King James Only?

[scriptures]

The bottom line is, which is most faithful to the original????

Maybe we should all download the "scripture4all interlinear"

 

[Peter]

And who wrote the manuscripts the Septuagint was based on? And who did the translation of the Septuagint? Oh my, it was nonChristians.

Marv

Of course there were NO Christians when the LXX was translated as this work was done prior to Christ. By your logic, all of the OT books were written by non-Christians. The Masoratic texts were re-translated and edited after Christ by those who did not believe He was the Messiah. That's my point. It's kind of like wanting to trust Soviet Communists to interpret the US Constitution.

Peter

 

[scriptures]

Of course there were NO Christians when the LXX was translated as this work was done prior to Christ. By your logic, all of the OT books were written by non-Christians. The Masoratic texts were re-translated and edited after Christ by those who did not believe He was the Messiah. That's my point. It's kind of like wanting to trust Soviet Communists to interpret the US Constitution.

Peter

What is your suggestion????

 

[BigNorsk]

Of course there were NO Christians when the LXX was translated as this work was done prior to Christ. By your logic, all of the OT books were written by non-Christians. The Masoratic texts were re-translated and edited after Christ by those who did not believe He was the Messiah. That's my point. It's kind of like wanting to trust Soviet Communists to interpret the US Constitution.

Peter

Sometimes it's dangerous to trust US Presidents to interprete the Constitution.

The Masoretic text was preserves by people who considered it sacred scripture worth dying over. They took great pains to preserve it.

You just sound like some Muslim saying everyone changes scripture when they wanted to change the meaning. I don't believe it. Your arguement is of course those nasty old Jews did it but not us nice Christians. I don't see any evidence of that.

Marv

 

[scriptures]

Of course there were NO Christians when the LXX was translated as this work was done prior to Christ. By your logic, all of the OT books were written by non-Christians. The Masoratic texts were re-translated and edited after Christ by those who did not believe He was the Messiah. That's my point. It's kind of like wanting to trust Soviet Communists to interpret the US Constitution.

Peter

Maybe you should show proof that masoretic text was altered.....

 

[Chickapee]

Hi I use Blueletterbible scroll down for much info


BLB Word Search Results the word was sheep , you can use any ''key '' words and it will find it and many dictonaries and 2 lexicons Thayers and Gesenius
I find them very enlighting and great study tools for many years now
GOD bless your searching
peace in Christs love ............. Chicka

The Blue Letter Bible staff has begun the task of searching each Hebrew / Greek word in several different Lexicons / Dictionaries, and researching the different root forms that each word can take.

When you see (Str.) next to a Hebrew or Greek word, it means that this word is represented as a root form in "A Concise Dictionary of the Words in The Hebrew Bible", by James Strongs (19th Century)

When you see (Ges.) next to a Hebrew word, it means that this word is represented as a root form in "Gesenius' Hebrew and Chaldee Lexicon to the Old Testament Scriptures", edited by Samuel Tregelles (circa 1846)


i like scriptures4all , that link no longer is able to be used ?
thanks

 

[LongAgoNThGarden]

I have used many different versions of the Bible from the KJV, NKJV, RSV, NAS, NASV, LB, NIV, and a number of others as well.


I have recently returned to the KJV after finding so many DELETIONS in the other versions that are available.


The KJV New Testament comes from The Received Text, aka The Majority Text. It is known by this name because 90 % of these texts are mostly in agreement with each other and they come from the Antoich area where Apostle Paul and Barnabas did a lot of missionary work for the Lord.


The other 10% of texts come from The Alexandrian School of Texts that have many DELETIONS in them. Many of these new versions are from the Alexandrian texts.


I am NOT here to convince anyone to read the KJV, I’m simply posting why I returned to it.


Pray about it.

Garden Prayer

 

[oldsage]

The bottom line is, which is most faithful to the original????

Maybe we should all download the "scripture4all interlinear"

That seems like a neat program, but I am already using Bibleworks which comes when pretty much all you need to do bible study in any of the major languages.

 

[oldsage]

Of course there were NO Christians when the LXX was translated as this work was done prior to Christ. By your logic, all of the OT books were written by non-Christians. The Masoratic texts were re-translated and edited after Christ by those who did not believe He was the Messiah. That's my point. It's kind of like wanting to trust Soviet Communists to interpret the US Constitution.

Peter

I believe the LXX is important and should be studied, but when we look at the Masoratic text and compare it with the DSS we see remarkable accuracy.

Chris

 

[oldsage]

I have used many different versions of the Bible from the KJV, NKJV, RSV, NAS, NASV, LB, NIV, and a number of others as well.

It is good to have a round collection.

I have recently returned to the KJV after finding so many DELETIONS in the other versions that are available.

How do you know they are deletions? Could they have been additions to the KJV and the others translations decided not to add to the bible?

The KJV New Testament comes from The Received Text, aka The Majority Text. It is known by this name because 90 % of these texts are mostly in agreement with each other and they come from the Antoich area where Apostle Paul and Barnabas did a lot of missionary work for the Lord.

The "Received Text" is not synonymous with the "Majority Text". Those two text differ in about 2000 places. The majority of mss are Byzantine and the TR does follow that tradition but we must not equate the two.

There are two sides to most stories, we should be fair and balanced when speaking about either side..(<<=== that sounded like a plug from Fox News)

Chris

 

[scriptures]

Nice comments, oldsage.....

 

[ARBITER01]

I think the KJV is quite accurate most of the time, but it could be updated to reflect some of the more recent scholarship, only in an effort to maybe correct some passages that might have been distorted through copy errors and such.

For me personally,...I look to validate manuscript usage instead of just accept what is the oldest. The critical text is based soley on manuscript evidence alone, no outside evidence. The alexandrian manuscripts are the oldest by default, so most scholars depend upon them nowadays.

The problem with that assertion is the minority/critical text has little to no recorded history to validate it unlike the traditional text. All those questionable passages that we find missing from the alexandrian manuscripts are found recorded in many places as being used by the greek church fathers throughout history. What's interesting is the record of the greek fathers is usually much older than the manuscripts themselves, say around 3rd century and older sometimes.

That was the arguement back in the day by such folks as Dean Burgon and others, and it makes the most sense. Evidence is to be validated as truth, and it requires a comparison with historical usage, outside evidence.

I think the committee that did the NKJV did a really decent job also, but there is always room for improvement. Maybe the next traditional text translation will come from the Christian camps instead of the secular ones.

 

[SealOfGod]

The king james bible did the pre rapture people make this bible???? i dont like the king james bible its hard to understand. I love using all types different bibles read all version it helps your holy spirit understand the scripture better. The king james bible is from the pre tribbers. pre tribber manipulate scripture every day to prove that jesus returns during the first trumpet. These false teachers will use 1 cor 15:52 to prove that Jesus returns during the first trumpet. 1 cor 15:52 says last trumpet not first.. Tobad Christs saints manipulate his word to prove a pre rapture now there prayer wont be answered and the Lord will return during the last trumpet. If The Lords saints didint manipulate scripture our lord might have answered there prayer. i dont like the king james version because its the pre tribbers bible. Only a false teacher would use 1 cor 15:52 to prove that our Lord returns before the trumpets.
Your Gods saints and its against the Law of the lord to manipulate scripture or to add to the bible please stop pre tribbers or what the bible calls white washers.

 

[Maddi777]

I use the KJV to just read, bcause it is close to the originial.... I also use a study Bible, for the easier language to understand it. On the computer, I have a program called: esword, that has several different one's.... in that, I use the KJV and the BBE ( Basic Bible English) side by side. The BBE is in more everyday language, without the 'thou's and thee's.

 

[LongAgoNThGarden]

It is good to have a round collection.
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The "Received Text" is not synonymous with the "Majority Text". Those two text differ in about 2000 places. The majority of mss are Byzantine and the TR does follow that tradition but we must not equate the two.

There are two sides to most stories, we should be fair and balanced when speaking about either side..(<<=== that sounded like a plug from Fox News)

Chris
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The Received Text and The Majority Text are the same group of manuscripts.

And I do not watch Fox news.

Garden

 

[LongAgoNThGarden]

The link I have provided here has an Mp3 you can listen to FREE if you chose too, it explains that The Received and Majority are the same group of manuscripts and why the KJV is the most accurate, and it also proves that the newer versions have many DELETIONS.

The Mp3 is under the “Topical Messages” category and is titled “The Basis For Our Bible” by pastor Chuck Smith of Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa California.

http://twft.com/kjv/html/sermons.cfm

Garden

 

[LongAgoNThGarden]

A lot of the newer Bible versions were translated from the Alexandrian School of Texts which not only had many DELETIONS, but also had a Gnostic flavoring to them.

If you listen to the Mp3 from the link given in the post above this one, you will hear for yourself.

Garden

 

[BigNorsk]

In the Received Text, the single manuscript for Revelation is Alexandrian.

Marv

 

[BigNorsk]

The king james bible did the pre rapture people make this bible???? i dont like the king james bible its hard to understand. I love using all types different bibles read all version it helps your holy spirit understand the scripture better. The king james bible is from the pre tribbers. pre tribber manipulate scripture every day to prove that jesus returns during the first trumpet. These false teachers will use 1 cor 15:52 to prove that Jesus returns during the first trumpet. 1 cor 15:52 says last trumpet not first.. Tobad Christs saints manipulate his word to prove a pre rapture now there prayer wont be answered and the Lord will return during the last trumpet. If The Lords saints didint manipulate scripture our lord might have answered there prayer. i dont like the king james version because its the pre tribbers bible. Only a false teacher would use 1 cor 15:52 to prove that our Lord returns before the trumpets.
Your Gods saints and its against the Law of the lord to manipulate scripture or to add to the bible please stop pre tribbers or what the bible calls white washers.

I believe the end times beliefs of the translators of the KJV were pretty solidly Amillenial, that was about the only view at the time.

You seem to think that dispensationalists translated the KJV but dispensationalism did not exist before the 1800's.

The link between the KJV and premillenialism occured with the Scofield Bible and it's dispensational footnotes. This particular Bible had a large influence on certain groups.

Marv

 

[Heart of a Seeker]

The link I have provided here has an Mp3 you can listen to FREE if you chose too, it explains that The Received and Majority are the same group of manuscripts and why the KJV is the most accurate, and it also proves that the newer versions have many DELETIONS.

The Mp3 is under the “Topical Messages” category and is titled “The Basis For Our Bible” by pastor Chuck Smith of Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa California.

http://twft.com/kjv/html/sermons.cfm

Garden

I really like Chuck Smith. I listen to him on the radio every day.