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Easter - Pascha

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They are totally different this year...and a thot occurred to me as i left work today...
Naturally thinking about the equinox and the Jewish Passover...
And we celebrate in line with the Jewish Passover.

But how does the EO celebrate Pascha? How does their calander decide when Easter is? O I mean Pascha?:priest:
 

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But how does the EO celebrate Pascha?
I will answer with two responses.

The first is a quote. "Orthodoxy is life; one can not talk about it, one must live it." - St. Necktary of Optina.

The second is thusly: around 11:30pm (Holy Saturday) we begin. We do all the Pascha stuff and then immediately go into the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom. The Liturgy usually ends around 2am (hey, we know how to worship these big feast days!) and is followed by a meal with enough meat, cheese and all other foods to make PETA attempt to sue all the Orthodox Churches of the world. We do this because the Fast is over and that is how we celebrate that.

Sleep...

Around 11am (Sunday) we go back to the church and hear the Gospel in different languages. Not the whole thing in many languages, but broken up and a different language has a part in the overall Gospel itself. At my parish, languages that we usually hear include but are not limited to: English, Greek, Russian, Old Slavonic, Norwegian, German, French, Swahili, Arabic, Latin and I believe a few others. It all depends on who can speak and read what language.

After church, than we have the largest conceivable food fest ever imagined by man. You will grow at least two pants sizes in one day.;)


But the main bit of worshiping is not so much on Sunday itself during the day, but waaay early in the morning. So early, we begin on Saturday!


I can not explain Pascha any better than that. It truly is a time when the only thing one can do is to come and see.
 
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After church, than we have the largest conceivable food fest ever imagined by man. You will grow at least two pants sizes in one day.;)
^_^

Watch out for Peta...i think they might stand outside in one of their animal costumes and picket Church. [:doh:]

Prod, we go by the Passover, and we do it ON the Passover.
When it comes to Easter/Pashca we do not celebrate on a certain Calander, we go by the equinox which is how the Jews know when to do Passover.

God Bless.
 
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^_^

Watch out for Peta...i think they might stand outside in one of their animal costumes and picket Church. [:doh:]

Prod, we go by the Passover, and we do it ON the Passover.
When it comes to Easter/Pashca we do not celebrate on a certain Calander, we go by the equinox which is how the Jews know when to do Passover.

God Bless.

Passover begins on April 19th this year. That's why Pascha is on April 27th.

First Sunday after the first full moon after the Vernal Equinox, and on/after the first day of Passover.

Mary
 
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WarriorAngel said:
Prod, ...
My name is John, which you should know seeing as I sign almost every one of my posts. I have asked you before not to take liberties with the name of my patron saint.

John
 
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In the 4th century Council was decided NOT to follow the Jewish Easter but it was decided that Pascha is the Sunday after first full moon after the Equinox of Spring (the day when the Sun covers all the world).

The Equinox is something from astronomy: there is NO doubt about it ---> the first full moon after the equinox (easy to be find)----> next Sunday is Pascha. (for 2008: Vernal Equinox is 20 March (link)---> full moon is 21 March (link)---->Pascha is 23 March (link))

The Western Christians PERFECTLY follows this rule
The Eastern Christians do NO more follow this rule.


Why? because in the IV or V century was prepared a book for the calculation of Pascha (called Paschalia, that is NOT printed in the Nicean Council): this book wanted to follow the above rule, but it has errors:
- in some year this book has errors of calculation (about 2 or 3 days), and
- this book starts on the Julian calendar, that runs too fast: so the vernal equinox calculated with the Julian calendar is NOT the astronomy one, but it is about 15 days after it.

The sum of the two above mistakes has the result that the Estern Church, who still follow such un-correct book, do NO MORE follow the IV century rule, and in the future they are going to celerate Pascha in August...
 
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a_ntv said:
In the 4th century Council was decided NOT to follow the Jewish Easter but it was decided that Pascha is the Sunday after first full moon after the Equinox of Spring (the day when the Sun covers all the world).
Can you post a link to the relevant council and its decisions?

John
 
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Can you post a link to the relevant council and its decisions?
Actually the decision was taken in the Nicean Council, but it was not included in the decrees of the Council (so it is technically not binding) and it has not been preserved to us.
But we have a document in Eusebius "Live of Costantinus" where the emperator, who was enforcing the decision of the council, said: "At this meeting the question concerning the most holy day of Easter was discussed, and it was resolved by the united judgment of all present that this feast ought to be kept by all and in every place on one and the same day. . . And first of all it appeared an unworthy thing that in the celebration of the Jews, who have impiously defiled their hands with enormous sin. . . for we have received from our Saviour a different way. . . And I myself have undertaken that this decision should meet with the approval of your Sagacities in the hope that your Wisdoms will gladly admit that practice which is observed at once in the city of Rome and in Africa, throughout Italy and in Egypt. . . with entire unity of judgment."

The main ideas are two:
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no attention has to be paid to the Jews Easter
- the Roman way to calculate it shall be followed (we know it was the calculated as the first Sunday after the full Moon after the equinox)

So we can surely say (see this article in the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America site) the First Ecumenical Council convened at Nicaea in 325 took up the issue. It determined that Pascha should be celebrated on the Sunday which follows the first full moon after the vernal equinox-the actual beginning of spring.
On this point there is a full agreement between the EO and the the CC
The EO Paschalion is built on this principle (the problem is that it has little errors that sum year after year in both the calculation of the equinox and in the calculation of the new moon)

So, this year 2008, if we all could choose some place on earth, say Jerusalem, to observe the celestial events according to the mandate of Nicea: Then, as stated by Nicea, observe the spring equinox, observe the full moon, go to church the very next Sunday and celebrate Pascha. It's as simple, as straightforward as that. If we do this first, without any prior reference to a calendar to argue about, and then check the date (using the US civil calendar in order to be neutral), we will find it to be March 23, Pascha according to the Gregorian reckoning and not April 27, Pascha according to the Julian reckoning, the "traditional Paschalia."

In the Orthodox Church Easter must fall after Passover. In the Catholic and Western Churches there is not that requirement.
As I wrote above the requirments of the Nicean Council were not to pay attention to the Jewish Passover, NOT to look at Jeswish Passover to fix the Christian Easter.
And actually there have been a couple of years in the V and VI century when the EO (and the Latin) celebrated Pascha before Jewish Passover, that because in the first centuries the errors accumulated by the Pascalion were still few ones.

So it is not true that the Orthodox Church Easter MUST fall after Passover (it is contrary to the Nicean Council). It happens now only because the errors accumulated in the Pascalion because of the past centuries
 
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Ah yes, dear old Gregory imposing a new calender without consulting the rest of the church. palestinianboy describes it here but for the sake of discussion on this forum, I will post it here.
The Date of Holy Easter

The date of the celebration of Easter was defined by the First Ecumenical Council of Nicaea in the year 325 A.D.
In this First Ecumenical Council the entire Christian Church of the East and the West was represented by 318 Bishops; therefore, no authority or Church could oppose or change this unanimous decision, unless through another Ecumenical Council.
This Holy Council of Nicaea, in the year 325 A.D., decreed the regulations for the calculation of the date of Easter for the whole of Christianity, so that all Christians might celebrate Easter on the same day every year.
These regulations of the First Ecumenical Council are based on the Seventh Apostolic Canon, which reads as follows: "If a Bishop or Priest, or Deacon celebrates the Holy Day of Easter before the vernal equinox, or with the Jews, let him be deposed".
The regulations of the First Ecumenical Council concerning the calculation of the date of Easter were handed down to us by the Council of Antioch in 341 A.D., which had received the decision concerning Easter from the First Ecumenical Council. This is also corroborated by the testimonies of Athanasius the Great and St. Epiphanius of Cyprus.
These regulations of the First Ecumenical Council are as follows:
1. "That Easter must always be celebrated on a Sunday".
2. "That Easter must never be celebrated on the same day as the Jewish Passover".
3. "That Easter should never be celebrated on or before the vernal equinox of any year".
It should also be noted here, that Cyril the Patriarch of Alexandria, in his Paschal Circular, stated:
"The Ecumenical Council unanimously voted that the Church of Alexandria, because of its noted astronomers, would announce to the Church of Rome every year the date of Easter, and Rome in turn would announce it to the other Churches".
This did not mean that the Church of Rome would determine the date of Easter, but that she would announce it to the Churches of the West, after the date was determined by the Church of Alexandria.

EXPLANATION OF THE ABOVE MENTIONED REGULATIONS
(1) The First regulation, "that Easter must always be celebrated on a Sunday", was adopted because at that time there were Christians who celebrated Easter on Friday, that is on the day of "Crucifixion", rather than on the day of Resurrection.
(2) The second regulation, "that Easter must never be celebrated on or before the Jewish Passover", was adopted because, according to the Holy Gospel, Christ was crucified during the week of the Hebrew Passover, and was taken down from the Cross on the eve of the Sabbath, and arose on the following day, after the Jewish Sabbath.
(3) The third regulation, "that Easter should never be celebrated on or before the vernal equinox", was adopted because otherwise Easter might be celebrated twice in one year, and when this happened, it would naturally not be celebrated at all in the following year.
The astronomers of that time, informed the Fathers of the Ecumenical Council that the vernal equinox fell on the 21st of March in the year 325, in which they had convened, and not on the 18th of March, which was the date previously designated by Pope Hippolytus as the vernal equinox.
From these regulations of the First Ecumenical Council, we have the following rule for the fixing of the date of Easter:
"Easter is to be celebrated on the first Sunday following the full moon of the vernal equinox, after the end of the Hebrew Passover".
At the time of the First Ecumenical Council of 325 A.D., the Julian Calendar was in use. Consequently the date of the vernal equinox was the 21st of March according to the Julian calendar, which as we shall see, is longer by 11 minutes and 13 plus seconds than the solar or tropical year.
But someone may ask, "What is the Julian Calendar?"

MEANING OF THE JULIAN CALENDAR
The Julian Calendar is the one adopted in the year 45 B.C., and taking the name from Julius Caesar, who was the Emperor of Rome at that time.
Julius Caesar had invited the famous Alexandrian Astronomer Sosigenes to correct the Roman calendar then in use. Sosigenes based his calendar on the revolution of the earth around the sun, which he calculated to be 365 days and 6 hours, and these 6 hours made up one day every four years, which is the 29th of February in the Leap years.
But Sosigenes made a small mistake in his calculations. The tropical or solar year, which is the time required for the earth to make one complete revolution around the sun, is actually 365 days, 5 hours, 48 minutes and 46 plus seconds. This meant that the Julian year is longer than the actual tropical or solar year by 11 minutes and 13 plus seconds, which in the course of 128 years, makes one whole day. Consequently, the equinox of spring, on which depended the fixing of faster began to recede from the 21st of March by 11 minutes and 13 plus seconds. As time went on, beginning with the year 325 (the year of the Ecumenical Council) , for every 128 years, the 21st of March on the Julian Calendar came a day before the real tropical or solar vernal equinox. This discrepancy between the Julian calendar and the solar year was corrected each year by the Church, up to the end of the 8th century. However, after the 8th century this correction was neglected.
In the 14th century the Greek astronomers noticed that the vernal equinox of the tropical or solar year was delayed; also Nicephorus Gregoras, a Priest of Constantinople, made a proposal to the Emperor Andronicus Paleologus in 1325, to correct the equinox of the Julian calendar by eliminating the 11 minutes and 13 plus seconds in order to better apply the decision of the First Ecumenical Council concerning the date of Easter. But the Emperor, although he knew that this proposition was correct and justified, did not accept it, fearing that such a change would confuse the people.
In the West, when it became known through the Byzantines that the Julian calendar was not accurate, several synods such as those of Constantia, Basilia, and Trent, made an issue of this inaccuracy. Finally Pope Gregory the 13th, after conferring with the leading astronomers of the West, made an official Decree on February 24th, 1582, abolishing the Julian Calendar and supplanting it with the Gregorian Calendar.

WHAT IS THE GREGORIAN CALENDAR?
The Gregorian Calendar is nothing more than a correction of the Julian Calendar from the year 325 A.D. That is, the 10 days that had aggregated from 325 to 1582, because of the 11 minutes and 13 plus seconds gained by the use of the Julian Calendar, were cut off the month of October, and the 5th of October in the Julian Calendar in 1582 was called the 15th of October in the Gregorian Calendar. Also to make this Gregorian calendar agree with the real tropical or solar year -- because the Gregorian Calendar is not completely accurate either, it was necessary to remove one day from every 400 year period. This correction of the Julian Calendar was called the Gregorian Calendar, which amounts to the omitting of 10 days in the year 1582, making the 5th day of October the 15th day of October.
This self-authorized act of Pope Gregory the 13th was not accepted by the Orthodox Churches of the East, not because the Eastern Churches did not realize the inaccuracy of the Julian Calendar, for they were the ones to point it out, but because of something more important, as the Patriarch of Constantinople, Jeremiah the 2nd wrote:
1. "The Pope Gregory the 13th acted without authority in enforcing the Gregorian Calendar, i.e., he did not act through an Ecumenical Council but through the attribute which he claimed by "divine right, to be the Vicar of Christ and supreme pontifex of the entire Christian Church".
2. "The Church of Rome wished to use the question of the calendar as a means of propaganda to make the Orthodox Christians believe that by accepting the Gregorian Calendar, they would automatically recognize the primacy of the Pope".
For these reasons the Patriarchs of the East, under the leadership of Patriarch Jeremiah the 2nd of Constantinople, severely criticized, in a synod at Constantinople 1593 the method employed to impose the Gregorian Calendar, as well as the Gregorian Calendar itself, because, apart from the reasons mentioned above by the Patriarch, it also allowed Easter to be celebrated on or before the Hebrew Passover, which is not in keeping with the chronology as mentioned in the Holy Gospel concerning the Crucifixion during the Hebrew Passover, and Resurrection of Christ, after the Hebrew Passover, and the decision of the First Ecumenical Council as noted above.
Easter was celebrated by the Western Churches according to the Gregorian Calendar before the Jewish Passover in the years 1856, 1864, 1875, 1891, 1894, 1902, etc.
Easter was celebrated by the Western Churches, according to the Gregorian Calendar, together with the Jewish Passover in the years 1805, 1825, 1905, etc., 1956.
In the meantime, the Eastern Churches, following the Julian Calendar, celebrated Easter after the Jewish Passover, in accordance with the decision of the First Ecumenical Council, and the sequence of events of the First Easter as recorded in the New Testament.
It should be noted that although the Gregorian year shortened the Julian year and corrected it, the Gregorian year is not itself completely in agreement with the tropical or solar year, since it is over 25 plus seconds longer than the tropical year.
The Eastern Orthodox Churches continued to calculate the date of Easter, as we have seen, according to the provisions of the First Ecumenical Council, and in order to make the tropical year coincide with the Julian Calendar, which was in use at the time of the First Ecumenical Council, the Eastern Orthodox Churches added 11 minutes and 13 plus seconds to the tropical or solar year, for each year since the year 325.
In the years in which these calculations cause Easter to be celebrated on or before the Hebrew Passover, the Eastern Orthodox Churches celebrate Easter on a LATER SUNDAY.


HOW DO WE FIND THIS LATER SUNDAY?
In order to calculate the date of Easter we must consider the following:
From the year 325, in which the First Ecumenical Council convened, up to the present time, there is a difference of 13 days between the Julian Calendar and the tropical or solar year. To calculate the date of Easter according to the Eastern Orthodox Church, and the council of Nicaea which convened in 325 by the Julian Calendar, we must add these 13 days to the 21st of March, which was the vernal equinox in the year 325 of both the solar year and the Julian Calendar. This makes the 21st of March of the Julian and solar calendar the 3rd of April of the corrected Julian Calendar and the Gregorian Calendar. Therefore, to be in conformity with the decision of the First Ecumenical Council, Easter cannot fall before the 3rd of April of the Gregorian Calendar, but must fall on the first Sunday following the full moon of the vernal equinox, provided the Hebrew Passover has ended.
According to these calculations then, since the first full moon after the 3rd of April falls this year, 1956 on the 24th of April, Easter should be celebrated on the 29th of April.
However, we observe that Easter is being celebrated on May the 6th this year by all the Eastern Orthodox Churches.
We arrive at the date of May 6th by the calculation of the Jewish Passover according to the Julian Calendar.
The Jews celebrated their Passover this year on March 27th, that is one day after the full moon, and ended the Passover on April 3rd.
However, we cannot use this calculation of the Jewish Passover, since in the year 360 A.D. the Sanhedrin of Tibereas, through the efforts of the Rabbi astronomers Samuel, Raba and Hillel the II made a new Hebrew Calendar based on the calculations of Hipparchus and Meton.
We must, as in the case of the calculation of Easter according to the Julian Calendar, calculate the date of the Hebrew Passover according to the method used at the time of the First Ecumenical Council of 325.
Concerning the feast of the Passover, Josephus (Ant. I. iii, 3 ) tells us that "Moses appointed that Nisan which is the same with Xanthicus, should be the first month of their festivals because he brought them out of Egypt in that month; so that this month began the year".
The early Hebrews fixed the dates of the feast of the Passover from the appearance of the new moon, which they designated as the first day of Nisan and from this they fixed the 14th of Nisan on which the full moon fell. "And in the fourteenth day of the first month is the Passover of the Lord. And in the fifteenth day of this month is the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread be eaten". (Num. 28: 16, 17, Lev. 23:4, 5.)
Since the Hebrew Passover was celebrated on the full moon following the 21st of March, which was the vernal equinox of the year 325 of the First Ecumenical Council, and also the 1st of Nisan of the Hebrew Calendar, we must in principal compute the Hebrew Passover according to the Julian Calendar, which was in use at that time. Transposing the 21st of March of the year 325 to the year 1956 makes it, as we have seen, April 3rd. The full moon following April 3rd falls on the 24th of April this year. This then, is the 14th of Nisan, the eve of the Jewish Passover. The 25th of April is then the 15th of Nisan, on which the feast of the Passover begins. It lasts for seven days, or until the 1st of May. The Sunday following the 1st of May is May 6th, which is our Easter Sunday.


Accordingly Easter will be celebrated by the Eastern Orthodox Churches throughout the world on:
2006 April 23th
2007 April 8th
2008 April 27th
2009 April 19th
 
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To further expand on post #15 and debunk the silly explanation of a_ntv , I would like to add a few comments:

The calculation of Pascha formulated at Nicea is simply the formula which was in use in Alexandria. This formula stated that Pascha is to be celebrated on the first sunday AFTER the first full moon anotherwords never on or before the passover. Passover falls on the first vernal fullmoon, thus if the fullmoon is on a weekend, Pascha Sunday is moved up one week- as the Nicea stipulation states (that its after the fullmoon).

The new innovation that Pascha does not take the jewish passover into account is the modern myth of the ecumenists.

St John Chrysostom writes an entire epistle on this in his book "Against the Judaizers" in 387 a.d. when Pascha fell on a late date, Many started to observe the Lent earlier than what the Church had decreed, the misinformed followed the date of the jewish passover.

St John Chrysostom says, " More than 300 Fathers assembled in the land of Bythinia in Nicea, decreed this, that is- Pascha must not be celebrated simultaneously with the jewish passover, and you dishonor them in this way..."
At that time John Chrysostom had to battle the Audiani who held onto a 'revised' quartodeciman belief (the jews fixed their date for passover in 363 a.d. and thus done away with inaccuracy)thus this was not a case of celebrating with the jews before the equinox).-

Audianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But to leave no stone unturned lets look at Canon 1 of Antioch held in 341 a.d.which mentions the formula of Nicea and its prohibition of celebrating Pascha on or before the passover: Under the gregorian calendar this canon, which is part of the Nicea formula was violated in 1825.

NPNF2-14. The Seven Ecumenical Councils | Christian Classics Ethereal Library

A second aspect of the calculation of Pascha formulated at Nicea which Judaism also takes into account but not in the west, is called the Metonic cycle also refered to as the Callipic cycle. This is a 19 year cycle of 235 lunations. A brief explanations:
Metonic cycle

St Ambrose of Milan in his epistle to the bishops of Emilia in 386 a.d. issued an encyclical concerning the lateness of Pascha in 387 a.d., the same issue St John Chrysostom faced in Antioch. St Ambrose writes:
"The determination of the Feast of Pascha according to Holy Scripture and the Holy Tradition of the Fathers who assembled at the Synod at Nicea requires not alittle wisdom. Among from other marvelous rules of faith, the holy fathers along with the aid of experienced men appointed to determine the aforementioned feast day, produced a calculation for its date of 19 years duration and established a cycle of sorts that became model for ensuing years. The cycle they called the "nonus decenial" , its goal being the sacrifice of the Ressurection of Christ at all places in the same night."

St Cyril of Alexandria in his epistle to Pope St. Leo of Rome writes, "Let us carefully examine what the Synod in Nicea decreed with regard to the calculation of the 14 moons of each month of the nineteen year Paschal cycle, for at every ensuing synod, it has been decreed that No church may do anything at odds with the resolution agreed upon at the Synod of Nicea on Pascha."

There is no evidence in the early church following Nicea, that Pascha was celebrated before the passover as the ecumenists imply. Only in 333 a.d. according to St Athanasius the great Pascha was pushed back one week because it coincided with Rome's celebration of their Anniversary day.


With that said the Eastern Orthodox Church cannot hold a fixed date for the spring equinox for the same reason the Fathers of the Church neglected updating it, its about a liturgical cycle of feast days. The astronomical calendar which is used for the fixed feast days and the lunar calendar used for the moveable days can never be perfectly synchronized. Even the gregorian calendar lags about 20 seconds a year and eventually a conflict will arise and begin to overlap the fasting feast days with those days which fasts are not permitted. A church calendar is not based on astronomical accuracy but on liturgical accuracy
 
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