Creationist Tours of the Denver Museum of Nature & Science

[Split Rock]

I just watched an ABC News item on a pair of Creationists named Bill Jack and Rusty Carter who lead private tours of the Denver Museum of Nature & Science. They tell the children they guide that the science the museum shows them is "psuedo science," propaganda," and "fairy tales."

Included in the online article on the news story are a couple of whoppers they tell the children:

They said the T-Rex was vegetarian because at the time of the Creation, there was no such thing as death, so a T-Rex could not have eaten meat. There was no death until Adam and Eve ate forbidden fruit from the tree of knowledge, they continued, and God's revenge was to curse the world with death.

Jack asked, "If this creature was designed to eat meat from the very start, what would he have to do until Adam and Eve sinned and death entered the world? What would he have to do?" The children replied in chorus, "Starve."

"Fast and pray for The Fall. Is that likely?" Jack asked. "The answer is, everyone look at me and say, 'No.' Try that with me.'"

"No!" the children replied.

Bill Jack asked his group, "How do they date the fossil? By the layer in which they find it. They date the layer by the fossil and the fossil by the layer," he said. "That's circular reasoning."

"I've chosen to believe the God of the Bible," said Jack. "Now the evolutionist has chosen not to believe the God of the Bible. So we've chosen to believe they're both matters of faith."

Well done Mr Jack and Mr Carter... well done!

Link: http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/FaithMatters/Story?id=4467337&page=1

 

[peter22]

Intellectual suicide at its gaudiest.

 

[lemmings]

I wonder why they don't teach these types of things to scientists who actually understand the ……

 

[MoonLancer]

I just watched an ABC News item on a pair of Creationists named Bill Jack and Rusty Carter who lead private tours of the Denver Museum of Nature & Science. They tell the children they guide that the science the museum shows them is "psuedo science," propaganda," and "fairy tales."

Included in the online article on the news story are a couple of whoppers they tell the children:

Well done Mr Jack and Mr Carter... well done!

Link: http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/FaithMatters/Story?id=4467337&page=1

talk about child abuse...

 

[AV1611VET]

I just watched an ABC News item on a pair of Creationists named Bill Jack and Rusty Carter who lead private tours of the Denver Museum of Nature & Science.

I get tired of hearing about this T. Rex junk ---

They said the T-Rex was vegetarian because at the time of the Creation, there was no such thing as death, so a T-Rex could not have eaten meat. There was no death until Adam and Eve ate forbidden fruit from the tree of knowledge, they continued, and God's revenge was to curse the world with death.

T. Rex, in my opinion, didn't live before the Fall --- he came afterward.

 

[ChordatesLegacy]

I get tired of hearing about this T. Rex junk ---



T. Rex, in my opinion, didn't live before the Fall --- he came afterward.

I have always got a soft spot for people who stand their ground; even when they are wrong.

However, we do agree on one thing; these people are indoctrinating children with lies and falsehoods.

 

[Patashu]

I get tired of hearing about this T. Rex junk ---



T. Rex, in my opinion, didn't live before the Fall --- he came afterward.

Well, it avoids one problem to come into another; where did T-Rex come from so abruptly?

 

[AV1611VET]

I have always got a soft spot for people who stand their ground; even when they are wrong.

Aah --- that was a cheap shot. You have a long way to go, if you want to prove this boy wrong.

However, we do agree on one thing; these people are indoctrinating children with lies and falsehoods.

I didn't say that.

 

[AV1611VET]

Well, it avoids one problem to come into another; where did T-Rex come from so abruptly?

How would I know? Maybe he sprang from the satyr or the unicorn (and I'm being serious here). Or one of those other kinds that taxonomists "conveniently" left off their lists.

 

[ChordatesLegacy]

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I didn't say that.

My apologies if I miss interpreted your meaning: I though you were disagreeing with what these people are telling the public on the museum tours.

As for proving you wrong; all I have to do is look out my window at the early Carboniferous cliffs in the distance: evidence my dear boy evidence.

 

[Patashu]

How would I know? Maybe he sprang from the satyr or the unicorn (and I'm being serious here). Or one of those other kinds that taxonomists "conveniently" left off their lists.

Well, it would be nice if you had a plausible, justified mechanism in your theory on the origins of tyrannosaurus rex, but I guess we can't always have what we want eh?

I don't want to stray off-topic though so I'll leave it at that.

 

[Tomk80]

How would I know? Maybe he sprang from the satyr or the unicorn (and I'm being serious here).

AV, you never seize to amaze me.

Or one of those other kinds that taxonomists "conveniently" left off their lists.

Oh please, do tell which.

 

[AV1611VET]

My apologies if I miss interpreted your meaning: I though you were disagreeing with what these people are telling the public on the museum tours.

Yes, they're telling the public wrong (again, in my opinion), but that doesn't mean they are lying to them. And don't think I didn't catch that word you used - (indoctrinating).

Like I've said before, my wife and I can't go to a planetarium to see a nebula without having to listen to a 15-minute lecture on how it formed "millions of years ago."

Or watch a documentary on Animal Planet without having to hear how animal limbs evolved.

 

[AV1611VET]

Well, it would be nice if you had a plausible, justified mechanism in your theory on the origins of tyrannosaurus rex, but I guess we can't always have what we want eh?

Why? I'm not a taxonomist. That's not my bag. Like I said, you "scientists" need to quit horsing around on the Internet, bugging us Christians. Don't you have some real work to do?

 

[ChordatesLegacy]

Yes, they're telling the public wrong (again, in my opinion), but that doesn't mean they are lying to them. And don't think I didn't catch that word you used - (indoctrinating).

Like I've said before, my wife and I can't go to a planetarium to see a nebula without having to listen to a 15-minute lecture on how it formed "millions of years ago."[/font][/size]

Or watch a documentary on Animal Planet without having to hear how animal limbs evolved.

Of course your answer would be GODDIDIT, but that is very unfulfilling to an inquisitive mind. That’s where indoctrination comes in, i.e. answers without evidence and total acceptance. .

 

[AV1611VET]

Oh please, do tell which.

How about these, for starters?

 

[Tomk80]

Why? I'm not a taxonomist. That's not my bag. Like I said, you "scientists" need to quit horsing around on the Internet, bugging us Christians. Don't you have some real work to do?

Nobody is forcing you to read and post here.

 

[Patashu]

Actually, scientists are doing work so I don't see the problem.

 

[Tomk80]

How about these, for starters?

Thanks AV, that really made me laugh.

 

[AV1611VET]

Of course your answer would be GODDIDIT, but that is very unfulfilling to an inquisitive mind.

Well, there's nothing wrong with having an inquisitive mind; but when that inquisitive mind hears a lecture on something that violates Scripture, then that inquisitive mind needs to investigate further.

However, saying that T. Rex at one point was a herbivore, then at another point was a carnivore doesn't really violate Scripture, it violates "science," which is self-violating, anyway - (and even brags about it).