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My first vent...lol!

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First, thanks for clicking in here and offering me a 'listening ear'.

So, today I brought my son for his 3 year (finally) annual checkup. This will be my third doctor since moving to this area nearly 3 years ago. I just can't seem to find a right fit for me and/or my son (usually it's just me and my opinionated self :p). I should mention that I prefer a pediatrician as I did find a very nice D.O but he was a Family Practice doctor.

So, while we were there, the doctor walked in and I thought he looked very approachable. He had an earring in his ear, which I thought was very risque for a doc and a good sign that he was laid back. He also comes highly recommended. But when he also brought in a med student in the visit (my permission was not obtained, not that I'd object, but I did not like that I was not given a say in this), it did make me think that my son was now some sort of "case study" and that the doc may easily lose sight of his (my son) "humaness."

The visit went well enough and they are respecting my parental choices regarding vaccines (which is ultimately all I want). However (this is my vent) I felt irritated by the way the doctor started treating me when it came down to the vaccination issue. We basically went through my boy's immunizations to date. It turns out that he is up to date (shock to me, I thought we were behind) except for the MMR (uhh...oops? NOT :D). I have put a lot of time and energy into how I was going to deal with all the controversy surrounding it. I have come to the point where I am ok with (1) seperating the vaccine into 3 seperate shots and (2) ok with measles and mumps....erm not so much with rubella [due to the aborted fetal cells]. I have to still pray about this and seek the advice of my priest. So, during this portion of the visit, when I explained I wanted it separated, he said "We do offer this option to parents but we may not have any in the office since it is not commonly requested." This is when the interrogation began on his end.

Me; "I would like to focus on measles and mumps for now. Hopefully by that point, my son may have contracted chicken pox, and I won't have to deal with the varicella vax."

Him: "Well, being that varicella vax is about 15 years being administered, the chances of him contracting live chicken pox are slim to none. And you do have to have him vaxed for Kindergarten as recommended by the CDC and AAP, you know that, right?"

Me: "Well, actually, being that I am a teacher we are considering homeschooling him at this point."

Him: "Oh, well, even so, you have to have proof that you have vaxed your son."

Me: "Well, I am aware that the law in this state provides exemptions to parents regarding vaxes."

Him: "Right, a religious one."

Me: "And that brings me to my next point regarding the use of aborted fetal cells in some vaxes."

Him: "That is not true. I am not aware of the use of human cells in the varicella vaccine."

Me: (starting to feel a bit unsure of myself as adults in those white lab coats who are interrogating you with an almost naked lively 3 year old jumping on the exam table and a med student standing there watching all this can cause some inner pressure) Umm....well, I do know that the rubella vaccine is cultured out of aborted fetal cells. I researched it on the CDC's website and there was a statement that they were cultured out of aborted fetal cells in the 60's or 70's"

Him: "I am not aware of that. I'll have to check up on that."

Me: "I wasn't either until I entered discussions about this with others in my religious affiliation and when I learned about this, I wanted to be sure so I researched it on the official CDC website. So, I have not come to terms with the benefits of the vaccine and if it outweighs my religious objection to it."

At that point, he stopped the interrogation. My inner state of peace was disturbed and then I started feeling apologetic :confused:. Isn't that weird? I don't get why I would feel bad for my personal convictions?

Anyway, I give up trying to find the right fit for my son. I so wish I could have Dr. Sears for my son's ped!!!! hehe At least this office will separate that vax and allow me to vax on a delayed schedule. I only have to see the office once a year and if my son gets sick, I'll just tolerate it. Ugh.

Oh and he tried to recommend a pediatric dentist to me (whom I've already contacted and disliked because she won't allow me to be in the room with her when she works on my son's teeth). He said to me that this is a good thing. I told him "not for a 3 year old who already has high anxiety levels of being at the dentist's office because of his memories of being wrapped up in a papoose (happened when he was 2).

Argh...I know I tend to be a bit more challenging than most people. I only wish I could stand my ground with medical professionals and not feel apologetic when my opinion differs from theirs.
 

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:hug: I actually think you did a great job standing your ground and should be proud of yourself! I hope you can find a good fit soon!

And I totally agree with you on the dentist! Good for you! When my 6yo had to have a procedure done there was no way I was leaving her alone in there when she was so scared! They would have had to have gassed me and dragged me out of there before I was willing to leave my baby all by herself!
 
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Hang in there MsDahl....you can do it. I know exactly what you mean about feeling intimidated by doctors, it always helped me to think of it this way...I only have one (now two) child and this dr has many other patients that he/she can bully/convince into doing just as he/she says thinking about it that way really puts it into perspective for me when I'm in the office facing a dr that doesn't agree with me. Then I don't feel so bad for openly disagreeing and putting my foot down and saying NO! But don't fret too much just hang in there and you'll be fine! I also agree with you on the dentist issue...actually that's exactly why my boys haven't seen a dentist since they were 2/3 because after moving from SC we've not been able to find a dentist that will let us be with our boys...and I refuse to allow anyone that I don't know personally take my children from my care and without my supervision!
 
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I think that most doctors go into that profession to help people. However, the pompousness that some show towards those they try to help baffles me. I think it comes from their education. They are given textbooks to read and accept unquestioningly. There is no room to decide for oneself whether that data is true or not.

Keep your personal integrity. Don't do something because "everyone knows" it's so.
 
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Next time don't get into the debate. Don't explain yourself. You are the parent he is the doctor. You employ him. You can fire him. He is your child, You hold the power. [Cue He-Man music].

I got into it with doctors in the beginning but I have learned doctors will use scare tactics and argue in circles etc. It's easier to be shaken if you allow yourself to be put on the defensive in the first place.

I also learned my son's doctor didn't know stuff about the vaccines she so highly recommended that is right there on the CDC website for the whole world to read. I also learn doctors don't seem to like being questioned. I think with so many years of education and people coming to them for the answers they have forgotten Mom/Dad holds the trump card not the other way around.

Not that I don't respect their educated opinion or anything.

Unless You plan on getting vaccines that visit I'd simply refuse to get into the issue. If you want your son to get a vaccine make a separate appointment for it or take him to the health department.

*hug*

I now have a doctor [for my son] who doesn't question my decisions and only gives me his opinion if I ask for it. He rocks.
 
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That is a papoose.

We refuse to allow them use on our child for anything less than severe medical need. Dentistry is not a severe medical need.

MsDAhl, I understand your frustration. We vax delayed and I was so excited when the new dr. to the practice saw our history and deduced it herself that it was our decision and approached us from an this is what we offer you tell us what you want done position. It was so refreshing.
 
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That is a papoose.


The papoose used on my son was not a full body version. That one you posted is very scary! :D I was in the room with him when it was used right by his head and able to keep constant contact. Normally, I'd agree that dentistry is not a severe medical need (in the average child) but with my son it is borderline severe (not sure if you were making a blanketed statement on the dentist comment). I do not care to get into specifics here but I am a very big supporter of GD and AP and I believed at the time it was my best option and not getting his teeth worked on was NOT an option. Clearly he has matured quite a bit in a year's time and this is why I do not feel it is the best option currently. That's my dilemma with the dentist issue.

On a side note, has anyone ever been recommended to use Versed on your child to allow the dentist to work on his/her teeth?
 
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You have guts.... the wimpy way I am dealing with the MMR is not making the well baby visit (for Maya, she's due for the MMR)....

LOL no I don't. My son is 3 and this will be his first time journeying down the MMR road. I've managed to procrastinate as long as Western medicine allowed me to comfortably.

But I will be honest that I feel frustrated that I had to feel wary of annual visits to the doc. Basically because I won't be this perfect little patient who fits into his perfect little view of how I should do whatever it is he deems necessary, my child is not able to receive quality healthcare?
 
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My son's doctor, admitted to me the whole Well child Check thing was invented to get vaccine rates up. That except for vaccines unless your child needs a weight check or you think there is a problem they aren't really all that important.

Although an annual physical is important things a parent can miss can be picked up at such visits. To think parents are avoiding them to avoid being pressured into vaccines and then their child misses that chance.

Have you thought of asking around for a more an open minded doctor? I joined a local yahoo group for home schooling moms and asked for doctors in the area that are open to alternate vaccine schedules and got a few names. We went with the one that took our insurance and are very happy with him. :)
 
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The papoose used on my son was not a full body version. That one you posted is very scary! :D I was in the room with him when it was used right by his head and able to keep constant contact. Normally, I'd agree that dentistry is not a severe medical need (in the average child) but with my son it is borderline severe (not sure if you were making a blanketed statement on the dentist comment). I do not care to get into specifics here but I am a very big supporter of GD and AP and I believed at the time it was my best option and not getting his teeth worked on was NOT an option. Clearly he has matured quite a bit in a year's time and this is why I do not feel it is the best option currently. That's my dilemma with the dentist issue.

On a side note, has anyone ever been recommended to use Versed on your child to allow the dentist to work on his/her teeth?
That was just the first pic that came up. I didn't mean to make a blanket statement. For my sis it has always been a big issue for a variety of reasons. She has had to use versed in the past. Her oral health is complicated as well so I understand how for some it is the best option. I was mostly speaking of my children. I hope I didn't make you feel judged for doing what you need to for the health of your child. It was never my intent.:blush:
 
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That is a papoose.

We refuse to allow them use on our child for anything less than severe medical need. Dentistry is not a severe medical need.

MsDAhl, I understand your frustration. We vax delayed and I was so excited when the new dr. to the practice saw our history and deduced it herself that it was our decision and approached us from an this is what we offer you tell us what you want done position. It was so refreshing.


I can't believe people use those for going to the dentist. Wow, I find it hard to believe it's legal.
 
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I've had someone suggest thing because DS, who's 19 months has a tooth that needs fixed. If we can't find a way to keep him still he'll be 4 or 5 before it's fixed. I'm actually thinking about it. Also if you can have your child held down rather than being put to sleep, pain medicine is still being used so they don't feel it, they just aren't knocked out.

I'm sure most parents would want to avoid sedating their child if they can.
 
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That is a papoose.

We refuse to allow them use on our child for anything less than severe medical need. Dentistry is not a severe medical need.

OS had to be in one and it was really hard to watch him try to squirm out. He had to stay still for stitches near his eye. It was a very deep cut that required stitches on the muscles/meat/fat and then more to close the skin. I'll never forget feeling helpless for him. I had to leave the room b/c I couldn't stand watching him struggle. I would only allow it again for MAJOR medical issues...:)
 
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