Obama pro/con

[NeTrips]

I can't think of one time, never mind "last time".

How about it - is there a self identifying liberal here on CF that will admit that Obama is being hypocritical based on the two quotes posted a couple posts back?

 

[Dannager]

I can't think of one time, never mind "last time".

How about it - is there a self identifying liberal here on CF that will admit that Obama is being hypocritical based on the two quotes posted a couple posts back?

Why would anyone "admit" to something that isn't true? We're not big on being dishonest.

 

[MachZer0]

That's a good point. When was the last time a politician with a D next to his name was called a racist by liberals after making racist remarks

I can't think of one time, never mind "last time".

How about it - is there a self identifying liberal here on CF that will admit that Obama is being hypocritical based on the two quotes posted a couple posts back?

Why would anyone "admit" to something that isn't true? We're not big on being dishonest.

Nuff said

 

[Dannager]

Nuff said

That's right, call someone a hypocrite over something that isn't hypocrisy, smear your opponents for historically not agreeing with your inaccurate take on reality, and then act like you've proven some point when - surprise! - your opponents once again don't agree with your ridiculous smear attempts.

Oh, and do this all while pretending to ignore the incredible hypocrisy that your own political agenda dictates. Because it's more important to bring your opponents down to your level than it is to support the truth. I was a Republican until very recently, when I started to realize that most Republicans didn't actually stand for anything but themselves. Right-wing conservatives are a dying breed, and they're very upset about this.

 

[Voegelin]

How is that hypocritical at all? He said he'd remove anyone who made racial slurs like that, and he has. Are you still trying to make this an issue, even to the point of being dishonest about it?

Yeah....he removed Rev. Wright from his campaign. Couple days ago as I recall.

Obama wrote the book in which he quoted Rev Wright years ago. Apparently Wright's contention that "White folks’ greed runs a world in need" resonated with Obama.

So, he if holds himself to the same standard he held Imus to, Obama himself should resign from his campaign.

Funding a church which supports Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam isn't too cool either for someone who claims to be a uniter and wanted Imus fired for a few ill chosen and crude statements.

 

[MachZer0]

Yeah....he removed Rev. Wright from his campaign. Couple days ago as I recall.

Obama wrote the book in which he quoted Rev Wright years ago. Apparently Wright's contention that "White folks’ greed runs a world in need" resonated with Obama.

So, he if holds himself to the same standard he held Imus to, Obama himself should resign from his campaign.

Funding a church which supports Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam isn't too cool either for someone who claims to be a uniter and wanted Imus fired for a few ill chosen and crude statements.

So indeed we have good reason to consider Obama a hypocrite as well

 

[Dannager]

Yeah....he removed Rev. Wright from his campaign. Couple days ago as I recall.

Obama wrote the book in which he quoted Rev Wright years ago. Apparently Wright's contention that "White folks’ greed runs a world in need" resonated with Obama.

So, he if holds himself to the same standard he held Imus to, Obama himself should resign from his campaign.

Funding a church which supports Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam isn't too cool either for someone who claims to be a uniter and wanted Imus fired for a few ill chosen and crude statements.

I'm sorry, what? Please show me where Obama has made egregious racial slurs. Quoting his pastor in a book doesn't imply agreement, which I'm sure you're more than aware of but choose to ignore because your entire argument is built on dishonesty. You and your entire anti-Obama crowd is really hurting for credibility right now. Every one of your arguments has fallen through when held up to the light, and this is no different. But you don't care. You're not here to hold anything up to the light. You're not interested in reality, or truth. You're here for a partisan agenda, smearing the other side's best candidate because you don't know how to honestly beat him. Smear campaigns are all you have.

Doesn't that strike you as sad, Voegelin? When your ammunition is limited to dishonest smears and making mountains out of molehills, honest people step back and say, "Hey, we're engaging in petty smears against a guy who really doesn't seem that bad." The dishonest people continue, because they don't care what they have to do to win. Christ would be appalled by the vitriol of the anti-Obama crowd here.

What scares you so much about Obama, Voegelin? Is it that he's more liberal than you? Is it that he disagrees with the war? Is it that he's black? Is it that he's not Christian enough for your tastes? Is it that he represents change, and fundamental change makes you uncomfortable?

 

[Dannager]

So indeed we have good reason to consider Obama a hypocrite as well

No, we don't. As I've pointed out. Please, pay attention. If you are unable to pay attention to the thread, or are unwilling to pay attention, or are disregarding what's been posted for the sake of dishonest smear tactics, please leave the thread.

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

Osteen has one of the worst ministries of the West. He's like a combination of britney spears, pat robertson, and the road runner. As for Wright, boo hoo. He doesnt sugar coat enough.

 

[Dannager]

Osteen has one of the worst ministries of the West. He's like a combination of britney spears, pat robertson, and the road runner. As for Wright, boo hoo. He doesnt sugar coat enough.

Seriously.

 

[LonesomeTexan]

Hillary is going to wipe the floor with Obama in Pennsylvania.

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

A crafted signature regarding views on obama could save a lot of posts that repeat the same thing. A LOT. This whole thing with Wright simply reveals how ignorant we are regarding racism both in history and contemporary arenas. Iam betting most who cry out about Wright couldnt tell us the first thing about Black Codes, Minstrelsy, Passing, Amos and Andy, etc.

 

[MachZer0]

No, we don't. As I've pointed out. Please, pay attention. If you are unable to pay attention to the thread, or are unwilling to pay attention, or are disregarding what's been posted for the sake of dishonest smear tactics, please leave the thread.

If Obama wanted Imus fired, but paid over $20,000 in one year to the church pastored by Wright, then he is indeed a hypocrite.

 

[Dannager]

Hillary is going to wipe the floor with Obama in Pennsylvania.

Really? That's what they said about Iowa. And Texas. And Nevada. And Super Tuesday. In fact, that's what they said about the entire race. Are you ready to be wrong again, LonesomeTexan?

 

[Dannager]

If Obama wanted Imus fired, but paid over $20,000 in one year to the church pastored by Wright, then he is indeed a hypocrite.

Are you saying that he should deny the entire church a donation just because he disagrees with a small portion of one of its pastor's sermons? Are you seriously saying this? That all the people in the church deserve to have that money taken away because its pastor is a little too inflammatory for your tastes?

Is this what you've been reduced to?

 

[MachZer0]

Are you saying that he should deny the entire church a donation just because he disagrees with a small portion of one of its pastor's sermons? Are you seriously saying this? That all the people in the church deserve to have that money taken away because its pastor is a little too inflammatory for your tastes?

Is this what you've been reduced to?

First off, Obama doesn't disagree with a small portion of the pastor's sermons. He vehemently condemns them. And it is not accurate to say that it is a small portion. Wright bases his theology on the writings of James Cone. Here is Cone's descritpion of black liberation theology

Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community. . . . Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.

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So, if Obama supports the church and calls for Imus to be fired, he is a hypocrite​

 

[Braunwyn]

I'm watching the clips from Obama's speech today and I'm impressed. I felt that he needed to take accountability for his dealings with Wright and it looks to me that he's doing so. I'm more impressed with him now than I was 2 months ago.

 

[Scribbler]

Are you saying that he should deny the entire church a donation just because he disagrees with a small portion of one of its pastor's sermons? Are you seriously saying this? That all the people in the church deserve to have that money taken away because its pastor is a little too inflammatory for your tastes? Is this what you've been reduced to?

Perhaps he should have found a less divisive pastor years ago and not been a member of a church where division is welcomed and even
celebrated...at least that's what it looks like to me when you stand up, cheer, and give a pat on back to the guy that's spouting such vitriol.
It's not really about a donation. If the guy saying all this stuff is your spiritual mentor, spiritual advisor, pastor, and even amember of your
'Campaign religious advisory board' or whatever, well, folks are going to start to wonder about his influence on you, recent condemnations
or not.

You see, Dan, if you're claiming Imus should be fired for his statements, and claiming "you'd fire anybody on your staff for making such remarks about any ethnic
group", better make sure Uncle Jerry's not telling people that white folks invented AIDS to kill the black people. Live by the Uniter label, die by the same...dig it?

It's that 'H' word again. Do you see it, now?

 

[Carey]

Osteen has one of the worst ministries of the West. He's like a combination of britney spears, pat robertson, and the road runner. As for Wright, boo hoo. He doesnt sugar coat enough.

For those who have never heard Ostenn.

www.joelosteen.com

you can sign up and watch his sermons for free.

 

[JoyJuice]

Perhaps he should have found a less divisive pastor years ago and not been a member of a church where division is welcomed and even
celebrated...at least that's what it looks like to me when you stand up, cheer, and give a pat on back to the guy that's spouting such vitriol.
It's not really about a donation. If the guy saying all this stuff is your spiritual mentor, spiritual advisor, pastor, and even amember of your
'Campaign religious advisory board' or whatever, well, folks are going to start to wonder about his influence on you, recent condemnations
or not.

You see, Dan, if you're claiming Imus should be fired for his statements, and claiming "you'd fire anybody on your staff for making such remarks about any ethnic
group", better make sure Uncle Jerry's not telling people that white folks invented AIDS to kill the black people. Live by the Uniter label, die by the same...dig it?

It's that 'H' word again. Do you see it, now?

A honest question and if you may a candid response. Obama has record as a Professor, he has on record a book, he has a state legislation record, he has federal legislaton record replete with crafted and sponsored legislation, and he has on record a myriad of speeches, how much do you think Wrights views influenced him to the point it is a political concern?