A re-examination of nothing

[Floatingaxe]

Once again, you prove nothing regarding a passage of Scripture, and no, I don't put my "eggs all in one basket w/a translation". I put my faith and hope in my Lord...Jesus Christ. You have no proof that 1 Cor. 6:9 is correctly translated. I have proof it isn't, as stated, using that word in the Bible is a breaking of Biblical Exegesis. How are you going to prove me wrong?

My faith in Jesus Christ as my personal Lord and Saviour takes me to the understanding that the Word of God is safely in His control.

Because I know He is the guardian of His words, I know I can trust Him to have orchestrated the feat of translation over the ages PERFECTLY! I am like you--I don't trust just men to do the job right. But I trust men who hear God and obey Him to do it right!

God has overseen the arduous translation processes and not one jot or tittle has changed the meaning of anything. It is only those "johnny-come-lately" homosexual rewriters with built-in agendas who have come forward brazenly to turn the Word of God upside down and shake it out for errors. Well, you haven't found any. You have dredged something up from the mire from which your whole life-purpose has come.

God is a perfect conservator. He has preserved His word intact.

 

[davedjy]

My faith in Jesus Christ as my personal Lord and Saviour takes me to the understanding that the Word of God is safely in His control.

Because I know He is the guardian of His words, I know I can trust Him to have orchestrated the feat of translation over the ages PERFECTLY! I am like you--I don't trust just men to do the job right. But I trust men who hear God and obey Him to do it right!

God has overseen the arduous translation processes and not one jot or tittle has changed the meaning of anything. It is only those "johnny-come-lately" homosexual rewriters with built-in agendas who have come forward brazenly to turn the Word of God upside down and shake it out for errors. Well, you haven't found any. You have dredged something up from the mire from which your whole life-purpose has come.

God is a perfect conservator. He has preserved His word intact.

My whole life purpose has nothing to do with this forum, or some word studies, but it is something I look into and research.
If God's Word was "Perfectly" intact, then all Bible translations would match each other. For example, a word would not morph from universally be translated as "masturbator" to "homosexual". THAT IS FAR FROM PERFECT!


You have proven nothing except that you don't understand the subject you are speaking on. The inconsistencies have been proven, you still aren't refuting my posts.

Somehow you think that by saying that a word definition has an "agenda" will somehow refute it when it really doesn't.

Please do tell me why you trust the men that translate the Bible when they have proven they are confused among themselves.

 

[Ohioprof]

Jet, my brotha, you said it too well!

We strive and hope for that which is eternal, not temporal. Again, this is a spiritual battle we're all in and it seems to me that the problem is that there's too much of self and not enough of Christ in us.

That's one of the things I love about spiritual blesssings. They help you to see things for what they really are rather than what we'd like or think them to be.

But we live our lives in the world as it is, not in an imaginary world that may or may not arrive after death. The time we have to do God's work is now, here on earth. And this earth, for all its flaws and problems and sources of pain and confusion, is beautiful and miraculous.

Sure, a person can make their sexuality an idol, just as one can make their belief's about other people's sexuality an idol. My question to others is, with all the important work to do, why are some Christians wasting the time that God has given them by talking at gay people and trying to change gay people to be other than how God made us? It's pointless. And it does nothing to make the world better.

Let's get together as Christians to do good in the world instead of trying to change gay people into what some people wish we would be. Let's work to end poverty and to end war and to end racism and to sustain the environment. Let's do that good work together.

 

[Ohioprof]

My faith in Jesus Christ as my personal Lord and Saviour takes me to the understanding that the Word of God is safely in His control.

Because I know He is the guardian of His words, I know I can trust Him to have orchestrated the feat of translation over the ages PERFECTLY! I am like you--I don't trust just men to do the job right. But I trust men who hear God and obey Him to do it right!

God has overseen the arduous translation processes and not one jot or tittle has changed the meaning of anything. It is only those "johnny-come-lately" homosexual rewriters with built-in agendas who have come forward brazenly to turn the Word of God upside down and shake it out for errors. Well, you haven't found any. You have dredged something up from the mire from which your whole life-purpose has come.

God is a perfect conservator. He has preserved His word intact.

My friend, you appear to have your own built-in agenda, which you repeatedly attribute to God.

Remember that when you accuse someone else of translating the Bible in a way that conforms to their beliefs, others can say the same thing of you. And they would be right.

 

[Leah]

But we live our lives in the world as it is, not in an imaginary world that may or may not arrive after death. The time we have to do God's work is now, here on earth. And this earth, for all its flaws and problems and sources of pain and confusion, is beautiful and miraculous.

Sure, a person can make their sexuality an idol, just as one can make their belief's about other people's sexuality an idol. My question to others is, with all the important work to do, why are some Christians wasting the time that God has given them by talking at gay people and trying to change gay people to be other than how God made us? It's pointless. And it does nothing to make the world better.

Let's get together as Christians to do good in the world instead of trying to change gay people into what some people wish we would be. Let's work to end poverty and to end war and to end racism and to sustain the environment. Let's do that good work together.

Soooo.....when Jesus told us to be the salt and light of the world and to snatch people out of the fire, He was just speaking into the air?????

Because it seems what you're saying here, OP, is that we are not to do that. But that it's a waste of time and of no help.

And gay people aren't the target. That target, OP, is sin, regardless of one's sexual orientation.

Jesus said in John 15:5 that apart from Him, we can do nothing. How can one hope to end anything if one doesn't even believe in the eternal things???

 

[Ohioprof]

Soooo.....when Jesus told us to be the salt and light of the world and to snatch people out of the fire, He was just speaking into the air?????

Because it seems what you're saying here, OP, is that we are not to do that. But that it's a waste of time and of no help.

And gay people aren't the target. That target, OP, is sin, regardless of one's sexual orientation.

Jesus said in John 15:5 that apart from Him, we can do nothing. How can one hope to end anything if one doesn't even believe in the eternal things???

It's your interpretation that gay people are in "the fire" or in danger of landing in "the fire" purely because we are gay. I do not regard myself as in any danger, and I do not want to have someone decide for me that I must be snatched from "the fire." I choose my own path, and I am responsible for what I do. I don't need or want someone else telling me how to live, which is purely their opinion anyway. I have a wonderful life now. I am not in need of being snatched from anything.

I do believe in the eternal. I disagree with you about whether gay people are, by loving our spouses, sinning and risking damnation. I just disagree with you about that.

 

[Chaplain David]

My friend, you appear to have your own built-in agenda, which you repeatedly attribute to God.

Remember that when you accuse someone else of translating the Bible in a way that conforms to their beliefs, others can say the same thing of you. And they would be right.

Accept that we did not translate the Holy Bibles being used in our churches that we love and accept. Thankfully, they were translated by well qualified scholars and theologians, more qualified than anyone here on this gigantic forum. And they are accepted by our churches and church doctrine which we also hold dear. Most importantly our Bibles are accepted by the majority of Trinity Believing Christians as inspired, God breathed, and true.

So, as far as every body and person I mentioned before, our Holy Bibles are the written word of God, well able to stand on their own and need no proof. They are the proof that cannot be undermined or changed by any study, social movement, political correctness, argument or criticism that would try to justify what is clearly stated as sin.

 

[Floatingaxe]

My whole life purpose has nothing to do with this forum, or some word studies, but it is something I look into and research.
If God's Word was "Perfectly" intact, then all Bible translations would match each other. For example, a word would not morph from universally be translated as "masturbator" to "homosexual". THAT IS FAR FROM PERFECT!


You have proven nothing except that you don't understand the subject you are speaking on. The inconsistencies have been proven, you still aren't refuting my posts.

Somehow you think that by saying that a word definition has an "agenda" will somehow refute it when it really doesn't.

Please do tell me why you trust the men that translate the Bible when they have proven they are confused among themselves.

I don't believe there is anything wrong with the translations. What else can a homosexual do but touch or touch each other? Besides sodomy, their ain't too much wrong with the translation as "masturbators". It's a good catch-all term IMO.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

I don't believe there is anything wrong with the translations. What else can a homosexual do but touch or touch each other? Besides sodomy, their ain't too much wrong with the translation as "masturbators". It's a good catch-all term IMO.

Not really, considering all heterosexuals have equal capability of masturbating whensoever they please. Masturbation bes an equal-opportunity activity. It bes not orientation-specific.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Not really, considering all heterosexuals have equal capability of masturbating whensoever they please. Masturbation bes an equal-opportunity activity. It bes not orientation-specific.

Masturbation is a sin.

 

[anonymous1515]

Not really, considering all heterosexuals have equal capability of masturbating whensoever they please. Masturbation bes an equal-opportunity activity. It bes not orientation-specific.

good point

 

[tulc]

Masturbation is a sin.

Well, remember what Woody Allen said.

"Don't knock masturbation, it's sex with somone I love."
-Woody Allen

tulc(bad tulc! no doughnut!)

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Masturbation is a sin.

Got Biblical evidence to prove that? And don't go quoting the case of Onan either -- his sin bes that he wasted his seed when he bes supposed to inseminate. Meaning he pulled out early & spilled. NOT the same thing.

Bes you not havesy said you works in them medical field as somesuch? Nurse or something? Bes that not an eminently unprofessional, uneducated, and unscientific view to take?

Little children and even babies touch. Bes you suggesting they sin when they do it?

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

tulc you rock.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Where in God's Word is it said to do? Sexual activity is for pleasuring our mate. Wives pleasyre husbands and husbands pleasure wives. We do not pleasure ourselves. That is a short circuit, and is fornicating.

 

[davedjy]

I don't believe there is anything wrong with the translations. What else can a homosexual do but touch or touch each other? Besides sodomy, their ain't too much wrong with the translation as "masturbators". It's a good catch-all term IMO.

You are skirting the point. Masturbation and homosexuality are two completely different things, they aren't even CLOSE in consistency in translation!

Btw, if that translation actually did mean masturbators, that would keep approximately 99%+ of all males "out of the Kingdom".

Why one would defend proven inconsistencies in translation is beyond me...

 

[Floatingaxe]

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You are skirting the point. Masturbation and homosexuality are two completely different things, they aren't even CLOSE in consistency in translation!

Btw, if that translation actually did mean masturbators, that would keep approximately 99%+ of all males "out of the Kingdom".

Why one would defend proven inconsistencies in translation is beyond me...

I don't believe there are inconsistencies. You do. You love it, too, so you can fabricate away all you want and have your cake and eat it too.

Well, God has a different idea about that. He says homosexuals will not ever enter the Kingdom. I buy it. I trust God and His merry band of translators way over homosexuals who want to strip His word down so that it can mean anything they wish. Foolish.

 

[anonymous1515]

Where in God's Word is it said to do? Sexual activity is for pleasuring our mate. Wives pleasyre husbands and husbands pleasure wives. We do not pleasure ourselves. That is a short circuit, and is fornicating.

Here is the problem: you are assuming.
Misinterpretation is worse than no interpretation at all.

You are assuming that because it doesn't say that homosexuality is condoned, it is therefore banned.

You might then say "well, Jesus said that a woman's desire should be to her husband..."

Well, if you want to take that route, how about this (i have used this argument in other posts, so forgive me if I am repeating myself). If I said "hunters kill deer," does that mean that hunters ONLY kill deer? No, it means that hunters kill deer, along with rabbits, moose, ducks, and pheasants. Some kill only deer, and some kill all of the above. Some kill a combination.

The point is that, Jesus never explicitly said "a man may ONLY be with a woman." To assert that he did is assuming.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Here is the problem: you are assuming.
Misinterpretation is worse than no interpretation at all.

You are assuming that because it doesn't say that homosexuality is condoned, it is therefore banned.

You might then say "well, Jesus said that a woman's desire should be to her husband..."

Well, if you want to take that route, how about this (i have used this argument in other posts, so forgive me if I am repeating myself). If I said "hunters kill deer," does that mean that hunters ONLY kill deer? No, it means that hunters kill deer, along with rabbits, moose, ducks, and pheasants. Some kill only deer, and some kill all of the above. Some kill a combination.

The point is that, Jesus never explicitly said "a man may ONLY be with a woman." To assert that he did is assuming.

What a lame argument! Sorry, but it's funny! A male thought that one up, surely! (Maybe his name was Shirley! )

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Where in God's Word is it said to do? Sexual activity is for pleasuring our mate. Wives pleasyre husbands and husbands pleasure wives. We do not pleasure ourselves. That is a short circuit, and is fornicating.

You contend masturbation bes a sin. Show from the word of God your contention, else it has no basis. Your mind rationalizing your own beliefs does not prove anything. Show it from Scripture.

Don't tell us you bes one whats thinksy sexual intercourse should never be done unless you intend to make a baby??? Woah walkin' talkin' stereotypes!