Then you can provide a link or two that explains it in more detail. Just a suggestion.
Thanks, SR. I did consider doing this, but
1) the OP was a bit long already
2) I was assuming those who had an answer had already considered the problem, so would know about it already
3) I'm no biologist so wouldn't be able to give the best summary
4) Wiki/Google, people! Seriously, do I have to do everything around here
5) I'm lazy
6) Oh, well, ok. It might aid some possible lurkers, so...
Humans have one pair fewer chromosomes than all the other Great Apes. This was trumpeted by creationists as an impossible sticking point for common descent, as an organism's offspring can't just miss an entire chromosome. But then science discovered something very interesting about Human Chromosome 2... The ends and middles of chromosomes are marked by "blobs" of genetic information called telomeres and centromeres (respectively), but Chr 2 has two centromeres and a "misplaced" telomere site in the middle (ie something like t---c---t---c---t). This is completely wrong for a normal chromosome, but exactly what you'd expect to see if two normal chromosomes fused end-to-end. Moreover, the two halves of this chromosome correspond very closely to two separate chromosomes in apes (2A & 2B -- used to be something else, can't remember the numbers -- EDIT: 12 & 13, apparently. Yay Google.). Therefore, it is very strong evidence that humans used to have the same chromosomes as the other apes, but they fused at some point in the past. That's evolution, and also evidence of common descent.
Wiki linkage: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromosome_2_%28human%29
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Q.
I reject modern "scholarship" that claims that "F" is a better translation of the original Hebrew. Some 17th century translators said it should be "Q", and that settles it.
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What if God did that? You haven't contradicted Split Rock's assertion that you'd tell Jesus to take a hike... is that an admission? Dad's already answered this (in another thread) -- I believe he said he'd "kick His ass". Your view?
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He says this to skirt the question. He assumes that he cannot know that it is Jesus, and as what this person says is contridictory to his belief, it must be SATAN. He does this because he is scared to address the intent of the question. Pretty typical AV.
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Anyone telling me mankind was created in any other way than how the Bible describes it in writing can take a hike.
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Including God Almighty Himself? Oookaaay. And yet it's us atheistic evilutionists that are committing blasphemy. Right.
Anyway, I take it that you can't explain HC2. I guess it can take a hike.
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Have you actually heard this, or were you just trying to play ... er ... devil's advocate?
As has been pointed out, this seems easy to debunk: other animals have fusions and there doesn't seem to be any reason why such a genetic glitch would be evidence of sinful nature. (Also, it still implies evolution, so I assume you're taking the role of a creationist that allows microevolution.)
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Ah, good ol' microevolution*, but no common descent... not bad. Now what about the massive similarities between the halves of HC2 and chimp chromosomes 2A & 2B? And how do we still deal with a deceptive God? (Shouldn't God have made sure such a deceptive (micro)evolutionary event didn't occur?)
BTW, surely the fusion would have been with Cain, otherwise we wouldn't all have it. Or Noah, perhaps.
ETA: same question for you, too, as for Pesto: have you actually encountered this answer?
*"4 out of 5 Gods of the Gaps prefer Microevolution(TM)"
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I took that hike. Ah nature is good. Their is much evidence and truth to be found.
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MoonLancer
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Is it possible a blasphemer wrote the bible to spite God? It would make sense considering his monsters portrayal.
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