(TRIGGER WARNING)---confused

[Tenken07]

Hi all, me again.

Im still having some trouble keeping the faith with these demons here.
Im still having those episodes where the demons attack and I get incredibly panicky, to the point where nothing makes sense and I feel like im going to the Lake of Fire to burn for eternity.

I dont know what im doing wrong. Today at dinner my mom was saying I should take the plastic off my Mp3 player, and for some reason, I just got so angry and didnt want to hear it from her. I dont know why I got angry so easily and as far as I could tell I didnt do anything wrong, but the demons are having an easier time attacking me and keep trying to make me fall away.

Lets see... oh yea. how do you know your prayers are heard? I dont know if any of my prayers are heard anymore. I really wish I had a close christian friend to fellowship with that I could take to in person.

I just feel really screwed up and nothing seems to make sense anymore. I tend to pray for things like.... God please bring me back to you, God prevent the demons from preventing me from reading my bible, God help my unbelief, God show me my sin.


Is it sin that gives these demons a stronger hold over me? they seem to be able to get a stronger foothold over me just by trying to, I dont even do what the demons want at first, but it eventually gets so strong I lose all willpower and do what they want. its mainly to do things like spend money and buy candy, but the demons also keep making me look at porn. I know it probably sounds likes its just me wanting these things... as I know it sounds, which is why I havent told many people that part, because im afraid they will think that I deep down inside want to look at the pornography. I hate porn! with a passion when I first got saved, I went 10 months without having a single sexual urge or desire, and whenever an urge DID come up, I always felt something block it from getting to me. then one day that protection was taken away in an instant and I ended up looking at porn.

These urges though, feel like a form of control. it always feels like something is forcing me to do these things, its not really an "urge" or "desire".

I also always feel like im drifting away from God which is why I pray for god to bring me back to him. I feel like im drifting away cuz the demons are getting a stronger hold over me, and im also decieved. Ill think one thing trying to go with whats right, then when I look in the bible I find out I was wrong. I was thinking about lending to someone who asks. Basically I was saying I shouldnt give to people who just go and take things from you without asking (everyone did this to me when growing up and I hated it so ive always been bad with sharing) and the bible says to give to the one who asks and do not take back what was taken from you.


I do notice that EVERY time I start doing something wrong or that might be wrong, I tend to stop doing it soon for whatever reason. Is that God bringing me back to him? Man I wish my grandfather was still alive. He was a christian who obeyed God. If he were here I could fellowship with him about things like this. at the moment I have noone to fellowship with in person. well, maybe I could take to my pastor about this.... my last pastor I didnt find to be too helpful when I doubted my salvation. I would ask how I knew I was still saved, and he would say"did you ask Jesus to come into your heart and that once you are saved you are always saved. well, I still had a hard time believing I was saved and the second time, he didnt try to help me, he just said "are you still taking your meds" I would say yes then he wouldnt really have an answer.


Maybe if you guys prayed for me your prayers would be answered? I cant tell if mine get heard anymore because they are hardly ever answered. I often think things like "How could some unholy child with demons EVER come before God." and "How could some unholy kid EVER be saved, why would God want someone like that."

Im getting really confused and dont wanna go back to the way I was before I got saved. I honestly thought my soul belonged to the devil before and these demons were trying to use me to have sex with some girl they liked. I saw a vision of the demons controlling me and I was raping the girl. funny thing is, she had the same vision at the same time I had it. she told me she was screaming and crying to try and resist the vision.

What do I do? I feel like im fighting a war with no back up and losing what sanity I have left day by day.

 

[Koontzy]

Hi all, me again.

Im still having some trouble keeping the faith with these demons here.
Im still having those episodes where the demons attack and I get incredibly panicky, to the point where nothing makes sense and I feel like im going to the Lake of Fire to burn for eternity.

I dont know what im doing wrong. Today at dinner my mom was saying I should take the plastic off my Mp3 player, and for some reason, I just got so angry and didnt want to hear it from her. I dont know why I got angry so easily and as far as I could tell I didnt do anything wrong, but the demons are having an easier time attacking me and keep trying to make me fall away.

Lets see... oh yea. how do you know your prayers are heard? I dont know if any of my prayers are heard anymore. I really wish I had a close christian friend to fellowship with that I could take to in person.

I just feel really screwed up and nothing seems to make sense anymore. I tend to pray for things like.... God please bring me back to you, God prevent the demons from preventing me from reading my bible, God help my unbelief, God show me my sin.


Is it sin that gives these demons a stronger hold over me? they seem to be able to get a stronger foothold over me just by trying to, I dont even do what the demons want at first, but it eventually gets so strong I lose all willpower and do what they want. its mainly to do things like spend money and buy candy, but the demons also keep making me look at porn. I know it probably sounds likes its just me wanting these things... as I know it sounds, which is why I havent told many people that part, because im afraid they will think that I deep down inside want to look at the pornography. I hate porn! with a passion when I first got saved, I went 10 months without having a single sexual urge or desire, and whenever an urge DID come up, I always felt something block it from getting to me. then one day that protection was taken away in an instant and I ended up looking at porn.

These urges though, feel like a form of control. it always feels like something is forcing me to do these things, its not really an "urge" or "desire".

I also always feel like im drifting away from God which is why I pray for god to bring me back to him. I feel like im drifting away cuz the demons are getting a stronger hold over me, and im also decieved. Ill think one thing trying to go with whats right, then when I look in the bible I find out I was wrong. I was thinking about lending to someone who asks. Basically I was saying I shouldnt give to people who just go and take things from you without asking (everyone did this to me when growing up and I hated it so ive always been bad with sharing) and the bible says to give to the one who asks and do not take back what was taken from you.


I do notice that EVERY time I start doing something wrong or that might be wrong, I tend to stop doing it soon for whatever reason. Is that God bringing me back to him? Man I wish my grandfather was still alive. He was a christian who obeyed God. If he were here I could fellowship with him about things like this. at the moment I have noone to fellowship with in person. well, maybe I could take to my pastor about this.... my last pastor I didnt find to be too helpful when I doubted my salvation. I would ask how I knew I was still saved, and he would say"did you ask Jesus to come into your heart and that once you are saved you are always saved. well, I still had a hard time believing I was saved and the second time, he didnt try to help me, he just said "are you still taking your meds" I would say yes then he wouldnt really have an answer.


Maybe if you guys prayed for me your prayers would be answered? I cant tell if mine get heard anymore because they are hardly ever answered. I often think things like "How could some unholy child with demons EVER come before God." and "How could some unholy kid EVER be saved, why would God want someone like that."

Im getting really confused and dont wanna go back to the way I was before I got saved. I honestly thought my soul belonged to the devil before and these demons were trying to use me to have sex with some girl they liked. I saw a vision of the demons controlling me and I was raping the girl. funny thing is, she had the same vision at the same time I had it. she told me she was screaming and crying to try and resist the vision.

What do I do? I feel like im fighting a war with no back up and losing what sanity I have left day by day.

If your truely a child of God, your prayers will be heard, I am a baptist, but I dont believe that a little sinners prayer will save you... You have to trust in Jesus fully, believe he died for you and rose.... I mean fully....

Demons attack all of us, some of us are weaker than others, but if your a child of God, through Christ you have power over them.... It could be a sin of yours that is allowing them to have some kind of leeway against you, but getting mad over plastic is something I doubt related to a sin, could be you were just aggravated at something else.... I see you mentioned money and candy.... both are Greedy things to want, depending on what you want them for.... We all know how God feels about Greed and Covetness.

You need to get into your bible, and into a church, and talk to a pastor... the less you are in the bible, the farther away you will be from God. Make sure you pray right, pray for Gods Help, if your a child of his he will answer...

But always remember Jobs story, God allowed Satan and his demons to attack Job fully, up to being able to make Job wish he wasnt born... when I am attacked I read Jobs story. God could be letting some of this happen for good... God always has a plan. remember that.

All of us are fighting a war against Satan, whether we want to admit it or not.... But I would definatley check your salvation first...

the Bible says: 2Co 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

make sure to test yourself... How can you tell if your a child of God? the same way we can.
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

James also gives us a detail that I like to use when talking ot people...

Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

Our faith is shown by our works... what works have yo been doing? what fruits are ye showing?

Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Here I use this one alot... without showing works, faith is dead.... can someone with faith have bad works? no, but someone with faith you shall show works...

My concern when I talk to someone such as urself, it definatley starts with whether you truely accepted God and his grace...

I cannot tell you whether you did get saved, or Judge you based on ur works because I dont know you... so test yourself...


Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

God Bless

 

[Tenken07]

Hmmmm..... ok. Lets see..... Everyone says im one nice guy. I do try to find whether or not something is a sin. and I always come around and stop doing something sinful.... I repent. and I know everything in the bible is true and I believe in Jesus and that he died on the cross and bore my sin.

I do sin though, but I dont believe my life is characterized or revolves around sin. I believe ive had visions from God before. One time I was so panicky and I believed God didnt love me and I was screaming it out, then I saw a vision of two men in white and gold robes. one was bigger and was on the left of the smaller. This vision was perfectly clear unlike the counterfeit visions the demons give me. There was no darkness in either of these two. I couldnt see their heads though. I thought the vision was God and Jesus appearing to me and to prove that God does love me. hmmm....

 

[Silver-winged Flyer]

If you believe Jesus died for you and rose again then you are always saved, you can never lose your salvation.

God always listens to your prayers, He might not always answer them the way we want to but He always listens.

 

[Koontzy]

Hmmmm..... ok. Lets see..... Everyone says im one nice guy. I do try to find whether or not something is a sin. and I always come around and stop doing something sinful.... I repent. and I know everything in the bible is true and I believe in Jesus and that he died on the cross and bore my sin.

I do sin though, but I dont believe my life is characterized or revolves around sin. I believe ive had visions from God before. One time I was so panicky and I believed God didnt love me and I was screaming it out, then I saw a vision of two men in white and gold robes. one was bigger and was on the left of the smaller. This vision was perfectly clear unlike the counterfeit visions the demons give me. There was no darkness in either of these two. I couldnt see their heads though. I thought the vision was God and Jesus appearing to me and to prove that God does love me. hmmm....

I myself dont go off of visions that people have seen... Joseph Smith saw visions of an angel named moroni that gave him the Book of Mormon... I am not saying that you didnt see something, but its still possible it wasnt who you think it was... Regardless of things, Satan and his demons have powers and it could have been them.... How many people in the bible saw Jesus and God in a vision like yours? Not to many, and most that did were alot closer to the Lord then me and you are..

Everyone sins....Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;


I sin occasionaly.... I didnt ask if you were a nice person, or if people think you are, or if you repent everytime you sin... What works are you showing?
1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

Do you follow some of the things that God gives us in the bible? Do you fast? Do you do the works of the Lord? do you witness? soulwin? ect...... Even unsaved people can be nice..... always test yourself brother....

If you believe Jesus died for you and rose again then you are always saved, you can never lose your salvation.

God always listens to your prayers, He might not always answer them the way we want to but He always listens.

I am careful when I tell people this because Jesus says
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
and Jesus goes on to say
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

so lways test yourself......

 

[sageoffools]

Hi all, me again.
I often think things like "How could some unholy child with demons EVER come before God." and "How could some unholy kid EVER be saved, why would God want someone like that."

Hey Tenken, welcome back. One bit of reassurance, these are exactly the kind of people that God wants.
Mark 2:17 "When Jesus heard [it], he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."
Jesus came specifically for the down in the dirt, gutter crawling sinners. It is because everyone must come to that place in order to be saved. If a person thinks that they are pretty good, they will not find it necessary to need a Saviour, it is only when they come to realize that they are wretched and worthless that they have a true realization of their need. So don't despair about feeling unholy, you are just who Jesus came for.

In regard to your other questions, I have given you a rather lengthy explanation in your previous post, so I will not repeat myself, other than to say that you are feeling exactly what the Devil wants you to feel. He doesn't want you to think that you are saved, because then you would be effective for Christ. His 2 main goals are to: 1. Make people that are not saved think that they are and 2. Make people that truly are saved think that they are not, so that they are paralyzed from serving God.
I'm praying for you!

SOF

 

[Tenken07]

I myself dont go off of visions that people have seen... Joseph Smith saw visions of an angel named moroni that gave him the Book of Mormon... I am not saying that you didnt see something, but its still possible it wasnt who you think it was... Regardless of things, Satan and his demons have powers and it could have been them.... How many people in the bible saw Jesus and God in a vision like yours? Not to many, and most that did were alot closer to the Lord then me and you are..

Everyone sins....Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;


I sin occasionaly.... I didnt ask if you were a nice person, or if people think you are, or if you repent everytime you sin... What works are you showing?
1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

Do you follow some of the things that God gives us in the bible? Do you fast? Do you do the works of the Lord? do you witness? soulwin? ect...... Even unsaved people can be nice..... always test yourself brother....

So...... then what were the visions of the lord like? how could you tell if one was from Satan or from God?

 

[farleyvaughan]

i dont think its very helpful to focus too much on them, if it was from God then i would imagine he would help you understand the meaning of it. Also you can make out if its from God or not from what its trying to tell you, if its telling you somthing that conflicts with the Bible.

Hope that helps you mate.

 

[Tenken07]

Ok so can someone give me some examples of works that righteous people do? I know I should know this but I cant remember or think of anything. My mind sure sucks big time.

 

[Tenken07]

How would you know if youve commited the unforgivable sin, or done whats mentioned in Hebrews: 6; 4-8

 

[farleyvaughan]

How would you know if youve commited the unforgivable sin, or done whats mentioned in Hebrews: 6; 4-8

what mentioned in Hebrews 6:4-8 is talking about when a christain totally turns their back on God and "washes their hands of him", they CHOOSE to reject him and not follow him. From what youve said this isnt you, everyone sins, Jesus didnt say that once your a christain you wouldnt sin, he said he will forgive it and help you not to commit it any longer.

 

[farleyvaughan]

Ok so can someone give me some examples of works that righteous people do? I know I should know this but I cant remember or think of anything. My mind sure sucks big time.

the fruits of the spirit, love joy peace patience kindness, goodness, faith, gentleness and self control, these are what the holy spirit will give you once you become a follower of jesus and stive to live more lke him, of course we will fail but its not by our works but by what the lord has done for us. Righteous people, help charities, put other before themselves ect ect ect, the vital thing to remember is that its nothing that we do that jesus will alows us into heaven or forguve us for its all through him paying the penalty for our wrong doing by dting on the cross for us.

 

[Tenken07]

I see. this helps. I just wish these attacks would stop. then I might be able to clear my head. x_x

 

[Jeff1]

Hi all, me again.

Im still having some trouble keeping the faith with these demons here.
Im still having those episodes where the demons attack and I get incredibly panicky, to the point where nothing makes sense and I feel like im going to the Lake of Fire to burn for eternity.

I dont know what im doing wrong. Today at dinner my mom was saying I should take the plastic off my Mp3 player, and for some reason, I just got so angry and didnt want to hear it from her. I dont know why I got angry so easily and as far as I could tell I didnt do anything wrong, but the demons are having an easier time attacking me and keep trying to make me fall away.

Lets see... oh yea. how do you know your prayers are heard? I dont know if any of my prayers are heard anymore. I really wish I had a close christian friend to fellowship with that I could take to in person.

I just feel really screwed up and nothing seems to make sense anymore. I tend to pray for things like.... God please bring me back to you, God prevent the demons from preventing me from reading my bible, God help my unbelief, God show me my sin.


Is it sin that gives these demons a stronger hold over me? they seem to be able to get a stronger foothold over me just by trying to, I dont even do what the demons want at first, but it eventually gets so strong I lose all willpower and do what they want. its mainly to do things like spend money and buy candy, but the demons also keep making me look at porn. I know it probably sounds likes its just me wanting these things... as I know it sounds, which is why I havent told many people that part, because im afraid they will think that I deep down inside want to look at the pornography. I hate porn! with a passion when I first got saved, I went 10 months without having a single sexual urge or desire, and whenever an urge DID come up, I always felt something block it from getting to me. then one day that protection was taken away in an instant and I ended up looking at porn.

These urges though, feel like a form of control. it always feels like something is forcing me to do these things, its not really an "urge" or "desire".

I also always feel like im drifting away from God which is why I pray for god to bring me back to him. I feel like im drifting away cuz the demons are getting a stronger hold over me, and im also decieved. Ill think one thing trying to go with whats right, then when I look in the bible I find out I was wrong. I was thinking about lending to someone who asks. Basically I was saying I shouldnt give to people who just go and take things from you without asking (everyone did this to me when growing up and I hated it so ive always been bad with sharing) and the bible says to give to the one who asks and do not take back what was taken from you.


I do notice that EVERY time I start doing something wrong or that might be wrong, I tend to stop doing it soon for whatever reason. Is that God bringing me back to him? Man I wish my grandfather was still alive. He was a christian who obeyed God. If he were here I could fellowship with him about things like this. at the moment I have noone to fellowship with in person. well, maybe I could take to my pastor about this.... my last pastor I didnt find to be too helpful when I doubted my salvation. I would ask how I knew I was still saved, and he would say"did you ask Jesus to come into your heart and that once you are saved you are always saved. well, I still had a hard time believing I was saved and the second time, he didnt try to help me, he just said "are you still taking your meds" I would say yes then he wouldnt really have an answer.


Maybe if you guys prayed for me your prayers would be answered? I cant tell if mine get heard anymore because they are hardly ever answered. I often think things like "How could some unholy child with demons EVER come before God." and "How could some unholy kid EVER be saved, why would God want someone like that."

Im getting really confused and dont wanna go back to the way I was before I got saved. I honestly thought my soul belonged to the devil before and these demons were trying to use me to have sex with some girl they liked. I saw a vision of the demons controlling me and I was raping the girl. funny thing is, she had the same vision at the same time I had it. she told me she was screaming and crying to try and resist the vision.

What do I do? I feel like im fighting a war with no back up and losing what sanity I have left day by day.

Don't lose faith. God loves you and want's to take you back. Satan and his demons want to pull you away. FIGHT with every fibre of your being. If you truly want it, God will save you. These demons want you to feel cut off and make you think you're insane.
I'll pray for you, but it might be better if I knew your name. PM me if you're comfortable telling me.

Read your Bible every chance you get. Muster up all your will and refuse these demon's tauntings. Don't let them decieve you.

LISTEN: YOU WILL WIN THIS FIGHT IF YOU HAVE FAITH IN CHRIST AND IN YOURSELF

 

[farleyvaughan]

I see. this helps. I just wish these attacks would stop. then I might be able to clear my head. x_x

focus on the Lord, he is able and willing, keep praying, he has plans for you.

 

[aiki]

Tenken:

What's the Bible say about the power demons may or may not have over you?

What's the Bible say about the kind of mind God has given you as His child?

What's the Bible say about how to battle temptation and how to fight spiritually?

Do you believe what the Bible says?

Peace to you.

 

[Koontzy]

what mentioned in Hebrews 6:4-8 is talking about when a christain totally turns their back on God and "washes their hands of him", they CHOOSE to reject him and not follow him. From what youve said this isnt you, everyone sins, Jesus didnt say that once your a christain you wouldnt sin, he said he will forgive it and help you not to commit it any longer.

I would have to disagree with this at least in my view of it...... there are alot of differant views on this unpardonable sin and what it is.... Atheist chose to reject God and not follow him, but they can still be saved....

IMO and what I have learned from studying the bible is that the Unpardonable sin is Believing that Jesus did his miracles by the power of Satan...
which of course is false...

 

[Jeff1]

The Bible says that demons cannot overcome the believer with true faith and will. Never doubt God. God has given us the power to battle Satan's legions. Be sure not to focus on the fact that you have this power, but rather on the one who gives you this power, Jesus Christ. The moment you think you can go at it alone is when the demon's gain their power over you.

As a child of God, you have been given a peaceful mind. This doesn't mean that everything goes right. God's peace is far more. Sorrows will come your way, but you will always be able to come out of it.

Battling temptation and fighting demons is impossible without Jesus's help. The name of Christ used by a true believer is the most powerful weapon in your arsenal. You need prayer. Not only by you, but by your friends. As promised, I'm praying for you, and so should anyone who reads this thread. Ask your friends, and your church as well. Don't give in to their attacks. Fight with all your will. Read the Bible daily, and pray as much as you can. Have faith, and you will defeat these demons.

I believe every word the Bible says. Saying that some parts of the Bible are untrue is calling God a liar. I believe in a 6000 year old earth, and a literal 6-day creation. If you can't trust one part, you can't trust any of it. The Bible is the word of God, and God doesn't lie.

If you are unsure of anything. Please PM me. I will use everything at my disposal to help you. If you have questions, I'll do my absolute best to help you.

May God's peace flow from your heart. God be with you throughout these trials. Our hearts and prayers are with you. We all love you in Christian brotherhood.

 

[farleyvaughan]

i dont beleive that Jesus cant forgive a certain sin one over another, "for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God", we have all messed up and continue to do so, one sin is just as bad as another in Gods eyes, maybe not humans eyes but in Gods its still falling short of the mark. Jesus will forgive you and help you to live closer to him day by day if you stay close to him.

 

[Koontzy]

i dont beleive that Jesus cant forgive a certain sin one over another, "for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God", we have all messed up and continue to do so, one sin is just as bad as another in Gods eyes, maybe not humans eyes but in Gods its still falling short of the mark. Jesus will forgive you and help you to live closer to him day by day if you stay close to him.

Its not that he doesnt forgive one over another... I think you are refering to the unpardonable sin? It is unpardonable....

Jesus says so.....
Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

Luke 12:10 says, "And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven."

God cant lie

and speaking of this sin... heres some better info on how I view it..

(http://www.allaboutgod.com/unpardonable-sin.htm)
The unpardonable sin is sometimes called the "unforgivable sin" or "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit." Let's begin by defining the word "blasphemy." It can be defined as "defiant irreverence" and would constitute cursing God or degrading Him. It could also mean relating evil to God.

Matthew 12:31-32 is referencing Jesus performing miracles in the power of the Holy Spirit. Through these miracles, it is very clear that Jesus is the promised Messiah. In this passage, the Pharisees claimed that Jesus was empowered by a demon named Beelzebub (Matthew 12:24). They were connecting Jesus and the Holy Spirit's power to Hell, not heaven. Jesus was saying this was the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit - it was unpardonable. They had rejected Him.
(http://www.allaboutgod.com/unpardonable-sin.htm)