Obama for President 2008

[NeTrips]

What does that mean?


I am giving you advice, you should take it, because you inability to accept other's inputs and view is a bad social skill.


Capitalizing would be nice too.

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[MacCoyle]

same here. you can't live in your mom's basement and collect an allowance forever. try the real world and get some life experience to go with the social skills.

does my not capitalizing bother you? i hope not too much
what if i stopped using punctuation

1. I would rather have social skills and empathy than your supossed "experience". My posts about you have basis. You are making up things and attacking me randomly because you have no ability to be responsible. Do you talk like this at your place of employment?

2. No go ahead. Just a joke.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

same here. you can't live in your mom's basement and collect an allowance forever. try the real world and get some life experience to go with the social skills.

does my not capitalizing bother you? i hope not too much
what if i stopped using punctuation

I've just read the last two pages of this thread and if I were a moderator I'd give a warning right now. Can't we all just play nice??

 

[NeTrips]

but he started it! lol!

 

[JGL53]

And how is Ron Paul an utopianists?

1. He wants to return ALL power to the state governments that are not SPECIFICALLY listed in the Constitution.

2. He wants to eliminate about 90 per cent of the federal government and eliminate about 90 per cent of federal taxes.

3. He personally has no problem with adults chosing to smoke marijuana but if an individual state makes possession a death penalty, that would be fine - you could just move to a state where it was legal. Same with abortion. Same with alcohol. Pretty much the same with everything.

4. In the federal government's going out of business sale, interstate highways and bridges would be sold to the highest bidder. Ditto all federal and state parks - kiss Yellow Stone good-bye. The new owners of each mile of interstate would have the right to put up a toll booth and charge what they like. If you don't want to pay their toll, you don't have to use their road. The new owner of Yellow Stone could do what he or she wants - it's his or her private property now. If he or she wants to pave it over and build condos, that's their right that comes with private ownership. If he or shes wants to keep it as it and charge $1,000 a person to visit, then you will cough up the $1,000 dollars per person or your family will need to make other vacation plans.

5. No more public schools, period, including colleges and universities. You want to go to school, you pay. You don't have the money and can't get it, you lose.

I could list about 30 other items but I think everyone gets the point.

All of the above insanity is based on a ABSOLUTE and unwavering dedication to certain utopian principles. No exceptions would be allowed, because all exceptions would either be socialist or authoritarian in some way. Ron Paul may be a lot of insane and detestable things, but he is not a flip flopper. Never has been, never will. He believes on Wednesday the exact set of insane principles he believed on Monday, regardless of what happens on Tuesday. George Bush Jr. admires people who stick to their guns, no matter what. You?

Whether you or I think the above is a good idea or a bad idea, or whether I wouldn't like to live in such a world and you would, or whatever - the fact is such a dream is impossible, even after a nuclear war.

Well, maybe not after a nuclear war. So I suppose you can pray for a nuclear war. Otherwise, no dice joebudda - if that is your real name.

 

[joebudda]

1. He wants to return ALL power to the state governments that are not SPECIFICALLY listed in the Constitution.

Giving people individual rights is very constitutional.
The people should be able to decide what is best for them in their own communities. I don't see this as being utopianism.

2. He wants to eliminate about 90 per cent of the federal government and eliminate about 90 per cent of federal taxes.

I don't know the percentage but he does want to cut down the size of the bureaucracy, Which would allow us to get rid of the income tax. This isn't utopianism either.

3. He personally has no problem with adults chosing to smoke marijuana but if an individual state makes possession a death penalty, that would be fine - you could just move to a state where it was legal. Same with abortion. Same with alcohol. Pretty much the same with everything.

Yep, imagine that, individual freedom. If freedom is utopianism then you might be on to something.

4. In the federal government's going out of business sale, interstate highways and bridges would be sold to the highest bidder. Ditto all federal and state parks - kiss Yellow Stone good-bye. The new owners of each mile of interstate would have the right to put up a toll booth and charge what they like. If you don't want to pay their toll, you don't have to use their road. The new owner of Yellow Stone could do what he or she wants - it's his or her private property now. If he or she wants to pave it over and build condos, that's their right that comes with private ownership. If he or shes wants to keep it as it and charge $1,000 a person to visit, then you will cough up the $1,000 dollars per person or your family will need to make other vacation plans.

Now you are just being silly. There is community property. What do you think the national parks are? Is this what you mean by utopianism?

5. No more public schools, period, including colleges and universities. You want to go to school, you pay. You don't have the money and can't get it, you lose.

You do pay now, even if you don't go. Have you looked at our public schools? Do you think we are getting what we paid for? This doesn't seem to be utopianism either.

I could list about 30 other items but I think everyone gets the point.

I will be looking forward to 30 more then.

All of the above insanity is based on a ABSOLUTE and unwavering dedication to certain utopian principles. No exceptions would be allowed, because all exceptions would either be socialist or authoritarian in some way. Ron Paul may be a lot of insane and detestable things, but he is not a flip flopper. Never has been, never will. He believes on Wednesday the exact set of insane principles he believed on Monday, regardless of what happens on Tuesday. George Bush Jr. admires people who stick to their guns, no matter what. You?

What are you talking about, all he wants is to give us the freedom to live our lives as we see fit.

Whether you or I think the above is a good idea or a bad idea, or whether I wouldn't like to live in such a world and you would, or whatever - the fact is such a dream is impossible, even after a nuclear war.

Only if you never reach for it.

Well, maybe after a nuclear war. So I suppose you can pray for a nuclear war. Otherwise, no dice joebudda - if that is your real name.

Well I truly would hate for it to take a nuclear war to be free to be whomever I choose.

 

[JGL53]

Giving people individual rights is very constitutional.

The people should be able to decide what is best for them in their own communities. I don't see this as being utopianism.

I don't know the percentage but he does want to cut down the size of the bureaucracy, Which would allow us to get rid of the income tax. This isn't utopianism either.

Yep, imagine that, individual freedom. If freedom is utopianism then you might be on to something.

Now you are just being silly. There is community property. What do you think the national parks are? Is this what you mean by utopianism?

You do pay now, even if you don't go. Have you looked at our public schools? Do you think we are getting what we paid for? This doesn't seem to be utopianism either.

I will be looking forward to 30 more then.

What are you talking about, all he wants is to give us the freedom to live our lives as we see fit.

Only if you never reach for it.

Well I truly would hate for it to take a nuclear war to be free to be whomever I choose.

I gets it, bruther. You wants to be free. The man been holding you down for TOO long now. Can't even light a liter of passed gas in a five star restaurant without some authoritarian meany putting you down, huh?

Tell you what - the great wilderness awaits. It will take you some time to learn to take a dump like a bear, i.e., without wiping your rear end, and living off the land, sleeping in a cave and so forth, but no time like the present to start your new life.

Adios, amigo. And go with Ron, er, uh, I mean god.

 

[joebudda]

I gets it, bruther. You wants to be free. The man been holding you down for TOO long now. Can't even light a liter of passed gas in a five star restaurant without some authoritarian meany putting you down, huh?

Tell you what - the great wilderness awaits. It will take you some time to learn to take a dump like a bear, i.e., without wiping your rear end, and living off the land, sleeping in a cave and so forth, but no time like the present to start your new life.

Adios, amigo. And go with Paul, er, I mean god.

If all you got is ridicule, that cool with me. As long as it is cool with you.

 

[JGL53]

If all you got is ridicule, that cool with me. As long as it is cool with you.

As long as you got Ron Paul and I and the rest of America don't I am satisfied.

 

[flicka]

The people should be able to decide what is best for them in their own communities. I don't see this as being utopianism.

The problem with this is communities are not static. Things would be changing almost daily with people coming and going and new ideas replacing the old and everyone moving in and our of areas with different rules and standards. The country is better served being unified.

 

[joebudda]

The problem with this is communities are not static. Things would be changing almost daily with people coming and going and new ideas replacing the old and everyone moving in and our of areas with different rules and standards.

This I see to be a good thing.

The country is better served being unified.

If we desire to be an "empire". I am quite fond of the republic idea.

 

[joebudda]

As long as you got Ron Paul and I and the rest of America don't I am satisfied.

I prefer my individuality. I have never been much of a herd animal.

 

[ImmortalTechnique]

folks, after a clear win in last night's debate, we have reached a million donors, unprecedented in a primary campaign. Keep donating, make a few calls to Texas and Ohio, and let's end this thing on the fourth.

When Bush came from Texas and started ruining this country, we couldn't have imagined that Barack Obama could come out of the state to begin to heal it.

 

[JGL53]

I prefer my individuality. I have never been much of a herd animal.

Pretty much everything you are you owe to others. You are a member of the herd, like it or not. Go live in the woods, grow your own food, hunt down animals, and make your own clothes. Can't? Then you are as dependent on other folks for survival as much as anyone.

No man is an island, dude, but some of us are peninsulas.

 

[DieHappy]

The thread this quote is from and my reply got pretty ugly, so I'll ask it here:

the truly sad thing about this all is that if people TRULY believe that this man, who has [...] an extremely impressive record as a state legislator bringing reform to an entrenched political machine, [...]

I've got to ask what you're talking about. He was lock step with the democrats at every vote he bothered to come to.
What am I missing? Because I'm still here living with this ridiculous political machine. Maybe Lisa Madigan has managed to shake up the corruptness both sides have here in her own quest for power, but Obama did nothing to separate himself while he was here.

 

[JGL53]

The thread this quote is from and my reply got pretty ugly, so I'll ask it here:

I've got to ask what you're talking about. He was lock step with the democrats at every vote he bothered to come to.
What am I missing? Because I'm still here living with this ridiculous political machine. Maybe Lisa Madigan has managed to shake up the corruptness both sides have here in her own quest for power, but Obama did nothing to separate himself while he was here.

Really? So all the talk about Obama working for the best interests of poor folks in his district is all made up lies?

So then I should vote for McCain because there is less evidence available that he is perhaps, maybe, somewhat corrupt himself?

OK. Let the comparison begin and continue over the next eight months. We should all be able to make an informed choice in November.

If people can ignore the whiteness, or lack thereof, of a candidate's skin and look only at the cleanness, or lack thereof, of his record, then maybe we can elect the best guy for the job of President.

Ya think?

 

[Rick Otto]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick Otto
You want "crazy talk"? I clock in by boss's desk and say "Mission Accomplished!"...He just laughs. He says he'll vote for McCain if Clinton gets the ticket.

If money & jobs allowed, I'd already BE in Wyoming in a log cabin. Your red herring "Paradise" is caricature - the lowest form & style you can handle, I guess.
"Pack my Bags"...
If I build a Paradise, parasites won't be welcome.
I suppose I could sponsor a work visa for ya, tho.
Any good with a toilet brush?...

Each of us as individuals must "have a dream" - it is what makes us human and prevents us from devolving into depression, anxiety, or winding up naked by the side of the road, screaming at the imaginary demons which are in fact just the passing cars.

Some people seem to ask for the moon. I don't ask for more than I think is reasonable.

My personal dream is that my state pension and Social Security do not go broke until I cease to no longer need them. Beyond that, my other hopes are pretty simple and inoffensive.

I don't dislike Ron Paul particularly. I think the people who buy into his brand of snake oil have no one to blame except themrselves. Let the buyer beware and all that.

Wow. I appreciate the de-escalation from "crazy talk" & "pack your bags". Not disliking Ron Paul is an unprecidented charity on your part. I'm swooning with gratitude.
And your personal dream is a message of inspiring hope for us all. I'm awestruck at how human it makes you. How can we resist emulating your shining example?

 

[JGL53]

....Not disliking Ron Paul is an unprecedented charity on your part. I'm swooning with gratitude...

Now that kind of sarcasm is completely uncalled for - you made me cry in my ginger ale and now it's completely ruined. I hope you're happy.

....And your personal dream is a message of inspiring hope for us all. I'm awestruck at how human it makes you. How can we resist emulating your shining example?...

Uh, dude, it's not my job to be an inspiration or example for you. That was the job of your male relatives during your childhood and adolescence. (You didn't grow up in an orphanage, did you? If so, I apologize.)

Barack Obama can be your inspiration now to be a better person. Go to barackobama.com and read the Issues section. Maybe you will be inspired to participate in some community projects. The world needs idealistic young men like you and Obama.

Paul is dead meat and beginning to stink, but maybe you can root for Nader now that he has offered his services again to an ungrateful nation. Maybe you could be his running mate.

 

[joebudda]

Now that kind of sarcasm is completely uncalled for

Ironic.

 

[JGL53]

Ironic.

No. Sarcastic.