The Biblical reason Creationism must be kept out of schools.

[WhoIstheWordOfTheLord]

First Paul commands us to stay away from such arguments:

1Ti 6:20-21 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

Secondly, Paul says that we understand the Creation of the Worlds by Faith:

Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Thirdly, but most importantly, Preachers are sent to preach the Word of God:

Rom 10:14-15 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

So no christian should ever support, the Word of God in Genesis being taught in government (public) schools by "untrained, unappointed, not annointed and not sent -- teachers in schools.

To want teachers who are not sent to Preach, to be handling the Word of God in schools, is unbiblical.

 

[BeforeTheFoundation]

I can't believe that I am doing this because I am by no means a creationist but...

and oppositions of science falsely so called

Firstly, the word gnoseos which is translated as "science" is better translated as "knowledge" and is so in both the NRSV and the ESV and refers to false doctrine (which incidentally, Creationists incorrectly think that Evolution is a doctrine and as such are actually keeping with this commandment, at least from their point of view).

Furthermore, even if it is referring to science, it is saying to stay away from false science, which again, Creationists believe that Evolution is a false science and therefore are keeping in line with this verse.

Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

All this means is that the world was created out of nothing or ex nihilo with which both creationists and theistic evolutionists can agree.

To want teachers who are not sent to Preach, to be handling the Word of God in schools, is unbiblical.

By this logic, isn't what we are doing right now unbiblical because I would wager that most of the people on this forum are untrained. I myself am only working on my undergraduate in Biblical Studies.

 

[busterdog]

First Paul commands us to stay away from such arguments:

1Ti 6:20-21 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

Secondly, Paul says that we understand the Creation of the Worlds by Faith:

Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Thirdly, but most importantly, Preachers are sent to preach the Word of God:

Rom 10:14-15 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

So no christian should ever support, the Word of God in Genesis being taught in government (public) schools by "untrained, unappointed, not annointed and not sent -- teachers in schools.

To want teachers who are not sent to Preach, to be handling the Word of God in schools, is unbiblical.

Tough issue. Yes, it is mangled everyday, even in Sunday school.

But, I am in favor of having the Word go out by any means possible:

Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper [in the thing] whereto I sent it.

(SImilarly, adultery is also a very destructive error, but we hope that our kids will learn by any means to avoid it.)

 

[Mallon]

Even my very conservative ex-pastor expressed the opinion that church and state should be kept separate, given their different roles as explained in the Bible. As he put it to me in an email:

The role of the church is in Matthew 28:19-20
The role of the government (state) is in Romans 13:1-7 (especially verse 4).
The role of the church is to preach the gospel.
The role of the government (state) is to keep civil order and suppress evil.

Really, for those advocating that such religious propositions as creationism be taught in the science classroom, I wonder whether they would be so open to having, say, evolution taught in Sunday School. I imagine they would be pretty quick to shut up if they came to see this as proposition as a double-edged sword.

 

[champuru]

I can't believe that I am doing this because I am by no means a creationist but...



Firstly, the word gnoseos which is translated as "science" is better translated as "knowledge" and is so in both the NRSV and the ESV and refers to false doctrine (which incidentally, Creationists incorrectly think that Evolution is a doctrine and as such are actually keeping with this commandment, at least from their point of view).

Furthermore, even if it is referring to science, it is saying to stay away from false science, which again, Creationists believe that Evolution is a false science and therefore are keeping in line with this verse.



All this means is that the world was created out of nothing or ex nihilo with which both creationists and theistic evolutionists can agree.



By this logic, isn't what we are doing right now unbiblical because I would wager that most of the people on this forum are untrained. I myself am only working on my undergraduate in Biblical Studies.

yeah i'm not a creationist either but i noticed these flaws as well. Good try though

 

[Scotishfury09]

Tough issue. Yes, it is mangled everyday, even in Sunday school.

But, I am in favor of having the Word go out by any means possible:

Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper [in the thing] whereto I sent it.

(SImilarly, adultery is also a very destructive error, but we hope that our kids will learn by any means to avoid it.)

I'm guessing you won't be voting for Mitt Romney?

 

[Vance]

I think we can not tell a school district that they should "teach the controversy" by adding some form of ID or creationism into the schools unless they are willing to also say that they should teach ALL the controversies. Once you do that, you are having to give "equal time" to every variation out there, including geocentrism, for example.

Since 99.85% of scientists in the relevant fields believe that the creationist propositions are simply bad science (and that includes almost all of the scientists who are also Christian), then I think that is what should be taught in schools. Then, if there are folks out there who object to evolution, they can provide their children with the alternative information at home or in church.

 

[BeforeTheFoundation]

Since 99.85% of scientists in the relevant fields believe that the creationist propositions are simply bad science (and that includes almost all of the scientists who are also Christian)

Exactly.

Then, if there are folks out there who object to evolution, they can provide their children with the alternative information at home or in church.

Woah, are you actually suggesting that parents get involved in their children's education? Imagine that a parent participating in rearing their child.

 

[artybloke]

Creationism should be kept out of schools because it's nonsense, bad theology and supported by lies, distortion and bad thinking.

As well as all the other stuff about the separation of church & state.

 

[champuru]

Exactly.

Woah, are you actually suggesting that parents get involved in their children's education? Imagine that a parent participating in rearing their child.

yeah all the time and effort they use to try to get creationism in school could be used to teach their children creationism

 

[artybloke]

yeah all the time and effort they use to try to get creationism in school could be used to teach their children creationism

People who teach their children lies should have their children taken away from them.

 

[Assyrian]

Like Santaclause?

 

[champuru]

People who teach their children lies should have their children taken away from them.

people have the right to believe what they want. If they want to believe that a morbidly obese geriatric enters your house while you are unaware, and gives you gifts that he "made" but happen to have the walmart price tag; demanding a payment of cookies and milk, then believe it. If they want to believe in creationsim, thats fine as well

 

[busterdog]

I taught earth science today for homeschoolers (3rd grade).

Age of the earth:

4,000 - 1 vote
6000-6008 - 3 votes
10,000 - 2 votes
2,000 - 1 vote
a few million - 2 votes

I set them straight of course.

 

[juvenissun]

I taught earth science today for homeschoolers (3rd grade).

Age of the earth:

4,000 - 1 vote
6000-6008 - 3 votes
10,000 - 2 votes
2,000 - 1 vote
a few million - 2 votes

I set them straight of course.

Very interesting. Where do they get the young earth idea? Can you correlate their answers with their church attendance? If you have chance, you may compare the answers with those from 6th graders.

 

[Mallon]

I taught earth science today for homeschoolers (3rd grade).

Age of the earth:

4,000 - 1 vote
6000-6008 - 3 votes
10,000 - 2 votes
2,000 - 1 vote
a few million - 2 votes

I set them straight of course.

What did you tell them?

And why didn't you have an option for a few billion years?

 

[BeforeTheFoundation]

yeah all the time and effort they use to try to get creationism in school could be used to teach their children creationism

Ha Ha. yeah.

 

[champuru]

What did you tell them?

And why didn't you have an option for a few billion years?

yeah its a few billion

oh well a million is hard enough for them to comprehend, a few billion would make them pass out

 

[Mallon]

oh well a million is hard enough for them to comprehend, a few billion would make them pass out

As it would have the early Hebrews.

 

[busterdog]

What did you tell them?

And why didn't you have an option for a few billion years?

I just surveyed them before we started. I needed to know my secondary audience (the parents). It was mostly about plate techtonics and earthquakes. So, dealing with Pangea, I wanted to get my bearings, since the time frame was bound to come up.