Christian Wicca, or Wiccan Christianity

[Wiccan_Child]

How on Earth does this work? Surely Wicca and Christianity are worlds apart?

Or is it a case of people trying to have their cake and eat it (the Christian's trinity springs to mind)?

 

[anatolian]

Once a satanist/actually pagan said to me that Christianity is like Paganism on another platform.He was using the flag of Vatican as an avatar either.

Probably they just want to do what they desire without any dictation..

 

[morningstar2651]

How on Earth does this work? Surely Wicca and Christianity are worlds apart?

Or is it a case of people trying to have their cake and eat it (the Christian's trinity springs to mind)?

Well, here is what Gerald Gardner had to write on that subject.

I can see no real reason why one cannot be a good enough though unorthodox Christian and a witch at the same time. It seems to me easier than being a Christian and a Communist. The Christian who thinks reincarnation heresy, who will not countenance any form of superstition and belongs to the Sabbath Day Observance League, would certainly not make a good witch.

 

[InnocentOdion]

If someone wants to combine two faiths, let them. It's not our place to tell them they can't or they're wrong or they're too different. If they can work the kinks out, and they're happy, then surely it's good enough for pagans?

 

[InnocentOdion]

If someone wants to combine two faiths, let them. It's not our place to tell them they can't or they're wrong or they're too different. If they can work the kinks out, and they're happy, then surely it's good enough for pagans?

 

[InnocentOdion]

What the?
CF is really screwy.

 

[Caitlin.ann]

I don't think Christianity and Wicca can easily be melded together, but I do believe one can practice Christianity and Witchcraft.

 

[Philothei]

How on Earth does this work? Surely Wicca and Christianity are worlds apart?

Or is it a case of people trying to have their cake and eat it (the Christian's trinity springs to mind)?

They do not mix... period.

 

[Philothei]

How on Earth does this work? Surely Wicca and Christianity are worlds apart?

Or is it a case of people trying to have their cake and eat it (the Christian's trinity springs to mind)?

They do not mix... period.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

If someone wants to combine two faiths, let them. It's not our place to tell them they can't or they're wrong or they're too different. If they can work the kinks out, and they're happy, then surely it's good enough for pagans?

But that's just it: can they work out? I'm not bothered about what religion people practice; it's really a non-issue to me. I am interested in how Christian Wiccans reconcile the theological gulf between the two.

What the?
CF is really screwy.

Agreed! Let's hope it sorts itself out before Cthulhu rises from the deep.

 

[sbvera13]

I'm not going to suggest that anyone can't do what they like with their faith; they can. But really, the two don't seem to mix. I don't see any way to reconcile the idea of Christ as Savior (and the prerequisite Original Sin, and the again prerequisite wrathful god) with nature worship. They don't seem to mix well. If someone can explain to me how it works I would be grateful.

 

[InnocentOdion]

But that's just it: can they work out? I'm not bothered about what religion people practice; it's really a non-issue to me. I am interested in how Christian Wiccans reconcile the theological gulf between the two.


Agreed! Let's hope it sorts itself out before Cthulhu rises from the deep.

I've managed to hypothetically come up with a way they could work, remember? It involves a LOT of change, so they aren't really traditional Christianity and Wicca any more. But you still can reconcile them.

It does involve removing the angry God, original sin, hell and eternal punishment, adding a Goddess (I think the Holy Spirit is the Goddess of Christianity originally but shhh) and then saying "oooh but that word doesn't MEAAAAAN witch, it means poisoner, necromancer!", loving the earth (hey, God created us to take care of the earth, according to Genesis! just go a little bit further and call it 'nature veneration'. Catholics have been doing it for a long time.)

 

[elijah115]

I don't see in anyway how anyone could be both.

 

[sidhe]

A wee bit of knowledge in this area...

1) Start with some reworking of the OT, remembering that Judaism was, at one point, a polytheistic religion. Work that back in.

2) Jesus...eh. Gets complicated, depending on who you ask, so I'll subsection this.

a) If you're dealing with a Christian who does witchcraft, you can have a completely orthodox view of Jesus, the Trinity, etc., with some candle magic, tarot, and such thrown in.

b) If you're talking about an authentic, mid-eastern pagan who has included Jesus in their theology, things go on from here, depending...more subsections...

i) Jesus is a spiritual ideal and metaphor, not a real person.
ii) Jesus is an ascended teacher, master, etc.
iii) My favorite I've heard...Jesus was a Thelemic prophet whose message was horribly distorted over the years.
iv) Jesus is the son of the goddess.
v) Jesus is deity, inasmuch as we are ALL deity. He just realized this and was able to act like a deity on earth.

3) Throw out eternal punishment, original sin (unless you redefine sin...usually to ignorance rather than incorrect behavior...then go NaChSh = MaShYCh and have your head explode with TEH CABALAZ!), and have some fun with the first commandment (No other Gods before you? Can I have other Gods, if they come after you? Doesn't say I can't! WIN!), and, y'know, reinterpret the Bible as much as any other Christian does, but to a different end.

4) Generally, but not always, get a big devotion to the Virgin Mary, Mary Magdalene, and St. Sophia.

Now, that's more an overview of ChristoPaganism, but the same general techniques can be applied to merging Christianity with any specific pagan path.

The christopagans. I have married them.

 

[sidhe]

A wee bit of knowledge in this area...

1) Start with some reworking of the OT, remembering that Judaism was, at one point, a polytheistic religion. Work that back in.

2) Jesus...eh. Gets complicated, depending on who you ask, so I'll subsection this.

a) If you're dealing with a Christian who does witchcraft, you can have a completely orthodox view of Jesus, the Trinity, etc., with some candle magic, tarot, and such thrown in.

b) If you're talking about an authentic, mid-eastern pagan who has included Jesus in their theology, things go on from here, depending...more subsections...

i) Jesus is a spiritual ideal and metaphor, not a real person.
ii) Jesus is an ascended teacher, master, etc.
iii) My favorite I've heard...Jesus was a Thelemic prophet whose message was horribly distorted over the years.
iv) Jesus is the son of the goddess.
v) Jesus is deity, inasmuch as we are ALL deity. He just realized this and was able to act like a deity on earth.

3) Throw out eternal punishment, original sin (unless you redefine sin...usually to ignorance rather than incorrect behavior...then go NaChSh = MaShYCh and have your head explode with TEH CABALAZ!), and have some fun with the first commandment (No other Gods before you? Can I have other Gods, if they come after you? Doesn't say I can't! WIN!), and, y'know, reinterpret the Bible as much as any other Christian does, but to a different end.

4) Generally, but not always, get a big devotion to the Virgin Mary, Mary Magdalene, and St. Sophia.

Now, that's more an overview of ChristoPaganism, but the same general techniques can be applied to merging Christianity with any specific pagan path.

The christopagans. I have married them.

 

[InnocentOdion]

The christopagans. I have married them.

Oo, can you elaborate on this?

 

[Pinki]

Its simple - Seek first the kingdom of God.

Wicca and Christianity don't mix. For a time, practices of both belief systems could be adheared to, but over time, Jesus will prevail!

That's the truth, and it is my prayer!

 

[InnocentOdion]

Its simple - Seek first the kingdom of God.

Wicca and Christianity don't mix. For a time, practices of both belief systems could be adheared to, but over time, Jesus will prevail!

That's the truth, and it is my prayer!

But he didn't prevail over me. :-/
I still believe in him, but it ain't Christianity any more.

 

[sidhe]

Oo, can you elaborate on this?

My partner is a christopagan-type person. Thus, I've learned a fair bit about the theology, etc.

 

[InnocentOdion]

My partner is a christopagan-type person. Thus, I've learned a fair bit about the theology, etc.

Oh, cool
Do you think then, for sure, they can marry?