you'll hate this thread, I guarantee it.

[Rick Otto]

I very well understand the story, but it bears no relationship to my approach to God.
So not only do you make up your approach to God, but mine as well.
I guess the writer's strike is over.

Even that Marxian quote has been taken out of context- first by the atheists, then by you. Coincidence?

Pride is found in those who reject the Commandments and their ancestors.
The liturgy is the reading of scripture. If you reject this, why not write yor own scriptures/ Or would even repeating them once make it 'religious?'

It depends on your motivation!
Can we trust you to not be religious, Rdr? Can we?

 

[Rdr Iakovos]

I guess it's a lost cause with you guys. You're so hung up on your religion, that "spirit and truth" don't matter anymore??? It seems you're still trying to climb the mountain to reach to heaven.

And it seems to me that you're building a tower of confused voices. Climbing a mountain to speak with God got Moses face to face and the disciples as well.

 

[Theophorus]

What else is there you do?

Pray, and some partake of the body and blood of Christ.
It's pretty simple, not designed for the wise....

 

[holdon]

I very well understand the story, but it bears no relationship to my approach to God.

Really? All the stories in the bible are written for us? So, you're lofty above it all, eh?

Pride is found in those who reject the Commandments and their ancestors.
The liturgy is the reading of scripture. If you reject this, why not write yor own scriptures/ Or would even repeating them once make it 'religious?'

I don't reject the Scriptures. Who said I did?

And "liturgy" is not just the reading of the Scriptures. You don't have to go to church for that. Just my computer might do fine....

 

[Rdr Iakovos]

It depends on your motivation!
Can we trust you to not be religious, Rdr? Can we?

Absolutely.
Follow me as I follow Christ.

 

[sunlover1]

and look how David responded to his wife, when she nagged him for not doing it the "conventional" way.

That's what I noticed too Ubee.

It's good that you worship this way!

Now add The Divine Liturgy to this also.

Do both.

Forgive me...

I dont know how and I dont
know that I dont.
WHAT is liturgical worship?

It's a book.

Is Simon saying that Blue Like Jazz is an emergent
church book?
If it is, be cautious because it's very subtle.
I've checked into it too (one of the big five
is in my town and my teens get invited)

see thats just it. i dont see how what i think is worship means jack squat. what God accepts as worship is what I'm after. We see God ordaining liturgical worship in the OT, we see Christ Himself and the Apostles worshiping liturgically, we see liturgical worship in Heaven -- why oh why would I choose to do something else bc its how i feel?

Sheesh Jackstraw, why oh why would I choose
to do something because of how I FEEL.
DIdnt you hear me? I said all different tribes,
worshipping our One God, in the tongue and
culture we come from. Or Better YET,
all tongues and tribes coming together!!

Let HIM lead and draw and control.
God set me in a church where most all of
the members are African American and I'm
not, the music sounded foreign to me at
first, in fact my older kids said , "eh, it's not
really my style of worship"
(SO far five are attending though).
Did I say, 'No God, I dont know those songs
and I dont care for the tempo etc?
Heck no, I'm honored that He cares about
me enough to have provided a family for me.

WHO are we serving? OUR musical
desires or preconceived ideas, or God's
desires?

BTW,
You never did answer me, what kind of
music IS acceptable?
And what is liturgy?

Thanks
sunlover

 

[holdon]

And it seems to me that you're building a tower of confused voices. Climbing a mountain to speak with God got Moses face to face and the disciples as well.

Confused voices? You call Scripture confused when it says "this people honors me with their lips but their heart is far from me"?

 

[Rdr Iakovos]

Really? All the stories in the bible are written for us? So, you're lofty above it all, eh?I don't reject the Scriptures. Who said I did?

I am above all of your pejorative and denigratory implications.
You reject the simple command of Christ re prayer.

And "liturgy" is not just the reading of the Scriptures. You don't have to go to church for that. Just my computer might do fine....

"Do not neglect the gathering together of yourselves as is the custom of some."
Do as you will.

 

[holdon]

Pray, and some partake of the body and blood of Christ.
It's pretty simple, not designed for the wise....

Is it that simple? What denom do you belong to? Let's see how simple you guys are.

 

[E.C.]

I guess it's a lost cause with you guys. You're so hung up on your religion, that "spirit and truth" don't matter anymore??? It seems you're still trying to climb the mountain to reach to heaven.

Nope, we wait until God says it is our time.


You can not have "spirit and truth" in wordage only. Than that would be a philosophy. Nay, following Christ and being like Him requires action, not just lip service. Remember that bit in Matthew about feeding the hungry and so forth.

That is how Christianity is a religion; we worship something that falls under the category of being a noun.

 

[holdon]

I am above all of your pejorative and denigratory implications.
You reject the simple command of Christ re prayer.

What makes you say I do?

"Do not neglect the gathering together of yourselves as is the custom of some."
Do as you will.

And even "gathering together" is not "liturgy" is it?

 

[Rdr Iakovos]

Is it that simple? What denom do you belong to? Let's see how simple you guys are.

We are not part of a denomination.

 

[holdon]

You can not have "spirit and truth" in wordage only. Than that would be a philosophy. Nay, following Christ and being like Him requires action, not just lip service. Remember that bit in Matthew about feeding the hungry and so forth.

In the same vein, your rituals and liturgy mean nothing.

That is how Christianity is a religion; we worship something that falls under the category of being a noun.

How is doing what you do any different from what others do in other religions?

 

[Rdr Iakovos]

What makes you say I do? And even "gathering together" is not "liturgy" is it?

You said that you do.
If you knew Greek, you'd not ask the latter qestion. Liturgy is the work of the people, the common worship.
A cacophany of voices is not "gathering together."

 

[holdon]

We are not part of a denomination.

Really? What do you call yourself?

And: why is that you have the Rudder (or what is Rdr) in front of your name?

 

[holo]

I believe the atonement of Christ reaches back before His birth. I believe that the mystery of forgiveness is in that prayer. I believe that prayer does not earn our salvation.

I believe, at the very least, Christ gave us that prayer as a gift. I believe that prayer is full of grace because it came from God Himself.

Well, that's fair, but you could say that about pretty much anything in the OC. Just because Jesus said something doesn't mean we should take it literally or personally - like a lot of other things said in the old covenant.

I think christians often think that "new covenant" and what we refer to as the "new testament" are interchangeable terms, but they're really not.

 

[E.C.]

In the same vein, your rituals and liturgy mean nothing.

Than the Apostles mean nothing.

How is doing what you do any different from what others do in other religions?

We worship God. Not Brahma, Allah (Islam), the sun, moon, or kami.

The Holy Spirit taught us how to worship, via the Apostles. To not worship as they instructed and to worship like a mob of crazies, is to spit in their faces.

 

[holo]

Wow- that's the way- throw out what the Creator of the Universe said in regards to how to pray.

I'm amazed and appaled at the lengths that some will go to in order to pop up their winds of doctrine.

I'll stick with the Gospel, thanks.

No, not throwing anything out. If you're going to reply to me, please reply to what I'm saying.

Do you sacrifice lambs and bulls? No? Then would it be fair of me to accuse you of "throwing out" something the Creator of the Universe said in regards to get your sins covered?

Or it is simply a matter of reading the bible chronically and logically and in context?

 

[holo]

The scripture parts?

The reading of psalms, the Lord's prayer.

The reading of the gospels, or the prayers in general?

Lithurgies aren't wrong in and of themselves, but just like in Jesus' day, people may very well get too hung up on those things and think they're all spiritual and biblical simply because they're repeating some traditional way of singing/praying/preaching/thinking. It happens all the time, and in all congregations.

 

[holdon]

You said that you do.

No, I didn't.

If you knew Greek, you'd not ask the latter qestion. Liturgy is the work of the people, the common worship.

Where is it in the bible? Maybe we can learn from it!

A cacophany of voices is not "gathering together."

??? Who is talking about a "cacophony"???