Was Mary venerated by the Apostles?

[JacktheCatholic]

I was reading about "Our Lady of the Pillar" where the Apostle James (the Great) saw a vision of the Blessed mother on a Poll.

Anyhow... you decide.

Here is more:

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Nuestra Señora del Pilar (Our Lady of the Pillar) is the name given to the Blessed Virgin Mary for her claimed appearance in Spain. Her shrine is in the Basilica of Our Lady of the Pillar in Zaragoza, by the river Ebro.
According to legend, in the early days of the Church, the Apostle James the Greater was evangelizing the Gospel in Caesaraugusta, but his mission was making little progress until miraculously, he saw Mary committing him to Jerusalem. In his vision, she was atop a column or pillar, which was being carried by angels. That pillar is believed to be the same one venerated in Zaragoza today. Miraculous healings have been reported at the scene.

More at:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_the_Pillar

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The Blessed Virgin Mary began making appearances to others of the new Christian faith even before she died. Witness Our Lady of the Pillar by James the (Greater) Apostle in Saragossa in northeast Spain, ca. 40 AD. The Blessed Mother appeared to the despondent missionary while he was deep in prayer, and presented him with column of jasper and a small wooden statue of herself. She instructed him to build a church there, the first ever dedicated to the Virgin Mary:

"This place is to be my house, and this image and column shall be the title and altar of the temple that you shall build."

James later returned to Jerusalem, where he was executed by Herod Agrippa in 44 AD, thus becoming the first apostle to be martyred. The wooden statue and jasper column still reside at Saragossa and are displayed on special occasions in the Compostella cathedral.

More at: http://www.rexresearch.com/mary/maryapps.htm#pillar

 

[E.C.]

I think the mere fact that the first icon was made by the hand of St. Luke and depicted the Theotokos with Christ as a child is an answer enough.

In icons of the Theotokos, she is never depicted without Christ. The only exception being the icon depicting the Annunciation.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

I think the mere fact that the first icon was made by the hand of St. Luke and depicted the Theotokos with Christ as a child is an answer enough.

In icons of the Theotokos, she is never depicted without Christ. The only exception being the icon depicting the Annunciation.

Cool

So there is more history of this preserved with the Orthodox. How very cool.

 

[Hentenza]

Moved to Mariology.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I think the mere fact that the first icon was made by the hand of St. Luke and depicted the Theotokos with Christ as a child is an answer enough.

In icons of the Theotokos, she is never depicted without Christ. The only exception being the icon depicting the Annunciation.

Can you show me the place in the Bible concerning that as I must have missed it, or is that just a tradition? Thanks.

 

[E.C.]

Can you show me the place in the Bible concerning that as I must have missed it, or is that just a tradition? Thanks.

Tradition of the best sort: Apostolic Tradition.

The days before Bibles, heretics and suspicions.

When people would listen to what you said about your own faith and actually believe you. When people had the faith of a child and had complete and utter trust in their much loved leaders. And of course, when people did not ask questions they already knew the answer to. When people lived in a time, when the most reliable source of histories, accounts and biographies came from the same source: the spoken word of mouth.

 

[Dorothea]

Can you show me the place in the Bible concerning that as I must have missed it, or is that just a tradition? Thanks.

I don't know if this counts, but how about when Christ is on the Cross telling Apostle John to behold his mother? Wasn't Christ asking John to revere or "venerate" in a way, His mother?

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Can you show me the place in the Bible concerning that as I must have missed it, or is that just a tradition? Thanks.

I think you got two very good answers.

 

[D'Ann]

Wow... Cool OP. I learned something new today. Thank you.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Moved to Mariology.

This sucks...

I thought it was CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY.

Funny how what I see as Christian Theology is treated like something not Christian. After all isn't that what GENERAL THEOLOGY is for? ALL CHRISTIANS.

This move totally took away the purpose of my thread.

 

[D'Ann]

This sucks...

I thought it was CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY.

Funny how what I see as Christian Theology is treated like something not Christian. After all isn't that what GENERAL THEOLOGY is for? ALL CHRISTIANS.

This move totally took away the purpose of my thread.

The way that news travels around here, people will find their way here. Things will work out right. They most always do.

 

[MrPolo]

Can you show me the place in the Bible concerning that as I must have missed it, or is that just a tradition? Thanks.

Tradition as well as the Holy Spirit speaking through Elizabeth herself:

Luke 1:41-48 And when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit and she exclaimed with a loud cry, "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! And why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? For behold, when the voice of your greeting came to my ears, the babe in my womb leaped for joy. And blessed is she who believed that there would be a fulfilment of what was spoken to her from the Lord." And Mary said, "My soul magnifies the Lord, and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior, for he has regarded the low estate of his handmaiden. For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed.​

 

[MrPolo]

I think the mere fact that the first icon was made by the hand of St. Luke and depicted the Theotokos with Christ as a child is an answer enough.

Do you have a link to info. on this icon??

 

[the_Abbot]

Do you have a link to info. on this icon??

I believe this is the icon EmperorConstantine is talking about.

http://images.google.com/imgres?img...ages?q=st.+luke+icon&um=1&hl=en&safe=off&sa=N

 

[MrPolo]

I believe this is the icon EmperorConstantine is talking about.

Thanks, I mean something detailing the authenticity and history of the icon. Does someone have a link?

 

[sunlover1]

Tradition of the best sort: Apostolic Tradition.

The days before Bibles, heretics and suspicions.

The Bible is a problem?

When people would listen to what you said about your own faith and actually believe you.

Discernment is an asset.

When people had the faith of a child and had complete and utter trust in their much loved leaders.

We should have the faith of a child in some things,
and in others we should check the Scriptures and make
sure those things said are true. Mary Worship isnt mentioned
in Scripture, and so I believe that I'm pleasing God if I
honor her as blessed among women and leave it at that.
(Unless He shows me otherwise in the future)

When people lived in a time, when the most reliable source of histories, accounts and biographies came from the same source: the spoken word of mouth.

Who's mouth?
I look for the time when man will live by every word that
proceeds from the mouth of God.
That time will come!

 

[MamaZ]

I don't know if this counts, but how about when Christ is on the Cross telling Apostle John to behold his mother? Wasn't Christ asking John to revere or "venerate" in a way, His mother?

No Actually He was giving Mary to the care of John...Now mind you only to John. Tradtions says that Mary lived with John until her death.

 

[MrPolo]

No Actually He was giving Mary to the care of John...Now mind you only to John. Tradtions says that Mary lived with John until her death.

Tradition also venerates Mary and holds that John represented Christians in that verse. The "Jesus just gave Mary to John's care and nothing more" theory leaves the fact that Jesus calls Mary John's "mother" unresolved.

 

[sunlover1]

Tradition also venerates Mary and holds that John represented Christians in that verse. The "Jesus just gave Mary to John's care and nothing more" theory leaves the fact that Jesus calls Mary John's "mother" unresolved.

He spoke this way in Matthew:

Matthew 12
But he answered and said unto him that told him,
Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples,
and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven,
the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
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[MamaZ]

Tradition also venerates Mary and holds that John represented Christians in that verse. The "Jesus just gave Mary to John's care and nothing more" theory leaves the fact that Jesus calls Mary John's "mother" unresolved.

AWell now lets look at what Jesus did.. When something was for all the dixciples He would tell that diciple to go and tell the others. At this point and time He did not do this so this is very important to understand what Jesus was doing here.. Depends on what tradtion you look too. You have CC Tradtion and you have EO tradition and then you have tradition..