If creationism was ever taught in the science class.

[consol]

What would end of year tests contain? would students still get a grade even if they knew no science?
or must they learn about science and just show a belief in a creation? can they reject a creation?
would teaching creation and science both get equal time? or would science get priority?

Could someone please tell us what could be expected of students,
after all, if you advocate something, you must know what you're advocating.

 

[AintNoMonkey]

It's not going to be. What are you so worried about?

 

[consol]

It's not going to be. What are you so worried about?

I'm not worried, but if it's never going to happen why are we all here?
why don't we all just ignore creationists? if they are not a threat, just forget about them, they will go away,
but they won't, will they? they are undermining the very fabric of American society today, and they are trying to spread,
if it remained an American problem that would be fine, but like any cancer, it spreads.
And that's what creationism is, a cancer, it rots the brain and destroys all reason.

 

[AintNoMonkey]

I'm not worried, but if it's never going to happen why are we all here?

You're here because you hate religion, although you have no experience with it. I'm here because I love to argue.

why don't we all just ignore creationists? if they are not a threat, just forget about them, they will go away,
but they won't, will they?

No, they won't, and that's why we don't ignore them. I'm not saying they aren't a threat, because they are, if left unchecked. It is because they're well-checked that this won't happen.

they are undermining the very fabric of American society today

The scientific community continues unfazed by cretards. Our educational system is well protected (Dover being a prime example of this). The fabric of American society is quite flexible, and has dealt with many changes throughout its history. What's so worrying about a bunch of science-handicapped people running around telling easily-falsified lies?

and they are trying to spread,

You're trying to spread your point of view, why can't they try to spread theirs?. Almost every cultural group everywhere is trying to spread. Suprise!

if it remained an American problem that would be fine, but like any cancer, it spreads

The medication for cretardation is logic, and although some are immune to it (what's up, AV? How are the grandkids?), most people show signs of recovery early in treatment.

And that's what creationism is, a cancer, it rots the brain and destroys all reason.

This is just plain silly. One can be a creationist and still be a very intelligent, logical, reasonable person who contributes vast quantities of good to our society. The two smartest people that I deal with on a daily basis are Christians who believe that god created the universe. They are both very well-known geologists (one is basically the last word in his field of research, globally) who are perfectly capable of reconciling their science and their religion.

The real cancer is ignorance. You are ignorant of religion, by your own admission. Maybe you should learn something about it before you comment (relentlessly) on how horrible it is. It's not.

 

[BobC]

"You are ignorant of religion, by your own admission. Maybe you should learn something about it before you comment (relentlessly) on how horrible it is. It's not."

Religions are a boring waste of time. What good is it to know anything about religions? All religions say a sky fairy magically creates things. Nothing could be more idiotic. It's a waste of time to study religions.

Creationism is extremely boring. Imagine a class about creation magic. The teacher says "God did it." Then there would be a final exam. The teacher asks who did it? The gullible students say "God did it". Then everybody gets an A and goes home. The entire class would take about 3 minutes.

 

[AintNoMonkey]

Religions are a boring waste of time.

So then I guess you don't know anything about them, since you haven't wasted your time on them. Am I right?

What good is it to know anything about religions?

So you definitely don't know anything about them. I'm still right, huh?

But to answer your question, our society -- its morals, its values, nearly everything in it-- is based on a religious foundation. This is true for much of the world. If you don't know anything about religion, chances are you're pretty lost here, and you'll be pretty lost everywhere else as well.

All religions say a sky fairy magically creates things.

Hmm... this statement from somebody who made the statements above it is highly lollers, and quite suspect. You don't know anything about religion, but you claim to know what they all teach. Tell me more.

Nothing could be more idiotic.

Making wild generalizations about what 'every religion' teaches would be. But I can't think of anybody who would do such a thing, can you?

It's a waste of time to study religions.

It's also a waste of time to study calculus. But I do both to gain a greater understanding of what goes on around me. I suggest you do the same.

Creationism is extremely boring.

So is this post. Repetitious repetitive repeating is is very highly extremely annoying much a lot.

Imagine a class about creation magic.
The teacher says "God did it." Then there would be a final exam. The teacher asks who did it? The gullible students say "God did it". Then everybody gets an A and goes home. The entire class would take about 3 minutes.

I'd attend. Easy GPA booster.

Anyway, fail post failed. I deem you an Eop. So there.

 

[AV1611VET]

What would end of year tests contain?

One simple question --- this one --- and if this forum is any indication of how you would respond, every single one of you would fail.

would students still get a grade even if they knew no science?

Yes --- F.

or must they learn about science and just show a belief in a creation?

If you acted in class like you act on the Internet --- you wouldn't have to worry about a final.

can they reject a creation?

Yes --- then I can reject them at the end of the year - (if they last that long).

would teaching creation and science both get equal time?

Assuming the curricula stuck to Genesis 1, it wouldn't last very long, but a lot of memorization would be required.

or would science get priority?

Science would get more air time.

Could someone please tell us what could be expected of students,
after all, if you advocate something, you must know what you're advocating.

Example test:

1. Why did God create the universe in the order that He did?
2. What did God create on the 5th day? 3rd day? 7th day?
3. How many firmaments are there? Name them, and list at least three things each one contains.
4. What is the scientific term for the Creation?
5. What is the Biblical term for the Creation?
6. Name the constellations in order, starting with Virgo, and explain how they relate to the plan of salvation.
7. Explain why the Second Law of Thermodynamics did not apply in Genesis 1.
8. Why was there darkness for three hours during Jesus' crucifixion?
9. What major scientific law was instituted in Genesis 2:1-2?
10. What is the formula for Angular Momentum? How does it keep the earth in orbit around the sun? What verse in Colossians supports it?
11. Show the major difference between the Big Bang or Solid State paradigms viz-a-viz the
    Creation in terms of the First Law of Thermodynamics.
12. Why can stars thousands of light years away be seen?
13. Explain terra aqua - and how terra firma could come from it.
14. Explain what is going to happen to the elements according to the Apostle Peter.
15. Explain the earth being "without form and void." What was the Holy Spirit [specifically] doing here in Genesis 1:2, and what science is that associated with today?

 

[Naraoia]

1. Why did God create the universe in the order that He did?

Why indeed?

 

[TheManeki]

What would end of year tests contain? would students still get a grade even if they knew no science?
or must they learn about science and just show a belief in a creation? can they reject a creation?
would teaching creation and science both get equal time? or would science get priority?

Could someone please tell us what could be expected of students,
after all, if you advocate something, you must know what you're advocating.

From someone who had to take one of these joke courses in his childhood...

I remember the questions being things like "On which day was the sun created?" (#4) "How old is the earth?" (6000 years) "Where did all the water from the flood come from?" (water vapor canopy) Simple regurgitation questions -- no discussion questions, so you didn't actually think about what you were taught. You just had to spout off the approved answer when provided the appropriate stimulus. Only years later, when I actually had learned something about science and thought about that creation "science" class, did I realize how fraught with contradictions and hand waving it was.

For the rest of the year in science class, it was business as usual. When teaching to such a young group of kids, it's easy to pick "safe" subjects that are scientific and have no bearing on creationism, making students think that the rest of science is okay -- there's just this one eevil area where goddless commie pinko fascist atheist scientists are trying to take down Christianity.

 

[AV1611VET]

Simple regurgitation questions -- no discussion questions, so you didn't actually think about what you were taught. You just had to spout off the approved answer when provided the appropriate stimulus.

Now you can regurgitate even more easily without having to think about what you were taught.

Question: How old is the earth?
Reguritation: [currently] 4.57 billion years.

Question: How old is the universe?
Reguritation: [currently] 13.7 billion years.

Question: How many planets in our solar system?
Reguritation: [currently] 8

Question: How many elements on the Periodic Table?
Reguritation: [currently either] 117 or 118

Question: What is 5 times 4?
Regurgitation: 20

Question: Do you take this woman to be your lawfully-wedded wife ... to cherish ...'till death do you part?
Regurgitation: [currently] I do.

And if you ever get sick of regurgitating all the time, just take the regurgitated suggestion: quit school.

 

[TheManeki]

Question: How old is the earth?
Reguritation: [currently] 4.57 billion years.

Question: How old is the universe?
Reguritation: [currently] 13.7 billion years.

Question: How many planets in our solar system?
Reguritation: [currently] 8

Question: How many elements on the Periodic Table?
Reguritation: [currently either] 117 or 118

But with all these you can go into the methodology of how these things were determined, the history of all these scientific endeavors, etc. While with answering "What day was the sun created?" all you can do is repeat the simplistic answer that is found in a magic book.

Question: What is 5 times 4?
Regurgitation: 20

And you can also count this out loud, not just mindlessly repeating a passage from a magic book.

Question: Do you take this woman to be your lawfully-wedded wife ... to cherish ...'till death do you part?
Regurgitation: [currently] I do.

Hey, if you didn't like your vows, you should have done what Mrs. TheManeki and I did and write your own. And even if you're married, it's not too late -- you could hold a renewal of vows ceremony at your IFB church. No sense griping about it.

 

[consol]

Now you can regurgitate even more easily without having to think about what you were taught.

Question: How old is the earth?
Reguritation: [currently] 4.57 billion years.

Question: How old is the universe?
Reguritation: [currently] 13.7 billion years.

Question: How many planets in our solar system?
Reguritation: [currently] 8

Question: How many elements on the Periodic Table?
Reguritation: [currently either] 117 or 118

Question: What is 5 times 4?
Regurgitation: 20

And if you ever get sick of regurgitating all the time, just take the regurgitated suggestion: quit school.

TheManeki beat me to it AV, every one of the above answers can be worked out for yourself, every one,
the bible can not be checked out, you either believe it or you don't, no checking allowed.

You were, 'Hoisted by your own petard'.

 

[AV1611VET]

And you can also count this out loud, not just mindlessly repeating a passage from a magic book.

Nope --- regurgitation is so much faster --- especially when the teacher is using flashcards.

 

[AV1611VET]

TheManeki beat me to it AV, every one of the above answers can be worked out for yourself, every one...

I believe we're talking about regurgitating spoon-fed answers.

Yes, someone worked it out, put it in a McGraw-Hill bible, gave it to a teacher, who spoon-feeds us.

Later, we regurgitate the answers when asked the questions.

That's the TheManeki method of answering questions, is it not?

 

[AintNoMonkey]

I believe we're talking about regurgitating spoon-fed answers.

Then you picked bad examples, as all of the ones you stated can be found out by anybody, through imperical research methods.

Yes, someone worked it out, put it in a McGraw-Hill bible, gave it to a teacher, who spoon-feeds us.

Apparently you've never taken a college-level (or even high school level) science class. Yes, they tell you how old things are, or the answers to questions, but they also equip you with the ability to recreate the experiments done to obtain these answers yourself. Methodology is the main focus of high-level tests, not simply regurgitation like your poor education was.

Later, we regurgitate the answers when asked the questions.

Try that at university. You will fail every science class you take.

 

[Danyc]

Hahah, I can imagine AV in a college-level science class.

AV: What? We have to explain WHY things are what they are?!
Professor: Yes, AV. That is what science is.
AV: I thought I could just regurgitate answers and get a pass!
Professor: No, AV. That is called Sunday School.

 

[Iefan]

TheManeki beat me to it AV, every one of the above answers can be worked out for yourself, every one,
the bible can not be checked out, you either believe it or you don't, no checking allowed.

Different types of thought. You wouldn't try to apply math to the concept of freedom, or physics to Shakespeare.

Then you picked bad examples, as all of the ones you stated can be found out by anybody, through imperical research methods.

*empirical

And math is a concept. You must first assume math exists, and that the Universe operates in a mathematical formula, otherwise it is simply good for current practical application, as are any scientific theories. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying "Szians r evl," or anything like that, just that no, it can't actually be thought out by anyone. If you were starting from the ground up with no knowledge of anyone else, math wouldn't be your first assumption, and in the future, we may be called morons for using it, in favour of , skabla, or booblycobble, or some other concept I have no basis of, same way as if you went back a few thousand years (assuming you could speak the language), and tried to teach biology to a Sumerian, he might have a hard time understanding anything you're saying.

Try that at university. You will fail every science class you take.

Not necessarily, the people who memorize the basics can better apply them to the more complex theories and fields. You couldn't be a nuclear physicist if you were always counting on your fingers. The farther you go, the more assumptions you must make about past "knowledge." Not exactly leaps of faith, no, but they are still continued assumptions (based around the original, what is it, four of empiricism?).

 

[Cassandra]

I believe we're talking about regurgitating spoon-fed answers.

Yes, someone worked it out, put it in a McGraw-Hill bible, gave it to a teacher, who spoon-feeds us.

Later, we regurgitate the answers when asked the questions.

That's the TheManeki method of answering questions, is it not?

I have to, in a certain sense, agree with AV 0.0

That certain sense being that what he says does seem to apply at least to the 'teach to the test' method that's (often) used in America. I think the only acception was science class...though I did have one professor who taught to the test. She just handed out the exam and we would use it as a study guide. 0.0

TheManeki: You're married? WHY?! WHY DO ALL THE MEN WITH AVATARS I LIKE HAVE TO BE MARRIED?

*sigh*

 

[Danyc]

In certain classes taught by unreliable teachers AVs point may be true. However, we are discussing rigorous university level courses in science.

 

[Cassandra]

In certain classes taught by unreliable teachers AVs point may be true. However, we are discussing rigorous university level courses in science.

As I said, I agree in a certain sense.

Though in my experience the 'teach to the teach' method is a sign of a reliable teacher. Sad, but true.